So much this.
For anyone arguing there are no mature Nintendo games, read up on FE4 and come again.
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So much this.
For anyone arguing there are no mature Nintendo games, read up on FE4 and come again.
Portugeezer
Member
The atmosphere, and there are some pretty dark sci-fi themes in the series.
Wii Sports, Wii Fit?
To be fair, all I was doing there was comparing the quantity of releases and making a broad observation about evolution. It's not the most offensive of comparisons I can imagine.
I think Nintendo would benefit from moving their IP's between studios (internal and external).
Let Monster Games have a go at Mario Kart, let Monolith have a go at Zelda, let Retro have a go at Starfox..and let them experiment with the formula and visual styles...and then let those who usually make those games try something new or do their own take on another franchise.
Having the same people constantly working on the same franchise is bound to lead to some stagnation.
Let Monster Games have a go at Mario Kart, let Monolith have a go at Zelda, let Retro have a go at Starfox..and let them experiment with the formula and visual styles...and then let those who usually make those games try something new or do their own take on another franchise.
Having the same people constantly working on the same franchise is bound to lead to some stagnation.
If they're posting a gif to show off graphics in the first place then they are making a mistake from the start. Its all about that "hop in, take off".
Captain Smoker
Member
Nintendo typically designs the gameplay first, before deciding which IP works for it. This was true for Metroid Prime, Star Fox Adventures, and many other games. Therefore the gameplay dictates the IP, and not the other way around.
take a look at Zelda. With the possible exception of Twilight Princess, all the 3D Zelda's have been quite different. MM was a huge departure from OoT, and WW and SS were both drastically different. good luck finding another franchise that has deviated as much as Zelda.
I think the same could be said of the 3D Mario games. Many people wouldn't even give Sunshine the time of day because it was so different from what they expected. Galaxy wasn't just a fresh coat of paint, it used an innovative gravity mechanic that shapes the gameplay at all times.
Their reuse of IPs doesn't bother me because I like their characters/worlds and Nintendo tend to keep the gameplay fresh. if Mario Kart and Smash Bros were annual franchises then this would be a decent discussion.
take a look at Zelda. With the possible exception of Twilight Princess, all the 3D Zelda's have been quite different. MM was a huge departure from OoT, and WW and SS were both drastically different. good luck finding another franchise that has deviated as much as Zelda.
I think the same could be said of the 3D Mario games. Many people wouldn't even give Sunshine the time of day because it was so different from what they expected. Galaxy wasn't just a fresh coat of paint, it used an innovative gravity mechanic that shapes the gameplay at all times.
Their reuse of IPs doesn't bother me because I like their characters/worlds and Nintendo tend to keep the gameplay fresh. if Mario Kart and Smash Bros were annual franchises then this would be a decent discussion.
Zelda changes, its just in ways some people don't like so it really doesn't resonate with them. That and people want Zelda to change into something its probably not every going to do. They want atmosphere ,story, and place while while Zelda will always be a game first.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
This is the same guy who gave Skyward Sword a 7.5, citing "predictable formula" as a negative of the game.
How come I never see "predictable formula" in any cod, AC, or Halo reviews?
Unless you can show the same reviewer having double standards these kind of comments are useless.
I don't think so but Mario Kart has really disappointed me.The 2d mario games are good but i feel they could push them so much more and that's what get's to me.3d mario games always deliver though.As for franchises i think they could do with some new faces or resurrect some dormant ones.The announcements of future Wii U software looked good but you never know they could be pulling a FF Versus on us.
Uno Venova
Banned
Does play by yourself mean no companion? Because I liked those...
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I like the series, but most Zelda games do feel samey. Adding a couple of bullet point features doesn't change the overall structural similarities between the games.
Captain Smoker
Member
Wow, I can ride a horse in Uncharted 3.
Knux-Future
Banned
There has been at least one core game from each Nintendo franchise for each of their consoles. Two at the most. How is that rehashing? They have to support their new consoles.... Why not with stuff people like? Innovation often comes after the system is set. The only thing I'd give you is the nsmb series as that looks to be pretty easy to create
Unless you think it's a good idea to not release gaurenteed sellers for their hardware.... They are a business first guys.
