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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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ultrazilla
Gold Member
If you're gonna throw "hypocrisy" around, better learn how to read better
and comprehend what I actually wrote, not what you want it to be.
I never once said they would be tied to the system. Read it again.
*If* they are going game codes tied to systems. Hypothetical based
on the OP sourced article.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Skip. If this "no used games" shit is ever implemented as standard I'm quitting console gaming.
Never turn to the dark side, Nintendo!
Never turn to the dark side, Nintendo!
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
The attach ratios are going to be fucking horrible FUCKING BRUTAL!
All those mid-tier games will literally vanish
Hell even those cake games, will vanish
How about all those Lego games that most play and try to sell back before the Trade-In gets slashed hella' quick
Well the Big-Big Publishers will enjoy some cash flow, but titles will get truncated and focus grouped to hell and fucking back
Most will by 1-5 titles a year, the most content worthy, *cough*COD, BF, Ass Creed, "Darling", "Dark Horse"*cough*
What will happen with the rest?
All those mid-tier games will literally vanish
Hell even those cake games, will vanish
How about all those Lego games that most play and try to sell back before the Trade-In gets slashed hella' quick
Well the Big-Big Publishers will enjoy some cash flow, but titles will get truncated and focus grouped to hell and fucking back
Most will by 1-5 titles a year, the most content worthy, *cough*COD, BF, Ass Creed, "Darling", "Dark Horse"*cough*
What will happen with the rest?
Oppo
Member
It sure sounded like that's what you said to me. Just parsing out "if" doesn't mean you didn't say it.
Good. This industry needs a good cleaning. It's like the scene at the end of The Day After Tomorrow where the astronauts look down on Earth and one of them says " I've never seen it so clear." We need to get this "used games are the devil" mentality out of the way so we can get back to an industry where gamers make games for gamers.
So are you implying this tactic is good because it gets rid of used games or are you implying you hope it leads to the console market crashing down?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Indie games ascend to the throne, DLC is abolished, every game is about feels.
I'm totally against the no used games idea but I believe we're headed for a crash anyway, so I say we get all of the misguided hatred for used games out of the way before the shit hits the fan. I'm ready to see the reactions from the industry when blocking used games doesn't save the day.
I see, so you're wanting the scapegoats to be out of the picture so the companies have no bullshit excuse to make? They'll just come up with more bullshit excuses.
Rumor has been popping up about both parties for a long time now. Either it is just testing the waters or not the full implementation is out there.
Neither MS or Sony have even officially confirmed there is a new console coming out
Both could say something like this : "We never blocked used games and we will never"
Their silence can be interpreted as a confirmation.
Vampirolol
Member
People are already accepting this...
That's a good advice and I think I'll just do that. We really need official information instead of these rumors.
I know.I see, so you're wanting the scapegoats to be out of the picture so the companies have no bullshit excuse to make? They'll just come up with more bullshit excuses.
Just let me have one moment of happiness before they think of something else.
I rarely ever buy used but I do rent and those rental copies account for a lot of games sold. I would assume ( hope) they realise this and don't treat it like they do the second-hand market.
i agree, but the worrying part was edge reiterating this with an editorial not long afterward. the other worrying part is that it's edge, and i don't think they'd just fuck around with their reputation.
if this is true, we must be missing some sort of crucial information, something about how second-hand games might be able to play on the machine given something like xbox live platinum.
Eh, if all of this is true, and if PS4 will block second hand games too, I could see Nintendo handhelds being considered as THE alternative that most will follow in the console gaming space (Steambox will be the alternative outside console gaming). It's just everything so absurd, we could see many Western publishers suffering while Japanese publishers shining again.
Why would folks go NIntendo handheld when they could go Wii U, or stick with PS3? One impact of this (assuming the worst case scenario) is I suspect folks would just carry on with the current gen for longer, especially smaller devs.
This would be my predicted impact. We would see if consoles could survive on just AAA. The small indy downloadable games, it may not even make financial sense for them to go on the next-gen consoles, when the PC has a much larger install base. This is especially true if the draconian restrictive policies MSFT has about cert costs remain in place next-gen.
