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fam I can't stop playing this shit.
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I usually listen to a different catchy song to get the current one outta my head. Listening to Keef yesterday was a bad idea.
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fam I can't stop playing this shit.
halp.[/QUOTE]
I usually listen to a different catchy song to get the current one outta my head. Listening to Keef yesterday was a bad idea.
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fam I can't stop playing this
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Couple things I want to go over.
First, this is basically a non-edited version of the Django Unchained episode with guests Devo & Soundscream
http://sowellspoken.podomatic.com/
Like I mentioned earlier soundscream's audio was low. I have had no time to edit thus far and just allowed clipping throughout the entire file in hopes it would level out a bit.
Test it out, let me know how it sounds and what you used to listen to it with. If need be I'll go back and boost the volume on every bit of Soundscream audio in the hour and a half recording.
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Next thing, Podomatic is.....kinda weak. the upload limit is fine. Don't think we'd ever surpass the 250mb monthly limit. The bandwidth limit is already 1/5th gone after just 1 episode being offered in this thread.
I was thinking about libsyn.com I have no gripes about the $5 a month cost if the service is worth it. I'll look into it more in the next couple days.
Couple things I want to go over.
First, this is basically a non-edited version of the Django Unchained episode with guests Devo & Soundscream
http://sowellspoken.podomatic.com/
Like I mentioned earlier soundscream's audio was low. I have had no time to edit thus far and just allowed clipping throughout the entire file in hopes it would level out a bit.
Test it out, let me know how it sounds and what you used to listen to it with. If need be I'll go back and boost the volume on every bit of Soundscream audio in the hour and a half recording.
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Next thing, Podomatic is.....kinda weak. the upload limit is fine. Don't think we'd ever surpass the 250mb monthly limit. The bandwidth limit is already 1/5th gone after just 1 episode being offered in this thread.
I was thinking about libsyn.com I have no gripes about the $5 a month cost if the service is worth it. I'll look into it more in the next couple days.
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"Someone turn my mic up"
Not as bad as you made it seem, but definitely lower than the others.
I could do some mirroring on my domain. See if you like the DL speed:
http://www.fyrewulff.com/blackgaf/podcast/sowellspoken_001.mp3 (right click -> save)
Man this flu is on some CIA sickle cell shit. But I got to live, so I can laugh when Dy tries to be a dad when his son gets signed to the CFL, only to get hit with "Where were you?" by Dy jr.
taking off your mask led to your downfall
Just remember to bury me in the jewelry store.
Let me preface by apologizing if this post is hard to read I'm writing this as I'm getting ready to leave the house.
Spoilers for DJANGO AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While an important plot point its subservient to the meat of the film: Black slave killing white slave owners. You didn't see Django because it was a romantic story, you didn't see it because he had to rescue his wife. It was marketed in such a way to play up the aspect of revenge and violence.
Django represents the repressed and enslaved African American, the other slave owners and Mr. Candie and his plantation represent exactly what Mr. Tarantino said in the interview: "[A] genocidal white racist class, and the institution of slavery..." Django: Unchained (the film's name tells you exactly what to expect within. What ideas come to mind when you think of a title such as that?) gives physical identities to all those ideas. The symbolism of the film very clear. Whether or not there is one person that we can pin all the past atrocities on doesn't matter at all.
Tarantino also says that's why he started writing!
There's nothing in that quote that talks about rescuing a damsel in distress. We all know the true point to the film and because you have further exposition for the reason behind his killing doesn't mean that it nullifies or takes higher precedence than "A folkloric hero that...pays back blood for blood." Whether or not he helps other slaves is moot. He's not required to free slaves. He's required to kill white slave owners, nothing more. (He did actually make sure the black servants left safely though)
I'm not entirely sure why you're telling me Stephen was in control or running things. You may be right in some manner, but ultimately he still answered to the authority of Mr. Candie. And perhaps I'm too naive to see where you're going but this is also seems to be a moot point -- The antagonist of the story was Stephen, a black house negro. Yes he had some clout, but the main antagonist had better have some clout. Otherwise, why do we care if he dies?
