vitality sensor comes to mind... can't think of anything game wise.. maybe project hammer but it's not really an establish ip
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vitality sensor comes to mind... can't think of anything game wise.. maybe project hammer but it's not really an establish ip
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Captain Smoker
Member
And I'm still searching for a franchise that changed like The Legend of Zelda did.
how about jim sterling
mario kart 7 - 5/10
"Mario Kart 7 is as derivative as a game can get...an unadventurous and predictable retread. Mario Kart is in need of a severe shake up."
call of duty MW3 - 9.5/10
"Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 treads familiar ground and focuses on tweaking rather than reinventing, and that's just fine. While there are no major revelations or surprises, this is still a gorgeously produced package that gives military shooter fans exactly what they want."
mario kart, with its seventh game in over 2 decades time, focuses on polishing existing mechanics and giving fans what they want? 5/10
CoD does the same, with its 8th game in less than 10 years? 9.5/10 goty!!
Jest Chillin
Member
Why is that though? Especially considering that a lot of these IP's aren't easily remembered. An argument can be made that Nintendo is unwilling to push these new IP's with the same vigor that they push the Classics.
Just for fun:
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank 2
Ratchet & Clank 3
Ratchet: Gladiator
Ratchet and Clank: Going Mobile
Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters
Ratchet & Clank Tools Of Destruction
Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty
Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time
Ratchet & Clank All 4 One
I doubt he complained about this as well
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank 2
Ratchet & Clank 3
Ratchet: Gladiator
Ratchet and Clank: Going Mobile
Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters
Ratchet & Clank Tools Of Destruction
Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty
Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time
Ratchet & Clank All 4 One
I doubt he complained about this as well
Yes they are trapped. It their safe zone. These are the same games that I was playing when I was a kid almost 30 years ago. Easy money at this point...
The biggest reason for the wii success was Wii sports and wii fit. They need something like this for the wiiu. Not more of the same game from 30-20 years ago. The nintendo fans went crazy because they announce these game last week but it just caters to their fans and does not sell systems like new IP can.
Wiiu needs a wii sports. It needs something new that shows how a touchscreen changes the way we game like the wiimote did with wii sports...
The biggest reason for the wii success was Wii sports and wii fit. They need something like this for the wiiu. Not more of the same game from 30-20 years ago. The nintendo fans went crazy because they announce these game last week but it just caters to their fans and does not sell systems like new IP can.
Wiiu needs a wii sports. It needs something new that shows how a touchscreen changes the way we game like the wiimote did with wii sports...
The delicious punchline to the joke, isn't it?
You left out All 4 One.
Pikmin/olimar, Pushmo guy, Dillion, Sakura Samurai Guy, Chibi Robo, and Captain rainbow are the first ones to come to my mind.
Edit: These are the newer guys i see having mascot potential if handled correctly. Nintendo creates new IP's often, they just dont follow up with them all.
Aquamarine
Member
This RIGHT HERE is the quintessence of video game reviewer agenda and bias.
It's true that they've developed a lot of new IP, yes. Now let's name the new IP they actually developed, promoted, and marketed as though they had the vaguest intention of crafting it into a success that could stand alongside or supplant their more common IP, rather than a one-and-done side experiment.
That's the difference here. When a Sony team wants to do a new IP, Sony gets behind it, they market the hell out of it, they spin up the hype machine, they treat it like an event. If Naughty Dog wants to abandon Jak and do a new series, if they want to abandon Uncharted and do Last of Us, Sony says go for it, we'll put everything we can behind it.
When a proven Nintendo team wants to make a new IP, we get Drill Dozer and Pushmo. Good games, sure, but they're clearly just side-diversions that Nintendo entertains inbetween putting the devs to work on the same ol' tentpole franchises they've always done. And it doesn't feel like even that is a thing that many teams at Nintendo have liberty to do. If the Zelda team wanted to take a break from Zelda and make a new IP, could they? If EAD Tokyo said they didn't want to do Mario and instead wanted a similar budget to do some new IP they had in mind, would they not be laughed out of the room? It definitely doesn't feel that way.
You have the occasional aberration like Xenoblade, but even that proves the point. I doubt Monolithsoft would have gotten to do a Xenoblade if they were already beholden to an established franchise, and it's exhibit A for Nintendo's failings at really getting behind new IP. It had a proven fan buzz and yet the fans had to pull Nintendo's teeth to even take notice of it for a western release.