I really fear for fighting game ports the most.
Honestly, if I were Sony and this info were true, I'd try to release 2nd, but hold off on announcing any used-game plans until it's too late for Microsoft to change things, then switch on them last minute. We'd be worried as hell, but Sony would probably get some goodwill out of it when they don't do it.
that's a pretty big leap. like the current/previous gen, everyone's already put their eggs in a basket. i don't see sony following suit, but if it did, i doubt consumers will do more than grumble as they dip into their wallets. if sony is the only one aside nintendo not doing it, then they might reap the benefits.
it would take something truly drastic for developers to change horses now. like, bigger than the wii.
Microsoft as always, do not comment on rumours. Seeing what happened to Gamespot's market value after that EDGE article... You can see why.
Many people will certainly stay on PS3 and 360 if things are really like this, especially if FIFA / COD will continue to be released for the current HD consoles for some years ( and I can expect this to happen surely: their installed base is just too big to be ignored right now). I was specifically talking about new consoles specifically.
I hate how reasonable, feasible and probable you make this sound. I hate it!!
One concern I do have about the current gen- when will MSFT/Sony shut off PS3/360 online play? Microsoft did shut off online play for the Xbox a couple years back.
Without BC, that could leave many games in the dark.
I could see the shutoff happening earlier this gen if the consoles struggle out of the gate.
As for the core gamer above, the economic times are worse now than they were at the launch of the 360, and MSFT's reputation isn't as good, so I could see some holding off this time. Especially if Sony stays free on online play and makes a point to list the costs of an XBL subscription over the life of the console.
Also will core games go day 1 if their favorite game isn't out there day 1? I suspect those games might try to wait until both are out. Being a launch title kinda sucks for sales. I know in my case, next-gen won't start unless VF6 releases.
Without BC, that could leave many games in the dark.
I could see the shutoff happening earlier this gen if the consoles struggle out of the gate.
As for the core gamer above, the economic times are worse now than they were at the launch of the 360, and MSFT's reputation isn't as good, so I could see some holding off this time. Especially if Sony stays free on online play and makes a point to list the costs of an XBL subscription over the life of the console.
Also will core games go day 1 if their favorite game isn't out there day 1? I suspect those games might try to wait until both are out. Being a launch title kinda sucks for sales. I know in my case, next-gen won't start unless VF6 releases.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This is a kind of D-day for those consoles..... countless patches, DLC, digital games. I suppose on that day, retro gamers hack the machine....
swordsman720
Banned
All digital bying things =/= you are the owner.
When the Platform died = you own zero things.
So I prefer a hard copy..
This has happened this generation. How is everyone enjoying Chromehounds? Surely everyone likes playing only the training mode! How about Capcom's online-only downloadable games? Surely those will be played when PSN and XBL disable the services for these platforms to migrate more to the next, right?
It's an infuriating hypothetical to fathom that these companies keep giving me and the more enthused consumer more ammo to support hackers in circumventing the platform, even if it brings in piracy. Nintendo's done it with region locking on 3DS and Wii U, and MS can easily do it here if they do something like this. I find it troubling that I have to cheer for people doing things these companies hate to get the most out of products.
What makes you think BC would help it? The Xbox online play shutdown affects Xbox games even if you play them on the 360.
If they are doing it then they are in no hurry to tell everyone about it. If they are not doing it they will still wait till after the 20th to see what Sony has to say about the whole thing.
SolidusDave
Member
I don't get the "people will flock to the non-evil systems" comments.
This would be true (maybe) if only MS prevents second-hand games, as in that case the PS4 would offer a real alternative (especially with MS not having the same first party output anyway), but it's much more likely that Sony will do so as well.
So you flock to what exactly?
PC? No second-hand games.
iOS/android on tablets etc.? No second-hand games.
WiiU? Technically way behind the next consoles, might as well just stick with PS360 then (which is probably the best option, I also don't see software support ending abruptly).