Goddam Nintendo quit making all these Nintendo ass Nintendo games yo.
Seriously if its not fur you..cool. Don't fuck it up for the rest of us. Some of us like their old shit just fine.
Unless you think it's a good idea to not release gaurenteed sellers for their hardware.... They are a business first guys.
Goddam Nintendo quit making all these Nintendo ass Nintendo games yo.
Seriously if its not fur you..cool. Don't fuck it up for the rest of us. Some of us like their old shit just fine.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Not really.
Mario is probably too big for them to see something else.
Hmm Nintendo has never pulled a versus.......I think lol.
I agree. Hell, I would go as far as saying that Zelda is the most transformed franchise on a game to game basis, from Nintendo and any other publisher. Some of the iconic conventions tie it to the same franchise, naturally, but in terms of virtually everything else the games are vastly different in art direction, in world building and in the feel of the gameplay.
Even Twilight Princess went in an entirely different direction. The backlash against that game is tragic.
We've had more Call of Dutys than that.
Call of Duty
United Offensive
CoD2
CoD3
Cod4: MW
WaW
MW2
BO
MW3
BO2
We're on the tenth Call of Duty "main series" game, and that's not even counting the random pre-MW spinoffs like Big Red One.
We're on the fifth Assassin's Creed already, not counting the portable games.
But it's Nintendo that always gets shit for putting out "endless repeats" of their franchises, when they almost always release one entry on the series per platform and that's it.
I'll buy that I guess. If only because I hate how people use atmosphere in games to mean whatever they want it to mean and no one can really argue against it in that case.
You argument is the only stretch around here, all I see is subjective bullshit because you can't seem to come up with a coherent argument.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Yes really.
Twilight Princess had a token wolf gimmick that really didn't matter after the first part of the game. The sailing in Wind Waker was 1) fundamentally flawed by a stupid mechanic and 2) just a way to travel the overworld like a horse in Ocarina and Majora's Mask. The flying in Skyward Sword was just traveling across the overworld.
Majora's Mask was a substantial change in a lot of ways. SS, WW and TP are Ocarina with some gimmicks.
This latest Nintendo Direct must have really broke something in some people. I like to think they had this narrative all set that the Wii U was failing, it would be passed by, by the PS4/720. Nintendo couldn't deliver because they went casual with the Wii. They weren't going to get any third party support so there would be no games because Nintendo doesn't make them after all. Never mind that what they were likely to claim wasn't true.
Then the Nintendo Direct happens. Customers and gamers go wild or at at the very least are excited or simpliy have positive things to say. There goes their narrative and possibly this was the last straw for some. Then some respond with the crazy.
Then the Nintendo Direct happens. Customers and gamers go wild or at at the very least are excited or simpliy have positive things to say. There goes their narrative and possibly this was the last straw for some. Then some respond with the crazy.
Red Blaster
Member
probably
what I don't get is why some posters think cynical junk like Nintendoland and New Super Mario Bros. U is okay while BLOPS2, which actually did a few notable changes to the COD formula, isn't
what I don't get is why some posters think cynical junk like Nintendoland and New Super Mario Bros. U is okay while BLOPS2, which actually did a few notable changes to the COD formula, isn't
Like the hat?
Banned
Nintendo releases new games all the time. And they keep making Mario, Zelda, smash bros, etc because (gasp!) people like those games.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Man you must find boring all those change made in most of games
TP is one of my favourite games of all time. Ocarina is one of my favourite games of all time. But lets not distort things. To imply each Zelda is massively different, with the exception of MM, is disingenuous and is just a fake fanboy argument.
And I HATE Skyward Sword. There's plenty of things that changed in that game, but sadly they're just regressions and poor design rather than some brilliant new ideas that didn't pay off.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Honestly, I think the biggest reason people are annoyed is because they know that Nintendo's capable of more interesting stuff than another Mario Kart. CoD doesn't get as much shit because nobody expects Activision to churn out anything more interesting than that. Arguably, they're not even capable of it. Nintendo's track record is different -- they've put out enough crazy good, innovative games over the years that it's downright disappointing when they're wasting their resources on some weak shit for your grandparents.
