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[Endo Punk]

I'm also a Yakuza fan, and i'd be pissed if they went with a change as drastic as this new Dante. It's not just the look, he's a different person altogether.

Just imagine if all developers were scared to create new characters and hid behind well known names, there would be no Nathan Drake, Kazuma Kiryu, Travis Touchdown, Alan Wake etc. Imagine if ND were scared to create TLOU because it doesn't have Nate in it?

DmC is surely a good game I just in all good nature cannot support it simply because it sends the wrong message. No disrespect but DmC bombing is a greater good I just hope NT gets another shot with new games. And it's not like DmC lived up to what the fans wanted, they fought the "good fight" for years only to get a game that is just another entry. Like I said before it's simply DMC Lite. No one really wins.

 

[Criminal Upper]

I don't get it either. NT gets soooo much shit for no good reason at all. It's kind of disappointing to see people wanting a company and a game to fail so badly.

While I think NT is horrible at gameplay, but their face/cutscene tech is awesome, I kinda still put the blame on Capcom. If they didn't force the DMC4 team to work on Dragon's Dogma and expansions for the rest of their careers, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

 

[Riposte]

While I think NT is horrible at gameplay, but their face/cutscene tech is awesome, I kinda still put the blame on Capcom. If they didn't force the DMC4 team to work on Dragon's Dogma and expansions for the rest of their careers, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

What a weird narrative you've made up concerning Dragon's Dogma.

 

[ezekial45]

While I think NT is horrible at gameplay, but their face/cutscene tech is awesome, I kinda still put the blame on Capcom. If they didn't force the DMC4 team to work on Dragon's Dogma and expansions for the rest of their careers, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

Considering that DD was Itsuno's dream game, and that they believed the DMC series was getting stale -- I find your claim that they were forced out of the series in favor of NT to be highly dubious.

 

[NoirVisage]

Poor Dante leaving because he realized how stupid his hairdo looks.

hahaha, I knew they will do this to make fun of the haters, a little childish.

Is that in the game really? If so, bravo NT, bravo.

i don't know if both of you realize ou're just as bad as the "haters" with that attitude.

 

[V_Arnold]

Considering that DD was Itsuno's dream game, and that they believed the DMC series was getting stale -- I find your claim that they were forced out of the series in favor of NT to be highly dubious.

I definitely do not envy the DMC fans. They have no one to blame. Kamiya is no longer involved with the games, The one who actually turned it around with 3/4 (Itsuno) abandoned it, and NT did not really turns down a dreamproject like that.

Time to shout at dem Capcom clouds, maybe?

Spoiler

Or join the Dark Side. Wii U, Bayonetta 2, you know it will rock!

 

[JonathanPower]

While I think NT is horrible at gameplay, but their face/cutscene tech is awesome, I kinda still put the blame on Capcom. If they didn't force the DMC4 team to work on Dragon's Dogma and expansions for the rest of their careers, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

Well, I am glad they did this as Dragon's Dogma is an awesome game I can play. I think that Dragon's Dogma should have got much better advertising as it's a very great game.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Play3 (German Mag) gave it 89%.

 

[Chamber]

i don't know if both of you realize ou're just as bad as the "haters" with that attitude.

 

[Dahbomb]

I definitely do not envy the DMC fans. They have no one to blame. Kamiya is no longer involved with the games, The one who actually turned it around with 3/4 (Itsuno) abandoned it, and NT did not really turns down a dreamproject like that.

Time to shout at dem Capcom clouds, maybe?

Spoiler

Or join the Dark Side. Wii U, Bayonetta 2, you know it will rock!

This is really Capcom's fault though that they not only butchered Kamiya's DMC with DMC2 but they let him go. One of the worst mistakes Capcom has ever made.

Kamiya + Itsuno on a DMC game would be a dream project.

 

[iavi]

This is really Capcom's fault though that they not only butchered Kamiya's DMC with DMC2 but they let him go. One of the worst mistakes Capcom has ever made.

Kamiya + Itsuno on a DMC game would be a dream project.

lol @ your ava. Should have cropped wig dante in there.

 

[Reiko]

This is really Capcom's fault though that they not only butchered Kamiya's DMC with DMC2 but they let him go. One of the worst mistakes Capcom has ever made.

Kamiya + Itsuno on a DMC game would be a dream project.

