The Horror the horror
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Judging from your posts, it seems that you've been driven off for quite some time and nothing they do will ever meet your standards, so why continue?
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Judging from your posts, it seems that you've been driven off for quite some time and nothing they do will ever meet your standards, so why continue?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
You're entitled to your opinion. But at this point, does "Wii U is getting a Zelda game" actually surprise you? That's the issue. It's this total familiarity with what your new console is going to get from the second you buy it. You can be sure the top PS4 and 720 titles won't be as close to the PS3 and 360 ones as Wii U will be to Wii.
It's this reinforced familiarity that makes Nintendo consoles not feel as exciting as they once were. This isn't the N64 where every franchise (mostly) was reborn.
And still, they presented Wonderful 101.
But yes, they are blessed and cursed at the same time. Sony for example abandoned hella lot PS1 IPs. They had to create something new. Because nothing worked saleswise anymore. MS is pretty new to the game but only really created two IPs. Well, one is bought. And is currently milking them to death. Ninty on the other hand has a large bunch of IPs. People complain if they don´t resurrect them (FZero) and complain when they do it (this article).
But yes, they are blessed and cursed at the same time. Sony for example abandoned hella lot PS1 IPs. They had to create something new. Because nothing worked saleswise anymore. MS is pretty new to the game but only really created two IPs. Well, one is bought. And is currently milking them to death. Ninty on the other hand has a large bunch of IPs. People complain if they don´t resurrect them (FZero) and complain when they do it (this article).
I wonder if Nintendo would just bust out ONE new Miyamoto-credited mascot character in a new IP, unvelieved with a lot of fanfare at E3, if this talk would go away?
My feelings have been the "Nintendo doesn't develop new IP" thing has really translated to "Nintendo doesn't develop any iconic, marketable, characters anymore."
My feelings have been the "Nintendo doesn't develop new IP" thing has really translated to "Nintendo doesn't develop any iconic, marketable, characters anymore."
Good question. 1000s of patents, copyrights, trademarks etc for sure.
That it's being posted in a thread raising the question that Nintendo could be held back by legacy, aka relying on sequels too much.
wow. really? why is that? is it because of the same old gameplay? same old looking graphics? or is it that same old mechanics that gives you fatigue? i want to know
Aquamarine
Member
wounded Nintendo fans are the worst. They basically become like that Jewish boy who hated the Jews in that movie
Indeed. And by that logic Sony doesn't develop any games either. Sony has no first party line up!!!!11111 So many double standards in this thread.
Baloney. Nintendo has an awesome catalog they've more or less abandoned. Nintendo is trapped by being in love with the fat profits of the Wii/DS phenomenon. And that means they've lost interest in anything that can't do at minimum 5 million units. Unfortunately, that makes their line-up predictable and boring.
SturokBGD
Member
Right here, me. More than ever. I suspect I'm considerably older than you, too - not a dig at you, just an observation on this and similar posts I've seen over the years.
EDIT: I also suspect I was much older than many of you when the NES was the hottest thing, which may also explain this. Nintendo didn't really break Europe until the Game Boy in the early 1990s.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
What people want is something on the scale of Zelda and 3D Mario that isn't Mario or Zelda, made in house. That's why Prime got such a positive reception at the time. Just show you're willing to do something completely new on a large scale. The IP itself doesn't really matter so much as it not feeling obvious.
Zelda doesn't right now. Could easily change though when it's actually shown.
The new Monolith Soft game, Pikmin 3 (first release in the series in a decade) and The Wonderful 101 (published and paid for by Nintendo, counts to me) do.
Personally I find them far more exciting then all the 'hollywood' inspired games that Sony for example releases. (Though luckily they still got games like Journey and possibly The Last Guardian).
It's only the second one, and on nother console. c'mon!
Herb Alpert
Banned
I do
33 years, 2 children, and I started playing video games around 1987 i would say, with Amstrad CPC 6128.
And I enjoy my 3DS, especially KIU lately. I still play Zelda, metroid games, mario kart... As much as I did on the nes and Snes...
Baconsammy
Banned
I bought a 3DS and a Wii U when each launched. Tell me again how far off I've been driven.
I'd categorize persecution-complex-Nintendo fans as the worst, personally.
This is the answer for me. Now don't take this as me defending AC because I'm not talking about that franchise at all, but my first thought when I played Mario Galaxy was "holy shit he has the EXACT same move-set as he did in Mario 64". Not to mention the focus on getting stars to beat up Bowser again.
Zarovitch said:
Oh I know, I'm not even saying it's a bad thing with X. I just thought it was funny.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Can't take these Nintendo diatribes seriously until Doritos media starts charging the entire industry with the crime of making more of what people buy.
Is that not largely because that's a sensible business move in this day and age? We can't decry the death of the B-tier in one breath then complain that a company's making conservatively-budgeted titles in the next.
Mysterious
Banned
There's been a grand total of one Xenoblade. One. This isn't even remotely the same thing as Mario Kart and the like.
This is a franchise driven industry. People want sequels to the games they love. I'd be very disappointed if we never got another game like Xenoblade.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
wow. really? why is that? is it because of the same old gameplay? same old looking graphics? or is it that same old mechanics that gives you fatigue? i want to know
I explained in an earlier post.