Django going back I would say only helps my point. It's a revenge film. Like you said he could have left. But he went back and decimated the entire Candie house, and even Mrs. Candie who really did nothing wrong in the film (except wanting to punish the man who was the cause of the death of her husband which is very understandable) The denouement was supposed to be very cathartic because Django was killing everyone who wronged him... the representation of slavery finally setting things right. Underneath it really had nothing to do with Broomhilda but everything to do with the main premise of the film.
And Broomhilda could easily have been killed and the story still would have served its purpose. It doesn't really hinge on Django rescuing her. Again, Brromhilda only serves to contextualize a former black slave killing white slave owners.
And I argue that it is directly comparable to Inglorious. You don't need every single plot point or every single conflict to be symmetric. The thematic motif is that of an oppressed class, enacting vengeance (the reason they can or do is moot) on the oppressive.
With that said, even the most memorable lines to both movies are extremely similar in nature. Paraphrasing here but you have a bunch of Jews saying, "We're in the business of killing Nahzis!" and as harSon said a black slave saying, "Kill white people for money, what's not to like about that?"
I really don't think we'll agree on this. It's clear we have very different interpretations of the film. I think having a black man as the final baddie is a cop out to the entire premise of the film, and to the subject of slavery. You of course do not. I understand why you'd think that, I just disagree.
I'm going to try and make this quick. I had a lot of thoughts during the movie so I apologize if this post seems all over the place.
- Saw it with a predominantly white crowd. (packed screening, like 4 black people not including me and my brothers)
- QT peppered a lot of the N-words with jokes (many un-needed but slave times so OK), but there were a lot that weren't seasoned to be digestible, yet the crowd laughed nearly every time. Crowd cracked up when the screen showed black people in chains. I had to stare at the screen to find something funny. There was none. Just black people in chains trudging through mud. Yes people racism is dead!
- I thought the movie was a good popcorn flick, but as a revenge flick it was bad, and even worse as a movie that delves into the topic of slavery.
- Don't get me started on the KKK scene
- There weren't any slave owners that were made to be REALLY hated except the Bittle brothers - and they were killed in the beginning. The rest of the film they killed racists and slave owners without even showing how ruthless these people were -- and even when they introduced one that was supposed to be a terrible man he was offset by two very disturbing things:
Dicaprio was a loveable/charming slave owner.
SLJ was worse than Dicaprio
Now these may not seem like a big deal but they are very insidious in nature. The man the movie MAKES you hate isn't all the slave owners, it isn't DiCaprio but SLJ's character. (He was even going to let Django and Schultz go; although racist, he was a man of his word who didn't like being lied to. He simply just made Schultz pay what he originally was going to. Not a bad guy right? Right)
In a revenge movie about killing white slave owners the black man's final triumph isn't over a white slave owner, it's over a house n*****-- he doesn't even get to kill the "worse" slave owner in the south (Mr. Candie), Schultz does, a white man! No, the final enemy in this revenge movie is a black man, albeit an uncle Tom, they still made the black man the prime hated, despicable enemy. No one liked SLJ. Mr. Candie, a supposedly terrible and ruthless slave owner had to argue with his servant Stephen to even let them in the house, and be treated well.
As soon as they showed SLJ I whispered to my brother, "Notice how they make the most hated character a black man..."
Compare this movie to Inglorious Basterds, a very similar revenge flick -- except for it actually felt like a revenge flick. A bunch of Jews killing "Nahzis" in very brutal ways and at the end they exploded Hitler's head. I'm not Jewish but it seemd very cathartic and infinitely satisfying. Imagine if they didn't kill Hitler (since he did kill himself IRL) but instead they killed a Jewish guy. This movie? A copout. No, it didn't feel satisfying at all - and out of all the over the top violence in the movie, he simply shoots Stephen (SLJ) in the legs and blows up the house.
The scene where Schultz killed DiCaprio made no sense, and was just the setup to actually have the black man be the main villain. The white man was so upset about injustice that he killed another white man in cold blood without regard for the shotgun aimed at Django or Broomhilda.