What a disturbing avatar...

 

[Eusis]

Considering that DD was Itsuno's dream game, and that they believed the DMC series was getting stale -- I find your claim that they were forced out of the series in favor of NT to be highly dubious.

At worst it's Itsuno dragging the rest of the DMC team to make that game he wants, but I imagine that's true to an extent on ANY game (progammers get handed a job and do it, or everyone else on your team goes to this project so you gotta go too), and they weren't the ones that created the initial DMC so in this case I imagine it's a purer attempt at giving them creative freedom from corporate. If anything Ninja Theory seems to have been hired to keep the seat warm.

And the fact they made Dragon's Dogma instead means I simply can't be angry with Ninja Theory over this, though I also only played through DMC1 and DMC3, though I recently reinstalled DMC4 so I may give that a serious shot again.

 

[Dahbomb]

I really want to be at that discussion table where Itsuno convinced Capcom to spend all their resources to make Dragon's Dogma over the next DMC game.

Really... it goes against everything that Capcom has done for the past 5 or so years. Itsuno must have some balling clout over at Capcom to be able to get something like Dragon's Dogma greenlighted with a big budget and team.

 

[iavi]

At worst it's Itsuno dragging the rest of the DMC team to make that game he wants, but I imagine that's true to an extent on ANY game (progammers get handed a job and do it, or everyone else on your team goes to this project so you gotta go too), and they weren't the ones that created the initial DMC so in this case I imagine it's a purer attempt at giving them creative freedom from corporate. If anything Ninja Theory seems to have been hired to keep the seat warm.

And the fact they made Dragon's Dogma instead means I simply can't be angry with Ninja Theory over this, though I also only played through DMC1 and DMC3, though I recently reinstalled DMC4 so I may give that a serious shot again.

I don't think so. This was a torch passing. If the flame goes out with NT, the series' flame will have gone out, and I don't see Capcom touching it again with any team for a long while.

 

[Eusis]

I really want to be at that discussion table where Itsuno convinced Capcom to spend all their resources to make Dragon's Dogma over the next DMC game.

Really... it goes against everything that Capcom has done for the past 5 or so years. Itsuno must have some balling clout over at Capcom to be able to get something like Dragon's Dogma greenlighted with a big budget and team.

You probably just point at Oblivion/Skyrim and say "I want do that but with awesome combat" to get greenlit, especially when you have a history of making games with awesome combat. Works even better when Demon's Souls and Dark Souls show a more realistically styled fantasy game from Japan can definitely do pretty well internationally.

 

[Anteater]

At worst it's Itsuno dragging the rest of the DMC team to make that game he wants, but I imagine that's true to an extent on ANY game (progammers get handed a job and do it, or everyone else on your team goes to this project so you gotta go too), and they weren't the ones that created the initial DMC so in this case I imagine it's a purer attempt at giving them creative freedom from corporate. If anything Ninja Theory seems to have been hired to keep the seat warm.

And the fact they made Dragon's Dogma instead means I simply can't be angry with Ninja Theory over this, though I also only played through DMC1 and DMC3, though I recently reinstalled DMC4 so I may give that a serious shot again.

Some people on their team were happy to be working on dragon's dogma and trying something new. They've been doing dmc games over the last many years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQf-dfkFA7I

 

[V_Arnold]

I really want to be at that discussion table where Itsuno convinced Capcom to spend all their resources to make Dragon's Dogma over the next DMC game.

Really... it goes against everything that Capcom has done for the past 5 or so years. Itsuno must have some balling clout over at Capcom to be able to get something like Dragon's Dogma greenlighted with a big budget and team.

It is quite simple, really. Capcom executives(?) / shareholders (?) must have got the idea that another pillar was needed beside Resident Evil and Monster Hunter (and maaaybe DMC, but that is really one category weaker at least when sales are concerned). And since neither Dead Rising, nor Lost Planet managed to become an AAA-title, they needed to try *something*.

I really hope that at the end of this generation, Capcom directors sit down and discuss what they have learned. The whole publisher would be in much better shape if they managed to make MT Framework more easy to use, if they really improved on their first new games instead of outsourcing them, and if they did not funnel so much manpower into one single Re6 instead of spreading that money out across all their franchises.*

*And I am not one to hate this company, as I think that both SFIV and UMVC3 were the dream projects for FGC fans, so at least on that front, they managed to come out great.