This. Whether you liked them or not, SS made HUGE changes to the franchise.
GitarooMan
Member
It about the genres, as stated earlier. They seem reluctant to make new IPs in house in the Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart genres (three of the biggest). Where is a new action/adventure IP (something as fresh as StarTropics for its time)? Where is the new 3D platformer IP (e.g., Banjo-Kazooie (obviously not directly made by Nintendo))? Where is the new racing IP (Wave Race, F-Zero, etc.)? Their philosophy seems to be to not want to use in-house studios to make new IPs in these critical genres, and its an interesting point of discussion. Its a trade-off between risk of new IPs versus fatigue from these genres seeing the same characters.
Phanatic8390
Member
I really need to get around to playing Skyward Sword.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Nailed it.
pizzapizza64
Member
A lot more than people think:
Electroplankton
Pushmo/crashmo
Endless ocean
Flingsmash
Rhythm Heaven
Elite Beat Agents
Battalion Wars
Geist
And surely plenty of things I'm forgetting
If anything it's the press who're trapped by Nintendo's legacy, as they seem to discard anything that isn't a new Mario or Zelda.
The Nintendo Direct didn't focus Mario, Mario Kart or Smash. Those were just mentioned to keep people calm. In what was actually shown there were quite a lot of surprises, plus some more footage from 101 and Bayo2 which were certainly surprising when they were first announced.
The Nintendo Direct didn't focus Mario, Mario Kart or Smash. Those were just mentioned to keep people calm. In what was actually shown there were quite a lot of surprises, plus some more footage from 101 and Bayo2 which were certainly surprising when they were first announced.
Define "defensive".
The only "denfense" I see, is in this and the other (low tech) thread on which a some always have to bring the topic of age, as in been of a certain age means you're not supposed to enjoy Nintendo games anymore.
Or how "Ninty fans" only play "Ninty games" as if playing Nintendo games suddenly makes people oblivious to other games or technology.
But the response of the posts are to counter the idiotic remarks of "Nintendo has no new IPs", "Nintendo has no games". If that's been "defensive", then why would others be "attacking"?
Knux-Future
Banned
I always like that people list off like 10 or so franchises and go...why is this all we get?
"all nintendo has to offer is Mario (two types), Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Wii_, Animal Crossing, and such.."
like dude..that's a lot of damn games. Especially since most of them only hit like once a generation...twice at the most.
I would be hyped to see new stuff too but lets not act like Nintendo is a one trick pony here. They give people sequels to games/franchises they enjoyed on their older platforms...that's kind of a good idea.
Now if you don't like those franchises, fine. But don't say they don't have a variety of shit. Each Mario Kart has added something...not always for the better but something. There have been only 3 Smash Bros. The 3d Mario games are some of the most innovative games there are. And people HATED the new changes in ZeldaSS.
Should Nintendo find a happy medium? yes and it seems like they are trying to do so with some of the games they showed recently (a New RPG, whatever the fuck SMTXFE is, and their connections with Platinum will bring exclusive awesomeness to their console).
I honestly don't get what else they could do. Not make a new Mario or Zelda? Only to have fans bitch and moan about it not being there? Like c'mon. NSMB or Mario Party? yeah that can take a break because they stopped trying with those But every series isn't like that.
also it's not like these are bad games or flops. So what the what?
So it comes down to this; If you don't like Nintendo games, then don't buy a Nintendo console...quit be mad that it's not what you want and go elsewhere..there are a shitton of games out there. Nintendo doesn't have to be like everyone else..
I just find this funny that this board lost their shit over DmC or Tomb Raider's reboot because they lost the essence of their predecessors and yet some of the same ones are asking for drastic ass changes.
Some stuff is ancient and needs some improvement..I get that. But drastic changes? naw.
I hope whatever Miyamoto is cooking up shuts people up for a while...because these type of articles are sad considering Nintendo's output of new shit or revamps.
"all nintendo has to offer is Mario (two types), Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Wii_, Animal Crossing, and such.."
like dude..that's a lot of damn games. Especially since most of them only hit like once a generation...twice at the most.
I would be hyped to see new stuff too but lets not act like Nintendo is a one trick pony here. They give people sequels to games/franchises they enjoyed on their older platforms...that's kind of a good idea.
