Edge: PS4 to launch in Europe in early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox

Anyone who owned one console will probably buy the same console again, don't you think. I know some factors like backwards compatibility (at least for digital purchases) will be very important. If someone have a long account and purchase history with one of the consoles, I think they will just move forward with it.
 
I'll buy one, this year or next it doesn't matter to me. Of the three current consoles the PS3 has been far the best value for myself, and that was late.
 
Big fail if true. Sony should know that the playstation brand is strongest in europe and they are doing everything to let microsoft get ahead.
 
doesn't make a damn bit of difference it's more powerful if it's so hard to convert games for it


Sony can't have another generation of inferior ports, at least be 100% on with the Xbox 720 version
 
Ken Masters said:
doesn't make a damn bit of difference it's more powerful if it's so hard to convert games for it


Sony can't have another generation of inferior ports, at least be 100% on with the Xbox 720 version
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Who says 'it's so hard to convert games for it'?

On the face of it PS4 sounds simpler than 720.
 
Other than social features, I think the image capturing can allow Sony to have people show off their games. Players no longer need capture cards, they can just upload a video and say "look how amazing this game looks." Bam, marketing at it's finest.
 
8GB GDDR5 heh?

Well I guess that thing about 8 and 16GB dev kits might not have been far off.

OldJadedGamer said:
PS3 is not region free. Mostly region free but there have been full retail games and demos that were region locked.
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The PS3 is region free. One game was region locked. Only thing I remember about demos was the first Uncharted US demo didn't work on PAL consoles. But that was a mistake quickly fixed.
 
SoulPlaya said:
Just be $400 starting.
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I'll pay $500. No higher.

People need to realize that there's inflation to deal with. Plus, why is it okay to pay $500+ for an iPad, but not this?

I loved my PS3 waaay more than my 360 this generation. I'm picking PS4 over 720 next gen. Fuck MS, I'm done with them after going through so many broken 360's.
 
phosphor112 said:
Other than social features, I think the image capturing can allow Sony to have people show off their games. Players no longer need capture cards, they can just upload a video and say "look how amazing this game looks." Bam, marketing at it's finest.
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Yup, it's really a great feature that benefits both the gamer and the parent company.
 
Hmm, is it right for the rumor to say last 15 minutes of play recorded? That sounds like a ton of space if done in good resolution, or less space if poor resolution.

Doesn't it make more sense to be 15 seconds instead of 15 minutes? So you can share that immediate moment that just happened?
 
phosphor112 said:
Other than social features, I think the image capturing can allow Sony to have people show off their games. Players no longer need capture cards, they can just upload a video and say "look how amazing this game looks." Bam, marketing at it's finest.
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Yep, although i fear uploads will be crappy quality on a Sony website.
Youtube upload would be boss, but hard time seeing this happening.
Maybe we can hope for localy stored videos, like GT5 screenshots, would be cool.
 
How about Sony that you launch in Europe and USA this years and Japan next year? It would make too much sense though. Hopefully this article is untrue.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
That's not true. For all intents and purposes, the EU27 is a single market and all 27 nations basically have the same rules. If Sony satisfy EU level regulation they automatically satisfy national level regulation.
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Having the same rules, doesn't mean it's one single big market. Even with EU standards each country has it's own specificities. Otherwise the video games market would be much more uniform across Europe than it is now.
 
8GB of GDDR5?


If the Orbis proves to be as powerful as these rumors are suggesting I will literally pay anything below $800 for this console.


I hope MS is at least staying within reasonable distance of Sony in terms of hardware capability with Durango. I want to see Halo 5-6, Forza 5, Gears 4, etc look as amazing as they can possibly look.
 
AndyD said:
Hmm, is it right for the rumor to say last 15 minutes of play recorded? That sounds like a ton of space if done in good resolution, or less space if poor resolution.

Doesn't it make more sense to be 15 seconds instead of 15 minutes? So you can share that immediate moment that just happened?
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It probably ships with a 2TB HDD, it's fine.
 
Ken Masters said:
doesn't make a damn bit of difference it's more powerful if it's so hard to convert games for it


Sony can't have another generation of inferior ports, at least be 100% on with the Xbox 720 version
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Why would it be hard? Its a similar architecture to 720. in fact the extra bandwidth and power should mean 720 games are a doddle to port?
 
Hope a record function really does become standard next-gen. With the advent of places like Twitch it could be huge.
 
AndyD said:
Hmm, is it right for the rumor to say last 15 minutes of play recorded? That sounds like a ton of space if done in good resolution, or less space if poor resolution.

Doesn't it make more sense to be 15 seconds instead of 15 minutes? So you can share that immediate moment that just happened?
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Fifteen minutes is ideal since that covers an average multiplayer match with room to spare.

It's worth noting that the PS3 has a rudimentary built in video editor, which may find itself in the PS4 too.
 
vazel said:
For people that like to be competitive it can help to see how better players play. This is going to be a boon to the 'play to win' gaming scene.

This feature is most likely running within the OS core and memory so it's not like it's taking resources away from games.
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I don't mean it's taking resources away from games, but perhaps from other things that could benefit playing directly, like say a Vita-like option to quit the game and start off exactly where you left off, or to view a walkthrough in the middle of the game if you get stuck. I just don't see the benefit of these kind of social networking additions.


Derrick01 said:
Nope I was sharing this new rumor with my friend just now and he said "Who gives a shit about screenshots? Who honestly cares about other people's screens?"