See my previous post.
As for the hair comment - I'm ethnically Armenian, so I seriously doubt that.
I was not trying to put down Nintendo fans. I'm not a fanboy (currently I play most games on PC, but also have PS3, 360, Vita) but I'm just trying to get the opinions of others.
The lone Project H.A.M.M.E.R. fan cries a solitary tear.
They have to be controversial to gain hits for thier dying websites. The problem is they are too creative about how to be controversial.
So are you arguing they didn't attempt to change it or that the change is poorly executed?
There is a big difference. SS changes the formula a lot. I just personally don't like most of the changes and think if they want the series to stop declining they have to go the opposite route.
You're not confusing blood and tits with mature, are YOU?
A lone bounty hunter is dropped into the ruins of a civilization that was exterminated through a biological genocide, discovering the sad history and the warnings of an ever-advancing technological capacity and the threat it has on lifeforms. She alone can exterminate the threat, but not until the very evil she is trying to vanquish corrupts her own body, slowly turning her into the evil she has vowed to fight.
Seriously, either Derrick has never played or seen Metroid, or he is just a troll.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
I'm also wondering Gamespot if Nintendo is trapped in their Legacy or trying to explore new IPs,
Say what how about asking the president himself,
Say Iwata-San what are your views on Legacy established IPs and creating new ones.
Say what how about asking the president himself,
Say Iwata-San what are your views on Legacy established IPs and creating new ones.
Iwata said:
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bomb
Unconfirmed Member
Rumor of Nintendo trying to acquire Banjo Kazooie back.
Rumor of a New Diddy Kong Racing
Iwata mentioned more cross games.
Maybe we are getting a Mario Kart X Diddy Kart and thats why Nintendo wants Bajo Kazooie back?
/mindblown
Rumor of a New Diddy Kong Racing
Iwata mentioned more cross games.
Maybe we are getting a Mario Kart X Diddy Kart and thats why Nintendo wants Bajo Kazooie back?
/mindblown
I didn't say what they should or shouldn't do, just that the games feel very similar to me. Majora's Mask was a risky game that I think paid off because they changed enough of the structure to make it really fresh while still leaving plenty of Zelda-ness. The Wii U one sounds like it may work out similarly.
NeonZ
Member
Did you even play Brawl? It didn't change the core fighting engine of the game on a superficial level (although beyond that there were many changes, like Melee fans would say, and complain about), but introduced many significant additions that can easily be developed further, like the Subspace emissary mode single player/co-op action mode, equipment, level editor, online... There's a lot of obvious content that can be added beyond "roster update" and balance/mechanical tweaks.
So disappointing that we still hear insecure "hardcore gamer" stuff like this.
MikeE21286
Member
The big problem is that their legacy has allowed them to live, in lieu of forcing them to create new experiences.
Nintendoland is actually a pretty amazing game.
I will confess: I would love to see a Nintendo take on a more simulation-y racer, more of a Project Gotham style. It'd add to their stable of IPs quite nicely, too.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
SS changed a lot of things but they were regressions. Heavily segmented world, an overworld with nothing in it, a single town. Skyward Sword is so awful I'm not going to derail the thread by explaining how its one of the worst Nintendo games of all time.
Animal Crossing? Pikmin? Smash Bros? Mario Kart?
Don't count Mario Kart because it stars Mario characters despite playing nothing like a 2D or 3D Mario game? That still leaves 3, and I can list others if you'd like. Kid Icarus was basically a dead IP and it's been resurrected and seems to hold the potential to be big, if we go by the amount of love Uprising has received.
If you count more casually-oriented games like the Wii X series, then Nintendo wins by a country mile.
They are not massively different but they try new thing and there's hit and miss. I mean they don't always make the same thing like many people seem to think.
It's always struck me as odd how passionately people dislike Nintendo. Is it a case of one time fans who feel betrayed by the duct taping of Gamecubes together, people who think the medium is brought down by iterations of children's games selling well, or maybe the belief that Nintendo has great power but doesn't show great responsibility? Some combination, or something else entirely?
Ah, so this one is a case of the scorned lover.