Now if you don't like those franchises, fine. But don't say they don't have a variety of shit. Each Mario Kart has added something...not always for the better but something. There have been only 3 Smash Bros. The 3d Mario games are some of the most innovative games there are. And people HATED the new changes in ZeldaSS.
Should Nintendo find a happy medium? yes and it seems like they are trying to do so with some of the games they showed recently (a New RPG, whatever the fuck SMTXFE is, and their connections with Platinum will bring exclusive awesomeness to their console).
I honestly don't get what else they could do. Not make a new Mario or Zelda? Only to have fans bitch and moan about it not being there? Like c'mon. NSMB or Mario Party? yeah that can take a break because they stopped trying with those But every series isn't like that.
also it's not like these are bad games or flops. So what the what?
So it comes down to this; If you don't like Nintendo games, then don't buy a Nintendo console...quit be mad that it's not what you want and go elsewhere..there are a shitton of games out there. Nintendo doesn't have to be like everyone else..
I just find this funny that this board lost their shit over DmC or Tomb Raider's reboot because they lost the essence of their predecessors and yet some of the same ones are asking for drastic ass changes.
Some stuff is ancient and needs some improvement..I get that. But drastic changes? naw.
I hope whatever Miyamoto is cooking up shuts people up for a while...because these type of articles are sad considering Nintendo's output of new shit or revamps.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
I sure as hell am. Brain Academy on the DS was one of the funnest most addicting games I've ever played. Knowing there's a brain age releasing for the 3ds and Wii U (I think) is great news.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Haha, I see. lol
Captain Smoker
Member
Even the 2D parts:
Zelda 1 -> Zelda II
Zelda II had a sidescrolling element + RPG elements + towns, etc.
Compare A Link to the Past, Minish Cap, Four Swords (Adventures), etc.
Baconsammy
Banned
Was half of MW3 taken directly from other COD titles?
Was looking forward to it on the 3DS too until they announced it was going to be 30 dollars. Sorry, Nintendo. Nope. There's an endless stream of "brain" games on iOS/Android for 99 cents or free.
casablanca
Member
Did you even read the entire message ?
Do you even understand i'm not talking about other companies? we're talking about N.
Where is my F-ZERO where is my STARFOX ? This is the kind of games that i'm talking qbout , they made me enjoy the GC.
Jest Chillin
Member
It's not that they don't have other IP's but that they don't PUSH them.
Isn't this the same shit that Sony gets for their Handhelds? That they don't actually PUSH the Systems and support it with quality titles and Marketing? Why is Nintendo above that?
whatsinaname
Member
I don't really care what the setting is as long as they keep giving me new game play experiences.
Take Kirby Mass Attack, a game in a similar vein to LocoRoco. I don't really care that Nintendo didn't create a new IP for it.
Take Kirby Canvas Curse, a game with similar mechanics to Ivy the Kiwi/Lost Winds. Again, I don't really care that Nintendo didn't create a new IP for it.
I would prefer new game play using the same IP as opposed to playing the same mechanics again and again across different IPs. (Medal of Honor, CoD, etc).
One might ask, why not have a game with new mechanics and new game play. The problem is they just don't seem to sell that well. Look at Crush vs Paper Mario. Look at LocoRoco vs Mass Attack. Using old IP helps in many ways. People who just want Kirby are happy. People who want new mechanics are happy. Easier for developers to concentrate on the game play when new artwork and engines are not taking up a disproportionate amount of time.
Take Kirby Mass Attack, a game in a similar vein to LocoRoco. I don't really care that Nintendo didn't create a new IP for it.
Take Kirby Canvas Curse, a game with similar mechanics to Ivy the Kiwi/Lost Winds. Again, I don't really care that Nintendo didn't create a new IP for it.
I would prefer new game play using the same IP as opposed to playing the same mechanics again and again across different IPs. (Medal of Honor, CoD, etc).
One might ask, why not have a game with new mechanics and new game play. The problem is they just don't seem to sell that well. Look at Crush vs Paper Mario. Look at LocoRoco vs Mass Attack. Using old IP helps in many ways. People who just want Kirby are happy. People who want new mechanics are happy. Easier for developers to concentrate on the game play when new artwork and engines are not taking up a disproportionate amount of time.