Handhelds? Same as above (and anyway not an alternative to home consoles&PC)
Announcing it will anger many, many gamers. But in the end I don't expect the actual impact to be very big / definitely smaller than the companies' possible gains.
I still think Steam/PSN/Live should simply offer an option to directly transfer individual games (retail or online-only) to other accounts.
This would allow to sell games (even online-only games, which isn't even possible now) but still kill off the big scale rip offs AKA Gamestop.
This would be true (maybe) if only MS prevents second-hand games, as in that case the PS4 would offer a real alternative (especially with MS not having the same first party output anyway), but it's much more likely that Sony will do so as well.
So you flock to what exactly?
PC? No second-hand games.
iOS/android on tablets etc.? No second-hand games.
WiiU? Technically way behind the next consoles, might as well just stick with PS360 then (which is probably the best option, I also don't see software support ending abruptly).
Handhelds? Same as above (and anyway not an alternative to home consoles&PC)
Announcing it will anger many, many gamers. But in the end I don't expect the actual impact to be very big / definitely smaller than the companies' possible gains.
I still think Steam/PSN/Live should simply offer an option to directly transfer individual games (retail or online-only) to other accounts.
This would allow to sell games (even online-only games, which isn't even possible now) but still kill off the big scale rip offs AKA Gamestop.
I don't see this is true. What will happen is that companies will only make "safe." games that they know will sell. Yeah this bodes well for COD and maddens of the gaming world but not good for companies who want to take a risk and put something different out.
Also don't I highly doubt that developers are getting more money blocking used games. The only people who are going to be getting the money are companies like EA and activision.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Seems like I'll go PC all the way except for the exclusives.
We already have that in the budgets where it's relevant, which have basically pared down to "shooter with RPG progression", "RPG with shooter controls", "popular sport sim", "Assassin's Creed", and "Final Fantasy". Back down on earth in the $5m-$10m range, where a lot of PC and domestic-market Japanese console titles live, there's plenty of room for experimentation and variety.
The fact EDGE of all outlets are reporting this adds a lot of credibility to the rumour though. Its not like your typical kotaku/polygon clickbait. At least, I hope not.
People saying Sony or Microsoft should comment on this are deluded. It's like saying Apple should comment before the next iPhone is out. We all know it is coming and in the case of the iPhone see pictures beforehand but that doesn't make a blind bit of difference.
There's not a cat in hells chance that either Microsoft or Sony are confirming or denying rumours for consoles that don't even officially exist.
The only people that are discussing this are people on forums like this. Do you think anybody else has any idea what the hell is being rumoured? No. 99% of the gamers that want these consoles will find out the facts after they're announced.
There's not a cat in hells chance that either Microsoft or Sony are confirming or denying rumours for consoles that don't even officially exist.
The only people that are discussing this are people on forums like this. Do you think anybody else has any idea what the hell is being rumoured? No. 99% of the gamers that want these consoles will find out the facts after they're announced.
BruiserBear
Banned
There are lots of ways for Major Nelson to say this without explicitly announcing a new Xbox is coming. Such as "don't always believe things you read on the internet".
That simple statement would send the signal to the online community that the day's big story isn't true, thus putting this whole thing to bed. They chose not to do that.
So that tells me they're not saying shit because it's true, or they're floating the idea out there to see what the reaction is, and maybe they don't make their final decision for another month or two. Either way they chose not to shut down the furor today.
EagleBurnn
Banned
Oh give me a break. Microsoft is well known for never commenting on rumors. This is no different. And just because EDGE keeps on writing redundant articles that we're eating up like it's Thanksgiving doesn't make it any less of a rumor.
People are are going to buy less games since they cannot trade them in. Anything not named COD, Madden and Assassins creed may have a hard time selling. Hell we are even seeing big named franchises such as Resident evil and DMC not meeting Capcom's expectations.
Maybe I am wrong but I have a hard time believing some smaller companies are going to spend money to make a game when people may only buy 5 games a year. We will see what happens.
Default response. Don't read anything into it.
giant_frying_pan
Member
They wouldn't comment on rumours and speculation.