Haunted
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Sure, as long as they don't replace actual games being shown. I like dinos and mousetraps and bath tubs as much as the next guy.
Sony and target renders...
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I would be a lot less critical of the 'braveness' of the visioneering around PS3 games at E305, given what Sony ultimately went on to deliver in several of their titles, than I would of the same kind of vision presented around the OS at GDC the next year, with Phil Harrison. I cannot recall if he qualified that presentation by saying these were 'visions'/mockups, but they presented something that was very definitely never delivered upon.
Made me skeptical when in the Vita reveal that showed the UI/OS using what appeared to be a mocked video. Thankfully that turned out to be a faithful representation in the end though.
Made me skeptical when in the Vita reveal that showed the UI/OS using what appeared to be a mocked video. Thankfully that turned out to be a faithful representation in the end though.
The lighting in the trailer definitely had more dynamic detail in the shadows, highlights, etc, and these things require more rendering time than the simplified cheats employed in Killzone.
Sure, as long as they don't replace actual games being shown. I like dinos and mousetraps and bath tubs as much as the next guy.
I am not sure if there will be any or not but its far more likely then when the PS3 was announced. They have a good number of studios now, many of which have been silent for quite a while.
Manmademan
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I still have a magazine with screenshots of how Mario Ultra would look.
And it wasnt anything close to what came out from Nintendo later
Not by a mile. The "project reality" fiasco was quite possibly the most egregious case of bullshots and wild performance exaggeration ever seen. But since it was more or less pre-internet not many people remember- or at least there's not as much evidence of it laying around.
Melchiah
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Sure, as long as they don't replace actual games being shown. I like dinos and mousetraps and bath tubs as much as the next guy.
Yep, I want both. Super Rub-a-Dub certainly delivered... A lot of fun when playing it drunk.
Enjoying advancements in graphics makes you a fanboy? Sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder.
BlastProcessing
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nelsonroyale
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Or they did it to generate hype, which they succeeded at, although the backlash afterwards probably ate into that.
I do?
Killzone target CGI vs real thing...
Yup they almost met that render. The only thing the CG render had is the wonderful animations and obviously the silky smooth framerate.
SolidSnakex
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They did target renders one time. And that was just for the PS3. For every other console they released tech demos, which everyone does, and trailers featuring actual game footage.
BlastProcessing
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Evolution_1ne
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way more than a chip on that ones shoulder, more like a mountain
PairOfFilthySocks
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And the butt-loads of polygons, and the smoke, fire and explosion effects, and of course the batshit-bananas texture quality.
But hey, continue to compare direct-feed Killzone 3 screens to low-res, compressed images of the CG render.
Barkley's Justice
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Spiderman tech demos! Spiderman font! We Spiderman'd the fuck out, son!! - Sony
The way Sony has always done this thing to hype their consoles with tech demos that we never see again in actual games is funny, especially considering times where they'll fib and say it's in real time (like the Killzone 2 tech demo). And at this point I would have thought people would have opened their eyes to this.
I suppose not.
I much rather see games. A ton of games. Not graphics. Graphics have come far enough for me that I am COMPLETELY satisfied with them as they are now. Unless they do something to emulate reality to a tee, I doubt I'd be as impressed as I once was.
I suppose not.
I much rather see games. A ton of games. Not graphics. Graphics have come far enough for me that I am COMPLETELY satisfied with them as they are now. Unless they do something to emulate reality to a tee, I doubt I'd be as impressed as I once was.
Manmademan
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well at least now we know who didnt read the thread before commenting.
Valkyria
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I'm new here, but your bias is sooooo clear.
I read the OP and commented how deemed fit. I wasn't aware I have to read through the whole thread as well.
I really have no idea what you are talking about.
la flama blanca
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This post is full of so much cancer.
Manmademan
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It might have been helpful. OP's premise for making the thread was proven false numerous times, most of the things he labeled "target renders" were demos running on actual hardware, and many posters helpfully posted videos showing that all but one of those demos and renders had been easily met or surpassed by actual games.
OP is now banned. no one is sure why, but the hilariously terrible OP probably has a lot to do with it.
In the original trailer Snake's moustache had some sort of procedural animation going on and had a higher poly count than some PS2 character models. In the end product I don't think Snake hits 20,000 polys.
Was the one demo you speak of the KZ2 demo? Because I could not believe it at the time and how people were.
But okay, thanks for informing me.
Manmademan
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Motorstorm, actually. That game doesn't look anything like it's target render, but it's the outlier.
KZ2 and KZ3 are close enough to the target render that it's effectively considered a hit goal. the animation is better in the CGI trailer, but the lighting and textures in the actual games is better, etc and so on.
No to the bolded.
One of the worst fanboys in this forum.
Wax Free Vanilla
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That demo was a quick and dirty GT2 port job. The Gran Turismo PS2 tech demo was never matched and GT5 didn't hit Vision's target. Also both Prologues featured higher res textures and better shadowing than the finished games.
Whatever Polyphony show for GT6 on PS4 we won't get it.
I think they met expectations there. Nobody thinks Killzone 2 looked inferior to their expectations. I also think that Motorstorm Pacific Rift was pretty on-target for that first Motorstorm video when it came to first-person visuals.
The MGS4 and Final Fantasy 7 caps in the OP were definitely surpassed by other games this gen on the PS3.
Metalmurphy
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Visually? lol, it threw it out of the park. Vision was nothing more then GT4 engine and assets with just more cars and pit crews.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072907456.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072849598.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/707/707039/vision-gran-turismo-20060510104952822.jpg
Yeah, honestly. They live up to their promises in terms of visuals pretty much every time.
Rubbish King
The gift that keeps on giving
I'd be disappointed if it wasnt this good
This gif is which game?
Beyond: Two Souls. PS3.
CyclopsRock
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I think people commenting on poly counts etc are missing the point a bit. Crazy high poly counts are not what made those videos impressive, it was the whole atmosphere and mis en scene which a) wouldn't have been possible on ps2 and b) a lot of people didn't think they could match.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Looks the same as an all standard GT5 race but with all the extras. Polyphony didn't hit that target.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072849598.jpg
Look at trees. Windows Paint lol.
Look at trees. Windows Paint lol.
JaseMath
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Holy fuck. That's not real-time...right?
Which game is this?
Manmademan
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If I had to lay money on it, i'd probably say it's prerendered using the game engine, as uncharted tends to do.
There's longer footage of gameplay that doesn't look QUITE as impressive, but its still an unreasonably gorgeous game for something running on a PS3.
flipswitch
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Got my PSX in may 98 as well and remember that dino tech demo. That thing is creepy.
You think this is still PS3? there's been no word of it, and I don't know if it is or isn't but this HAS to be a candidate for generation shift. Amazing technical show piece that isn't expected to sell more than a couple million? Please, it has PS4 written all over it IMO.
It is but it's a gif of an off screen video. That's the perfect combo to make a game look lightyears better than it actually does. I'm sure Beyond looks great but that .gif is super misleading.
Looking at these shots I hope they go back to the KZ1 style M82. The scope and grenade launcher make it look awesome. I actually just want their to be secondary fires on all the guns again.