SolidSnakex
Member
Why do you continue to bring up these random franchises? What point are you trying to make? Unless he's reviewed any of them and praised them despite little changes (even though the last two Ratchet titles are very different compared to games before them), then it's kind of pointless. Here's his review of a long running franchise that many accuse of barely changing over the years
http://www.gamespot.com/madden-nfl-13/reviews/madden-nfl-13-review-6393175/
7.5
Miyamoto? New IPs? Millions of units? Alright, here's his recent output.
Pikmin series: created concept
Chibi-Robo: producer
Doshin the Giant: producer
Eternal Darkness: producer
GiFTPiA: producer
Geist: producer
Nintendogs series: created concept
Wii Sports series: producer
Wii Fit: designer
Wii Music: designer
Steel Diver: designer
Nintendo Land: producer
> 1 million units
> 25 million units
> 100 million units
Not bad for a single guy.
I get what you're trying to say but the list shouldn't the list look more like this:
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 2 (1999, PSOne)
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (2001, PS2, )
Gran Turismo Concept 2001 Tokyo (2001, PS2)
Gran Turismo 4: Prologue (2004, PS2)
Gran Turismo 4 (2005, PS2)
Gran Turismo HD Concept
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue: Spec-I
Gran Turismo (2009, PSP)
Gran Turismo 5 (24. November 2010, PS3)
I don't know why you're counting collectors editions as if they're different games.
And some more
But people only see Mario and Zelda and complain "More of the same".
Nintendo are about to release a second Luigi's Mansion, man it's hard to call that Trapped by legacy, ok it's Luigi but the gameplay is unique.
Meatvillain
Banned
What a gibbon.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah.
Assualt Rifles, Sub, LMG, Snipers, Shotguns. Nothing New
Over Half of the same equipment, killstreaks, game modes, attachments.
Seeing as though Multiplayer has logged infinite more hours than SP. Yes. Yes. Yes.
I think Nintendo is doing fine while Bayonetta has ONE game on other platforms it is still a rather new franchise and completely new on Nintendo systems. Similar things can be said about Fatal Frame. Nintendo is expanding their portfolio to reaching other audiences and looking at Xenoblade and X they seem to have won the checkpot.
casablanca
Member
Define "defensive".
The only "denfense" I see, is in this and the other (low tech) thread on which a some always have to bring the topic of age, as in been of a certain age means you're not supposed to enjoy Nintendo games anymore.
Or how "Ninty fans" only play "Ninty games" as if playing Nintendo games suddenly makes people oblivious to other games or technology.
But the response of the posts are to counter the idiotic remarks of "Nintendo has no new IPs", "Nintendo has no games". If that's been "defensive", then why would others be "attacking"?
I mean just look at the firsst page !
This thread could have been something a bit different and far more interessting with propositions and real discussions , all we have here is GIF's and lists.
Of course, this is ignored because it doesn't mesh with the narrative some people attempt to push.
You'd wish they are more trapped by legacy. So far, Nintendo doesn't have any problem not to make sequels or even spin-offs of dozens of their IPs.
Nintendo can be very narrow-minded, but their handling of the IPs is my least concern compared to every single big company in the industry.
Hey, I've bought lots of their niche titles, I've done my part, but I can't blame them not making sequels of games which aren't profitable while people buy 2 sequels of the same AAA game with the same formula in a single gen.
Nintendo can be very narrow-minded, but their handling of the IPs is my least concern compared to every single big company in the industry.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Are we really going to argue about which game is more derivative than the other? They both are. One is just criticized for it while the other is given a pass.
As far as Zelda goes, I think that series is the furthest thing from stagnant.
Jest Chillin
Member
Really? I'd say that Nintendo didn't push Kid Icarus. Everything that I saw regarding the game was generated by the fanbase rather than Nintendo. And you can't expect the Media to pick up an IP and run with it when the company that created it isn't bothering to push it.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Being down on Nintendo is the cool thing to do now.
They definitely pushed it. There were a lot of commercials and promotional items (the cards).
They definitely pushed it. There were a lot of commercials and promotional items (the cards).
Baconsammy
Banned
Uh huh. Mario Kart 7 recycled half of its tracks. Comparing that to a game reusing guns is hilariously bad. If you're going to do that, then every Mario game that recycles enemies is bad.