I don't think so. This was a torch passing. If the flame goes out with NT, the series' flame will have gone out, and I don't see Capcom touching it again with any team for a long while.

I have nothing to back this up with, but I really, really think that you are far too pessimistic regarding this. DMC is not going to die.
I can even imagine a scenario where looking at the - hopefully, real - success of MG:R, Capcom itself sits down with Platinum. Yeah, I know that they did not exactly leave on the best terms, but if they give Platinum DMC characters and let them do anything with it, and Capcom publishes it, it is not going to be risky (Platinum engine is efficient and still good-looking, after all), and it would rock

 

[Sora_N]

It's not just the look, he's a different person altogether.

Agreed. I don't feel much for new Dante. I don't think I will buy DmC until it's $30 or something, if I feel like it.

 

[Eusis]

Some people on their team were happy to be working on dragon's dogma and trying something new. They've been doing dmc games over the last many years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQf-dfkFA7I

Yeah, I figured even at worst a good chunk of the developers DID want to go on this. In some ways I imagine it's a reflection of the consumer's opinion: some of us were a bit tired or apathetic about DMC, but an open world game with combat closer to DMC than Elder Scrolls? That really does sound like it could be amazing, and it's not surprising the development team can feel the same way.

 

[faridmon]

The intro song is being performed by the Japanese band ONE OK ROCK, and as some on who really liked them, I think its shite.

I don't know, maybe you will like it, but Auto-tune vocals kills it because Taka has a great aggressive vocals and, because they have been working with an american producer, they have resorted to this crap technique. Hate it>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcBBNB5JTOQ

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Play3 (German Mag) gave it 89%.

That's certainly in-line with what it's been getting so far.

 

[scorpscarx]

Agreed. I don't feel much for new Dante. I don't think I will buy DmC until it's $30 or something, if I feel like it.

Who doesn't already do this with all games except maybe one a year?

I've chosen to ignore all the hate towards this game and I'm really looking forward to it, at sub-$20.

 

[iavi]

The intro song is being performed by the Japanese band ONE OK ROCK, and as some on who really liked them, I think its shite.

I don't know, maybe you will like it, but Auto-tune vocals kills it because Taka has a great aggressive vocals and, because they have been working with an american producer, they have resorted to this crap technique. Hate it>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcBBNB5JTOQ

I love it. It's like One Ok Rock with a bit of Deftones at moments.

Now, I'm wondering what kind of OP vid they'll have to match this thing.

 

[faridmon]

I love it. It's like One Ok Rock with a bit of Deftones at moments.

Now, I'm wondering what kind of OP vid they'll have to match this thing.

Well different strokes for different people, I guess.

They haven't been good since Syndrome Niche, IMO, and the last two singles is just too Emo for me.

 

[sleepykyo]

I really want to be at that discussion table where Itsuno convinced Capcom to spend all their resources to make Dragon's Dogma over the next DMC game.

Really... it goes against everything that Capcom has done for the past 5 or so years. Itsuno must have some balling clout over at Capcom to be able to get something like Dragon's Dogma greenlighted with a big budget and team.

How so? This happened when Capcom was switching from the failed westerners give Capcom new franchises/revitalize old ones (Dark Void, Bionic Commando) and the internally made LP flopping, to internal staff on new franchises and westerners on current franchises. Thus giving the public ORC, DmC and Lost Planet 3.

Or this in reference to Itsuno being able to get as much staff as he did without a test game first (Bionic Commando Rearmed/SF Hyper Fighting)?

 

[Chamber]

I don't think so. This was a torch passing. If the flame goes out with NT, the series' flame will have gone out, and I don't see Capcom touching it again with any team for a long while.

Shenanigans. Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter are Capcom's pillar franchises. I don't see the series going anywhere.

 

[sleepykyo]

Shenanigans. Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter are Capcom's pillar franchises. I don't see the series going anywhere.

One of these is not like the other. This is a torch passing.

 

[Chamber]

Didn't say anything about a torch passing. I'm talking about the continued existence of the series.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Didn't say anything about a torch passing. I'm talking about the continued existence of the series.

Yeah, and how many years between SF3 and SF4 passed again?