And....I couldn't really argue. I would likely never bother looking unless a friend took one and bugged me to look.
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Same here. I might see some point in recording a perfect lap in a game like WipEout for myself, but I don't think anyone of my friends would be interested in watching it, and the same goes the other way around. Perhaps it's an age thing, as I can't imagine any of the 30-40 year old people I know using the option. It might be different though, if there were some dirty scenes in games. ;)


shidoshi said:
Not to insult your opinion on the matter in any way, but I think this does benefit gaming. When people can do cool/fun/interesting things in games, and then share those experiences, that helps spread the word about the game and get more players. One of the things that really helped push Persona 4 in the West (beyond, of course, my awesome cover story for the now-defunct Play magazine *heh*) was Giant Bomb's play-through of the game. Video shows off a game in a way that text or screenshots can't. People had fun watching the Endurance Run, then decided that they wanted to play the game for themselves.

Building up a community around the games we play is a huge deal, and I think will be a must going forward to advance the industry. Being able to easily show off the things that make games enjoyable will help get the word out about those games, and get others to try them. That's hugely important in my mind. So, I'm super-hyped about the concept.

I also don't get the "I'll buy the new Xbox instead of waiting a few months" complaining. We've had to wait years and years to finally get successors to the PS3 and Xbox 360—a few more months is nothing. Life works that way, and it sucks sometimes.
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It might benefit gaming indirectly in the way you described, but it doesn't benefit people like me when playing a game in any way. I just have a strong distaste for this current social networking trend, where everything (even a simple meal) has to be shared for everyone to see.

I also don't get the "buy the Xbox instead" thing, but I am extremely pissed off for Sony once again treating the EU residents as 2nd class customers (with the sole exception being the amazing PS+ offerings). However, it doesn't mean I wouldn't be buying the system, as I'll probably be there day one.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
Yup, and this is the reason Europe will get the system last. Because it won't matter. It matters to the US and Japan to launch at the same time.
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In the uk it will, and im betting if its delayed people will see the new xbox with its new gfx power and a ms advert blitz will get a few people with generation fatigue to jump in. I know if ps4 is delayed it will be a down the line purchase for me. I know a few friends who own both saying first out gets my money they wont even be getting the both this time around.
 
Faster RAM doesn't takes away the fact that it has half the RAM of Durango.

It might not be a problem now but by its 4th year it will.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
PS3 is not region free. Mostly region free but there have been full retail games and demos that were region locked.
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You're the king of pointless semantics. It's the equivalent of saying if some points out ps3 plays discs.

"PS3 does not play retail disc games. Mostly plays retail disc games, but there are games you can only play through dd.

What is the point?
 
Hatten said:
Faster RAM doesn't takes away the fact that it has half the RAM of Durango.

It might not be a problem now but by its 4th year it will.
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Also - if some of the features that Microsoft is using such a substantial proportion of system memory to facilitate become genuine system sellers - Sony's RAM solution won't allow them to emulate these features later on, no matter how fast the RAM is.

This could still play out either way.
 
Hatten said:
Faster RAM doesn't takes away the fact that it has half the RAM of Durango.

It might not be a problem now but by its 4th year it will.
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From what I've seen it's mostly the newcomers to neoGAF that see this as a problem.

I prefer to believe our battle hardened veterans.
 
I have said it once and will say it again:

i-Lo said:
I just realized something: By now Sony would know from third parties what amount memory in XB3 will be available for "game development" out of the 8GB. If MS is allowing for it to be around 5-6GB then all Sony would have to do is go with 6GB GDDR5, or more precisely 5.5GB worst case 5GB (if OS is 1GB). A difference of around 512MB (in DDR3's favour) will not be of any significance.

So in essence, Sony does NOT need to match 8GB
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I do not expect Sony to pack 8GB GDDR5 unless they are willing to eat a large loss. If they go with stacked DDR3/4@1024 bit width then perhaps it is a possibility. Otherwise, 5-6GB is realistic maximum.

Hatten said:
Faster RAM doesn't takes away the fact that it has half the RAM of Durango.

It might not be a problem now but by its 4th year it will.
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Is it though? 3.5GB vs 5-6GB and 2.99GB per frame vs 1GB per frame as well. The GPU in PS4 is pitcairn that requires GDDR5 or its equivalent bandwidth to function adequately.
 
Takuya said:
One retail game one region locked no?
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Yes, and it STILL hurts. Fuck you Index Corp.

Also, I missed the 8GB of GDDR5 bit?! Bullshit, that'd take it nearer £500 than £400, which I feel is still too much to ask in a recession. 4GB is fine.
 
If Sony is taking the social media route, maybe they should make an integrated social medium for the PS4. Instead of uploading to Youtube/Twitter/etc, make it linked to something like PS4 social media app that is directly linked to your PSN account. Hell take it even further. Everybody having their own profile akin to facebook, but for gaming where you can send messages and post stuff on walls.

But yeah too much effort and it'll be too expensive.
 
i-Lo said:
I do not expect Sony to pack 8GB GDDR5 unless they are willing to eat a large loss. If they go with stacked DDR3/4@1024 bit width then perhaps it is a possibility. Otherwise, 5-6GB is realistic maximum.
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How woud that compare to GDDR5, or non-stacked DDR3?
 
Screenshots in all games is the one thing I absolutely wanted from the new consoles. Video is just the icing on the cake.

shinobi602 said:
So same as this gen. Sounds good.
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Only "same" if you ignore the “very simple to work with” part. That's exceedingly different from this gen. If one system is more powerful and easy to work with, that should do wonders for multi-platform titles.
 
Ashes1396 said:
Do you mean PS3 is region free, but not all ps3 games and demos are region free?
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Technically, all systems are region free. When they are hacked with CFW they all play games from all regions. The only time we will get a region free system is when the console maker makes it a violation of certification to have a region lock on a game.
 
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