And don't tell me this was an analyses on black people being their own worst enemy. Black people are treated poorly by black people because America tells EVERYONE to treat black people bad, not just the majority but minorities as well. Just look at the famous white/black doll beauty experiment. Black people are learning the same prejudices that most Americans do. I wouldn't give QT that much credit anyway
In all I think QT made a terrible mistake. A subject as sensitive, clouded and sometimes outright ignored should have been handled differently.
There's a lot of things I missed but this should give you a feeling on how I felt.
I'm going to try and make this quick. I had a lot of thoughts during the movie so I apologize if this post seems all over the place.
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There's a lot of things I missed but this should give you a feeling on how I felt.
Is this Spike Lee's NeoGaf account?
For real... it'd take less than five minuteswhy we still got spoiler tags?
How do you feels about Q in general. Just from my memory of films he seems be infatuated with mentioning nigger in his movies . In True Romance there was the whole interrogation of the main characters father by Christopher Walken. In it the father called Walken a nigger due to his Italian heritage and revealed the historical reasoning why he called him that. Pulp Fiction had the whole "dead nigger storage" scene. Then you have Django and its use. I haven't watched Jackie Brown or remember his movies too fondly in general but there is probably more there. Do you guys have any issues with it?
How do you feels about Q in general. Just from my memory of films he seems be infatuated with mentioning nigger in his movies . In True Romance there was the whole interrogation of the main characters father by Christopher Walken. In it the father called Walken a nigger due to his Italian heritage and revealed the historical reasoning why he called him that. Pulp Fiction had the whole "dead nigger storage" scene. Then you have Django and its use. I haven't watched Jackie Brown or remember his movies too fondly in general but there is probably more there. Do you guys have any issues with it?
How do you feels about Q in general. Just from my memory of films he seems be infatuated with mentioning nigger in his movies . In True Romance there was the whole interrogation of the main characters father by Christopher Walken. In it the father called Walken a nigger due to his Italian heritage and revealed the historical reasoning why he called him that. Pulp Fiction had the whole "dead nigger storage" scene. Then you have Django and its use. I haven't watched Jackie Brown or remember his movies too fondly in general but there is probably more there. Do you guys have any issues with it?
How do you feels about Q in general. Just from my memory of films he seems be infatuated with mentioning nigger in his movies . In True Romance there was the whole interrogation of the main characters father by Christopher Walken. In it the father called Walken a nigger due to his Italian heritage and revealed the historical reasoning why he called him that. Pulp Fiction had the whole "dead nigger storage" scene. Then you have Django and its use. I haven't watched Jackie Brown or remember his movies too fondly in general but there is probably more there. Do you guys have any issues with it?
More spoilers for Django Unchained below.
You're right that we disagre on a base level about this movie's status as a revenge film, though I acknowledge revenge plays a large part and served as the main draw for audiences. And that's fine.
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Lol, it already did.These are truth bombs that will get seen as "hating"
I wouldn't say that I was bothered by the usage of Nigger in his films, considering that those respective scenes within True Romance and Pulp Fiction are some of my favorites, but his insistence on using the term regardless of its relevance is a bit weird. I mean, who the fuck thinks of "Dead Nigger storage" and "Sicilians are spawned from Niggers" during the writing process. It's so off-base, out of left field and irrelevant to his narratives that I find myself completely baffled.
Reservoir Dogs had a few instances where characters accused other characters of acting and conducting business "like a bunch of Niggers," ie. always at each other's throats, untrustworthy and killing each other.
Even in Kill Bill, in reference to the slaughter at the chapel, the sheriff says something around the lines of "they even killed that Negrah fella at the piano," and while it wasn't present in the film, in the screenplay this quote is present: "There's cops all over here, I had to be cool. They tend to notice things like Negroes sneaking around people's backyards."
In Inglorious Basterds, there's the card game scene where a correlation between King Kong and the "Negro experience" is made. And within the script, during the opening scene where the Jew Hunter is comparing Jews to rats, he makes a comparison between blacks and gorillas, saying "Negro's - gorilla's - brain - lips - smell - physical strength - penis size."