 

[sleepykyo]

DMC isn't nearly as much of pillar as Dino Crisis and SF were. And in that the former is dead beyond salvation and the latter went into pretty protracted slumber between CvS2 and SF4, unless you really want to count the Anniversary collection and the digital ports.

 

[Eusis]

I find it hard to imagine it wasn't more of a pillar than Dino Crisis, that's a game that effectively had two entries, with the third being some Xbox offshoot no one liked versus a major PS2(/Xbox/GC) title. DMC at least had 3 worth caring about and 4 total, and this fifth game certainly seems to be causing more controversy than DC3 did (though that may be a result of internet groups growing over time and which ones I was actually watching at the time).

SF though, not argument there, anyone that'd say otherwise is insane.

 

[SlasherJPC]

DMC isn't nearly as much of pillar as Dino Crisis and SF were. And in that the former is dead beyond salvation and the latter went into pretty protracted slumber between CvS2 and SF4, unless you really want to count the Anniversary collection and the digital ports.

To be fair... Dino Crisis had three very different games. Streetfighter just had an oversaturation for the longest time. For me it was quite refreshing for a break. Yet the SF series still persists to this day so it's not dead. As for DC... well 3 ruined it. WTF is written all over that game.

 

[GuardianE]

DMC isn't nearly as much of pillar as Dino Crisis and SF were.

I have no clue how you came to this conclusion.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

And don't even talk about Mega Man. From mascot of the company to local whipping boy in the span of a few years. Best the dude could hope for on his anniversary year was a fuckin' fan game.

 

[sleepykyo]

Fine, I was mistaken on Dino Crisis and didn't see how much it dropped off with 2 on the platinum titles. Looking over the platinum titles does DMC really seem to be the same league as the others?

 

[Dahbomb]

LOL @ Dino Crisis.

It is actually a few million seller series but it's in a coma right now. The entire series has sold 4.4 million.

DMC is in Capcom's top 5 franchises after SF, MH, RE and MM. Although as far as per title sales are concerned, DMC is WAY higher than MM.

If Dead Rising had consistent sales and more games then it would be about on par with DMC. DR2 actually sold almost as much as DMC4.

 

[GuardianE]

Fine, I was mistaken on Dino Crisis and didn't see how much it dropped off with 2 on the platinum titles. Looking over the platinum titles does DMC really seem to be the same league as the others?

Look at the lifetime sales of Capcom franchises. DMC has always been in the top 5.

Total franchise unit sales as of March 31, 2009*

1. Resident Evil Series (56 titles - 40 million)
2. Mega Man Series (124 titles - 28 million)
3. Street Fighter Series (62 titles - 27 million)
4. Devil May Cry Series (11 titles - 10 million)
5. Monster Hunter Series (11 titles - 8.5 million)
6. Onimusha Series (12 titles - 7.8 millioin)
7. Dino Crisis Series (13 titles - 4.4 million)
8. Ghosts'n Goblins Series (16 titles - 4.4 milion)
9. Ace Attorney Series (12 titles - 3.2 million)
10. Final Fight (10 titles - 3.2 million)
11. Breath of Fire Series (15 titles - 3 million)
12. Lost Planet Series (7 titles - 2.7 million)
13. 1942 Series (3 titles - 1.2 million)
14. Commando Series (2 titles - 1.2 million)
15. Sengoku BASARA Series (10 titles - 1.2 million)

 

[schwabdizzle]

Asl long as it doesn't pull the bullshit that DMC 4 pulled, then I might get it. DMC 4 was a piece of shit.

 

[Dahbomb]

Wow DMC is above MH. That's interesting.

That list just shows that Onimusha deserves another chance. What a travesty it missed out on an entire console generation.

Edit: That list is 4 years old but still relevant I guess. I would venture a guess and say MH is way higher now.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

They've updated their million seller and total franchise sales page as of 9/30/12 but total franchise isn't in order.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html

edit:

1) Resident Evil, 55 mill
2) Street Fighter, 33 mill
3) Mega Man, 29 mill
4) Monster Hunter, 21 mill
5) Devil May Cry, 11 mill
6) Onimusha, 7.9 mill
7) Dead Rising, 5.3 mill
8) Lost Planet, 4.8 mill
9) Dino Crisis, 4.4 mill
10) Ace Attorney, 4.3 mill
11) Ghosts'n Goblins, 4.1 mill
12) Sengoku Basara, 3.2 mill
13) Final Fight, 3.2 mill
14) Breath of Fire, 3 mill
15) 1942, 1.2 mill
16) Commando, 1.2 mill

 

[Chamber]

Yeah, and how many years between SF3 and SF4 passed again?

