You read into my post wrong.
Guess how many times the word "technical" is thrown in that post and not a single mention of "gameplay" is mentioned.
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You read into my post wrong.
Guess how many times the word "technical" is thrown in that post and not a single mention of "gameplay" is mentioned.
Oh of course. I don't think it's intentionally possible, though I do think we might see a completely botched first half of 2013 and a desperate attempt to remedy the situation in the latter half.
This is still an argument? The whole "class of studios" thing is ridiculous, subjective and not in any way a reason to dismiss an entry in a franchise. As has been said, LBP Vita is generally regarded as an extremely good version of LBP, and it was developed by Tarsier Studios and Double Eleven. Those studios, I assume, would be "B or C class studios" to you because they aren't as well known as the likes of Naughty Dog, Bungie, etc. Except they just made a great game in the overall franchise - their "status" matters not. If a game is good and fits well within the series it is a part of, who cares who developed it? A good game is a good game.
metalslimer
Member
Considering the drop it just had, it's pretty much impossible that it's going to maintain these sales. It's already at 20k.
You still haven't answered me. What do any of those studios have to do with Sony being reliant on 3rd parties in Japan? It doesn't matter who it is. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, etc. they are all irrelevant besides Polyphony I guess. I don't even know why you would bring up LBP Vita when that game bombed to high heaven. The top selling Vita games are Hatsune Miku and Persona 4.
Still a second tier developer, like most developed Vita games, including third party exclusives. LBP Vita heavily bombed, which backs up my original argument anyway.
electroplankton
Banned
We're going to discuss when it'll happen right? I'm not saying it won't happen, but come on, Vita situation was different, it didn't have any game in the chart from the second or third week onwards.
The similarities have been pointed out many times in this thread but the differences are more relevant in my opinion. While I agree that WiiU will have a rather weak 1st half year, it´s important to point out that WiiU already sold 2/3 of PSV lifetime sales.
-two WiiU games already outsold any PSV game, both games likely becoming millionsellers
-there is no known PSV game that has the potential to reach a million, even 500k is a stretch
-with MHTriHD three launch games soon will have outsold any released PSV game
further more promising things
-Pikmin 3 and WiiFitU are two further games that will outsell every released PSV game, even Wario Ware and W101 have a shot at outselling any PSV title
the most important differences are
-PSV launched after 3DS, while WiiU has a headstart against PS4
-Nintendo 1st party games of established franchises like Mario Kart, Smash Bros. etc.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i agree.
About Pikmin 3, there are always personal system sellers for every system, so even if it doesnt move a lot of hardware in general, at least it can be system sellers for some
For me on the Vita, Super Stardust Delta was one big factor that made my buy the system, eventhough that game probably isnt much of a system seller in general.I explain why I brought the game up in my post, why would I be referring to sales? My point was argued against the quoted post which stated that the majority of Vita games are developed by "B and C studios". That was it. What do sales have to do with it? Does amount of sales correspond directly to the quality of a game now?
metalslimer
Member
No, your original post was talking about how Sony wasn't relying on 3rd parties and proceeded to list a useless list of studios that don't make anything relevant in japan.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i think that the later half of 2013 will look better. I wonder if Nintendo will ever comment on how they planned the first half year for the WiiU.
Sure, there is no problem to point out the other views in this discussion as well
There are afterall some differences indeed, like 1st party titles that is mentioned. I just wanted to say that i think the Vita and WiiU comparison is fair right now because they share several of similar senarios. I dont think that the Vita and the WiiU will end up selling the same.No, but the arguments in this thread right now revolves around sales, not quality of games.
True.
Depends on what you consider "doomed", it certainly won´t reach Wii sales, or 360/PS3 sales for that matter.
If they pull their head out of their ass definitely not.
Because they have no idea what they are doing, Nintendos management is awful.
They´re lucky that they have no real competition in the handheld sector and that their handhelds sell well regardless of them releasing the same games over and over again.
No, the launch was not fine, it was the most awful console launch i ever encountered. I can´t think of any console that has created less launch hype and was released with a poorer lineup. Not even considering the ridiculously bad hardware .
The post you quoted to persist at me was on a completely different topic. I'm not sure what answer you want, you've already answered your own question by listing the relevant parties in Japan, whereas mine was a general list of third party studios worldwide.
lwilliams3
Member
The thing to remember, though, is that Nintendo is under different management than at that time. If anything, we know that Iwata is not shy to take drastic action to achieve their long term goals (example: 3DS). Iwata recently stated he knows that Nintendo will actually have to work hard to make the Wii U successful, so it will be interesting to see what they will do.
Damn your username. I want a sequel, goddamnit^^. Does anyone know if indieszero is involved in the Theatrythm-port? Or are they free for different projects now?
Portugeezer
Member
Do you understand what you are saying? No real handheld competition in Japan?
It sounds like you don't have a clue.
electroplankton
Banned
I don't think we will ever see a sequel of electroplankton. It was a quite unique experiment by Toshio Iwai, and nothing else.