Jackie Brown and Django Unchained speak for themselves. He has a hard on for racial humor, but as I said, I'm not sure what to make of it.
Is this weeks podcast subject set in stone? Is it okay to talk about minorities and women in entertainment (in addition to gaming). Or is that too broad?
We should be able to fill an hour + with just minorities in games past, present and looking forward. I have a couple things written down that I want to bounce off of everyone. Maybe its just me but I think this topic alone could be talked about for a whiiile.
Comparing things to other mediums is probably going to happen organically. And as proven by the first two casts things tend to veer away from the topic at times.
Keep in mind we'll have a whole episode dedicated to the 'rise and fall of the black sitcom' which will probably touch on film and the like.
TLDR: Yes it's ok if you're trying to explain or prove a point, like having a white male lead in movies/games serve the same purpose of reaching the broadest audience. Let's not talk about Kathryn Bigelow at length just cause.
Cool--cool, cool, cool.We should be able to fill an hour + with just minorities in games past, present and looking forward. I have a couple things written down that I want to bounce off of everyone. Maybe its just me but I think this topic alone could be talked about for a whiiile.
Comparing things to other mediums is probably going to happen organically. And as proven by the first two casts things tend to veer away from the topic at times.
Keep in mind we'll have a whole episode dedicated to the 'rise and fall of the black sitcom' which will probably touch on film and the like.
TLDR: Yes it's ok if you're trying to explain or prove a point, like having a white male lead in movies/games serve the same purpose of reaching the broadest audience. Let's not talk about Kathryn Bigelow at length just cause.
Hit me up when the discussion of minorities in the media comes up. Hopefully I'll be able to make it, because I'd love to have that discussion. I don't think it's a secret on these boards that I'm absolutely fascinated by the subject.
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For sure. I'm thinking Minorities in media should be its own, since there's so much there. And "Minorities in games" "Rise&Fall of the black sitcom" can stand on their own.
If your going to mention Minorities in games are you guys going to venture into the whole "San Andreas" outcry? I remember a lot of people were pissed and it just wasn't bout the "hot coffee" mod haha.
If your going to mention Minorities in games are you guys going to venture into the whole "San Andreas" outcry? I remember a lot of people were pissed and it just wasn't bout the "hot coffee" mod haha.
This page needs some ratchet.
I just can't relate with a thug, ya know? Something about the culture, clothes, music, and hair. I'm not about that life, "you dig"? That Tommy though. Wow. I feel like I could feel exactly where he was coming from. I mean, I'm no criminal, or in the mob. I just couldn't relate to a...gangster. It's not because CJ is black. It's so typical for you all to try and pull the race card, ugh.
#3 - Minorities In Games - Topher/DrFunk
#4 - Rise & Fall of The Black Sitcom - Prof.Beef/Devo
#5 - Interracial Dating - Dark Faze/Devo
#6 - Comic Books/Comic book based movies
#7 In The workplace
#8 - Things Black People Need To Stop Doing
#9 Minorities In Media - harson/?
PM if you'd like jump in on one of the open spots.
#3 will be recorded this Sunday
DrFunk - 6pm est?
Topher - 6pm est
Moris - All Day
Dy -
Immortal -
onemic -
#3 - Minorities In Games - Topher/DrFunk
#4 - Rise & Fall of The Black Sitcom - Prof.Beef/Devo
#5 - Interracial Dating - Dark Faze/Devo
#6 - Comic Books/Comic book based movies
#7 In The workplace
#8 - Things Black People Need To Stop Doing
#9 Minorities In Media - harson/?
PM if you'd like jump in on one of the open spots.
#3 will be recorded this Sunday
DrFunk - 6pm est?
Topher - 6pm est
Moris - All Day
Dy -
Immortal -
onemic -
Does someone have the thread where Gaf first realized all the details bout San Andreas? Someone linked it to me like 3 months ago and all I remember was people literally losing it acting like the series was basically dead.