Street Fighter and Mega Man got watered down over the years by releasing so many titles in a short time span. That's why I think the idea of DMC and DmC running parallel is so silly. Just pick one and commit to quality.

 

[JustAnotherOtaku]

Well that's you. If i were a fan of Yakuza games i would be pretty annoyed if they turned the MC from a badass Yakuza to some snot nosed high school kid who looks like Gakt. Especially when it doesn't improve on the character in any way shape or form, but actually makes it worse. I would wonder why they just didn't create a new IP to put him in.

They did, but they released the games on PSP and the second one was better than some of the mainline entries in the series.

 

[Curufinwe]

Asl long as it doesn't pull the bullshit that DMC 4 pulled, then I might get it. DMC 4 was a piece of shit.

Well this one doesn't have a extremely tight and refined combat system running at 60 fps, so it might be more of what you're looking for.

 

[Andrew.]

Really liked the demo and as a fan of NT's facial tech, I will most definitley be buying this. The music was pretty good too while you're learning the fighting basics. I don't mind the younger, angrier, My Chemical Romance Dante one bit. My hair is actually very similar to mine too.

 

[sleepykyo]

Wow DMC is above MH. That's interesting.

That list just shows that Onimusha deserves another chance. What a travesty it missed out on an entire console generation.

Edit: That list is 4 years old but still relevant I guess. I would venture a guess and say MH is way higher now.

MH has 2 titles in the last half decade that that broke 3M. SF2 is Capcom's biggest single installment and SF4 vanilla broke 3M. RE accounts for half of Capcom's top ten. http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

Being 1 away from top ten sounded really good too until I looked at what the other franchises have and are doing. When Ezekiel and the NT fan mentioned that DMC4 could have been a fluke, that can't be proven or disproven. The other pillars have demonstrated they were not flukes.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Wow DMC is above MH. That's interesting.

That list just shows that Onimusha deserves another chance. What a travesty it missed out on an entire console generation.

Edit: That list is 4 years old but still relevant I guess. I would venture a guess and say MH is way higher now.

Devil May Cry was a pretty big series. Too bad it is dead now.

 

[Dahbomb]

MH has 2 titles in the last half decade that that broke 3M. SF2 is Capcom's biggest single installment and SF4 vanilla broke 3M. RE accounts for half of Capcom's top ten. http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

Being 1 away from top ten sounded really good too until I looked at what the other franchises have and are doing. When Ezekiel and the NT fan mentioned that DMC4 could have been fluke, I can't really prove or disprove that. The other pillars have demonstrated they were not flukes.

DMC4 would be a fluke if it was the only DMC to have sold over a million copies.

The entire series has sold 11 million copies and taking out the 2.7 million of DMC4 you are still left with about 8 million DMC games sold among 3 games. Getting 11 million for essentially 4 games comes to an average of over 2 million per game.

DMC4 selling more than the others had more to do with it being the first multiplatform DMC game. All the previous DMC games sold respectably at around the 2 million mark on one console.

There is no doubt that DMC is a top 5 Capcom franchise and the most important factor about the series is that it has shown consistent sales. Compared to something like Onimusha or Dino Crisis which have similar number of games released but have decreasing sales with each game roughly speaking.


You really have to wonder what it would mean if DmC sells somewhere in the 1-2 million. That would still be in line with the series average and would maintain consistently of the series.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

It would mean this was a failed experiment because the whole point in the change of direction was to break the 1-2 mill sales ceiling.

Now whether a failed experiment means "let's go back to regular DMC" or "let's take this to the backshed where we took Mega Man" is the real question.

 

[JonathanPower]

It would mean this was a failed experiment because the whole point in the change of direction was to break the 1-2 mill sales ceiling.

Now whether a failed experiment means "let's go back to regular DMC" or "let's take this to the backshed where we took Mega Man" is the real question.

Yes, I think they expect the game to sell more than DMC4, that's the whole point to try to bring the game to a broader audience.