It isn't about every Mario game being the same, it's about the inevitability of a Mario game not being exciting.
Majukun
Member
sounds like me
Aquamarine
Member
I'm not a Nintendo-exclusive gamer (have a gaming PC, PS3, PSP from the 7th gen as well), but I still play everything Nintendo puts out...Pokemon and all.
Doctor Decimate
Member
because building a strong foundation of games they know people will buy is stupid. best to jump off the deep end right away with the new IPs. those games everyone bought the Wii U for can wait while Nintendo takes chances without a safety net.
Because those games haven't been following the same basic formula since 1998.This is the same guy who gave Skyward Sword a 7.5, citing "predictable formula" as a negative of the game.
How come I never see "predictable formula" in any cod, AC, or Halo reviews?
So something like Tomodachi Collection or their new Wii U party games aren't A-tier because they don't have the budget even though they could post many millions in sales, and something like Bayonetta 2 or X isn't A-tier because they don't have the sales even though they probably have high budgets. You've very specifically redefined terms here (not like the term definitions are a good crux for an argument anyway).
Glory of Heracles has been around since the SNES or NES, IIRC. It's also not owned by Nintendo.
Baconsammy
Banned
AC isn't a 30 year old series. As for COD and Halo reviews, you didn't see that complaint because you obviously chose to ignore it. Halo 4 was ripped to pieces in numerous reviews for the very same thing Zelda was given low scores by some outlets.
I am an adult and have been playing Nintendo games all my life. I would say I qualify as a Nintendo fan as they produce some of my favourite franchises, but I am about level with where my money goes regarding games.
My experiences are the complete opposite to you.
Because I do not play Nintendo games in a vacuum, each time a new installment of Zelda comes along I have already played many many games in other genres, from other developers and on other consoles. As a result, the feeling of playing a new Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, whatever feels like catching up with an old friend over a few of beers.
I could understand feeling fatigue with the franchises if all you do is play the big Nintendo franchises but I suspect this is not the case for the majority of people on this forum and, thus, I dont see how anyone could complain about all of Nintendo's IPs in general.
(Whilst I would quite like it if they stopped relying on Mario to push their hardware - they have a plethora of other franchises to dip in to that could help rather than Mario overload).
i gotta ask, how is it the same when the genre is different? its all mario okay, but everyone one of that is different it gameplay, artstyle, genre. cmon, i hope you can see that too and haven't forgot that they're still want to make money on games so they stick the mario name on the different genre of games that they release.
MS and Sony aren't any different, they're not as arrogant as nintendo but you know they want to have nintendo's goldmine when they release titles like littlebigkarting and uncharted poker.
FalsettoVibe
Member
God Nintendo, stop making the same game over and over.
I mean it's like you never do anything differently.
When will we get something that's not just Mario and Zelda?
I bet Sony & Microsoft aren't even going to bring out HALOGRANTURISMOGODOFWARGEARSOFWARUNCHARTEDKILLZONE next gen.
Don't do that mang.
He has even less moves now than in 64.
They really won't be able to rest on their laurels now, big DS successes like Nintendogs and Brain Training are bombing on 3DS, Animal Crossing, Mario and Kart are the only things they could rely on to carry over so far. From here on it's a new frontier outside of Pokemon, they'll have to rethink their development because this is not the same audience.
Same for Wii U, Sing Party bombed tremendously and I don't think Wii Fit U is going to do anything.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
I'm sure they expected Sin & Punishment 2 to sell a minimum of 5 million copies.
The same moveset with gravity and spherical bodies gives you completely different interactivity. They already did a move set change up in Sunshine.
GitarooMan
Member
I agree, this is what people have been waiting for years for. A 3D large-scale action/adventure/platformer that just has a new feel from Mario/Zelda. It's not that Nintendo isn't making new IPs, its that they keep failing to make new IPs in one of the most critical genres. Even a new racing IP would be welcome.
I agree. I think the "they don't make new IP" arguement is ridiculous. What they haven't done is create a new mascot. For lack of a better explanation, a character that would get a Smash Bros. roster spot.
I generally agree with this. But I think people want a NEW character to get really excited for. Just my opinion.
"I see your truuue colors shining through."This is the same guy who gave Skyward Sword a 7.5, citing "predictable formula" as a negative of the game.
How come I never see "predictable formula" in any cod, AC, or Halo reviews?
The Horror the horror
Banned
Same here (well, the GF bought me the Wii U as a gift). Did you purchase those systems expecting something totally outside of what you've received thus far, because in almost every post you seem as someone who's been completely blindsided by their approach this generation...?
Explain the major differences between CoD BO1 and CoD BO2.
The basic formula is the same.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
My point is simple: the big, marquee games on Nintendo platforms remain Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and, to a lesser extent, the Mii filled party games. They're the games Nintendo have the biggest hopes for. I'm not dismissing the potential quality of Bayonetta 2 or whatever. But it's this familiarity with the core "big titles" that I feel is harming Nintendo for a lot of people like me, who's played pretty much every Mario and Zelda game.
I don't feel like that did anything special to the formula. In fact I thought it was a big regression since it wasn't open world and you couldn't tackle the stars in any order you wanted to.
Monty Mole
Member
My first thought!