Yes i do, the Vita was dead on arrival and has barely any games that are interesting for the Japanese market ( let alone any huge system sellers like Monster Hunter) and the 8 years old PSP is way past it´s prime. Nintendo is basically alone on the Japanese handheld market.
@ bolded
How can you even possibly call that? All we can say RIGHT NOW is that sales are poor and the immediate future isn't looking to inspire much confidence in sales.
Even with the Vita, until its dead and succeeded, you can't make a final sales statement.
Your comment is made more absurd when you consider that the 360/PS3 are going to have at least an 8 year life cycle! Anything can happen in eight years.
Look at the 360 for a platform that saw a second life near what would typically be the end of a console life cycle.
Mr. Pointy
Member
To be fair, everything has dropped like a stone this week. Though the WiiU will need a kick in the pants soon.
No, you don't. There is something called PSP that stole market share and third party support from DS and the revival of 3DS and 3-years exclusivity for MH surely wasn't "luck".
In retrospect this is easy to say. The truth is that there is little competition NOW because 3ds obliterated it. The potential was and still is there for competition to arise, if the 3ds release strategy leaves room for error. Its because 3ds placed itself in this position that it dominates the market, not the other way around.
vicissitudes
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What's more worrying is that the PS3 only did 22k this week. Being down YOY all year, and with nothing huge in the pipeline (at least on the level of MonHun, DQ, Pokemon, Smash, etc.) that number will only go down. And when the PS4 releases, with a much higher price tag and almost no games at launch, I don't see the PS4 doing better numbers than the PS3. January 2014 could very well look something like this:
WiiU: 20k
PS3: 15k
PS4: 8k
It's not just that the WiiU is doing badly; consoles are dead in Japan.
WiiU: 20k
PS3: 15k
PS4: 8k
It's not just that the WiiU is doing badly; consoles are dead in Japan.
Yes, I know. But to be honest I don´t think those announcements would have had a huge impact on recent sales, these games have to be on the market/released to have any reasonable effect. It would have been more effective to increase the marketing for their announced games for early 2013 titles and a more agressive positioning. In my opinion it should have looked more like this Jan. Pikmin 3, Feb. W101, March Wario Ware and Lego City Stories and April: Wii Fit U.
Thunder Monkey
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By that metric man the PS3 wouldn't reach PS3 sales.
The first two Pikmin games did well in Japan on the Gamecube so I think it can potentially do a good job on the HW front.
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jeremy1456
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I think last we saw the series the installments were pulling in around 500k apiece.
That's certainly not bad, and that was on the Gamecube no less. With how many years it has been gone we don't know how it will do, but if it does even half of that (which is pretty feasible) it will have outsold every Vita game in Japan.
That's a reference to the Vita's current library and sales.
Well, it is the same management team who presided over a consumer electronics cultural phenomenal and delivered record profits, so I wouldn't call them awful. They have made some pretty poor decisions the last 18 months though.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but the numbers bear out that it was a successful launch. I do agree they've done nothing to sustain any interest or momentum post-launch.
I think it also really depends on how good the game actually is and how starved for content owners will be at the time. It could end up having a strong opening and then falling off a cliff while not really impacting hardware numbers.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Very very.
Eh, indeed.
toddhunter
Member
Every time I think the WiiU is doomed I remember:
Skylanders style Pokemon game.
Skylanders style Pokemon game.
electroplankton
Banned
I think that's just a reply to those that are subtly comparing the two situations.
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2013 is going to be rough for GAF.
It's going to be the same shit posted, like how the Vita was in 2012.
I agree with what you are saying, but I don´t see how its negating what I´m saying. Peole are not necessarly sold on Pikmin alone, but having in mind that this, this and this will make later an appearence only helps sales overall.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
What B and C studios are you talking about? Nihilistic?Big Big studios? I house you aren't talking about bend.
Let's see how close at software sales the 2 systems will be at first 3 months of 2013 since the situation is so much different. I have a suspicion things won't be rosy for Nintendo.
Shikamaru Ninja
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This is the silliest meme being thrown around in the Vita universe. Who decides what B and C studios are? The fact is that there are just few first-party SONY IPs that sell blockbusters in Japan outside Gran Turismo. Their IPs generally just sell better outside of Japan. The Vita is lacking a strong Japanese IP exclusive at the moment. The consumer is clueless as to who develops the games really.
electroplankton
Banned
Nintendo must announce release date for Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, Game&Wario and The Wonferful 101 already.
You already know the what the launch games are for the PS4?
Why would the WiiU be selling better than the PS3/PS4? Which games has Nintendo announced for that time period? (although it's just 5k)
Why is the PS4 going to perform worse than the PS3 has been doing? You'll have to look at different things like launch games and price, do you really think Sony is that stupid to pull another 599$?
If the rumors of a fall 2013 release for the PS4 are true then those PS4 numbers are HORRIBLE, it's impossible for them to accomplish this.
Everything is performing worse this week in comparison with last one, I expect things to pick up again next week. I hope Nintendo performs better on their home console department.
EDIT: If we are talking about next-gen then I really hope MS launches their next console in Japan, if only for the exclusives they will moneyhat/support, I enjoyed them immensely this gen.. Although the chance of MS trying it again over there are really small lol