The DmC Bug
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SneakyStephan
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punkmaggit
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Jotamide
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TheKaeptain
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God that game fucking sucked.
Why they never added DLC to that game is a mystery to everybody else. Who wouldn't buy Vergil and Sparda additions to Bloody Palace? It's so obvious to everyone except Capcom themselves.
Devil May Cry 4 would've been even more excellent if they cut out Nero entirely and made the Devil/Demon Arm one of new main styles that Dante could use. With that change though they would need to expand each chapter/mission to be longer, back tracking and other issues would be solved also.
Should have expanded Nero instead....its weird how many weapons and moves they gave Dante, who was by all means a secondary character...and so few moves/weapons to Nero....I thought the Nero section were much much more fun than Dante's...the style switching on the D-pad was horribly cumbersome
So this video made me reinstall DMC4 on my PC...and I just tried Downsampling for the first time.
OMFG, it looks SO GOOD!!! It really shits on most games released today too. That MT Framework man!! WTF is wrong with Capcpom?
Man...I actually went back to that after DmC. I used to love DMC3 but it felt incredibly dated and ugly. Ended up playing the original Devil May Cry instead which holds up much better, I feel. DMC3 has a great combat system with nothing else. There is not a single other thing I like about the game outside of that.
Majukun
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Then play Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja (360 version) to get your ass handed to you.
Appropriate use of this gif always makes me crack up.
Honestly, he just just play Bayonetta and NG2. Skip the older DMC titles.
Haunted
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Not really, no.
It holds up way better than DMC3, though.
toastyToast
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DMC1 is my favourite also.
No it doesn't. It's a classic, but DMC 3 SE HD feels much more modern and playable, while also having more depth to the combat.
..but I'm not a gamer.
inHallways
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Wow.
I had never seen this video before. Incredible stuff. Time to begin another DMC4 playthrough...
PIMPBYBLUD
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This is odd because I beat DmC then right into playing and finishing Bayonetta which I had for god knows how long.
Frosted
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That's your opinion. I think that DMC3 holds up incredibly well today, and not just from a combat standpoint. I know many people feel the same way.
Wolf Akela
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DMC1 is very rough on the edges nowadays. The input lag cant be ignored. Juggling was in its infancy. The only modern juggling you could do was shotgun hiking which only works on Fetishes.
I am currently replaying DMC1, and while it's combat is definitely rough, it still has one of the best presentation in gaming. Wish I could expand on what I mean, but I have to leave for class. Those that have played it probably know what I mean, especially when you look at the environment.
Wolf Akela
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Next to DMC3/4 it's flatout not as responsive. Feels a bit slower with Turbo off.
I tried to give DMC3 another shot after beating DmC on Son of Sparda.
I just can't. The controls are so awkward and unintuitive, and the camera is so, so bad.
Like, I use one button to swing my sword on the ground, but I use a different button to swing my sword in the air. The regular sword button just makes me do a helmbreaker. What? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
And to do a launcher, I have to hold one button, hold the stick in the opposite direction of the enemy, and then press the sword button. Same thing with dodging, except you hold sideways and press jump. Why make such basic moves so complicated?
Maybe the OP will have better luck than me, but I just can't rewire my brain to work with those controls.
To its credit, though, at least it let me remap the attack buttons to where they should be in the first place, unlike Bayonetta.
I just can't. The controls are so awkward and unintuitive, and the camera is so, so bad.
Like, I use one button to swing my sword on the ground, but I use a different button to swing my sword in the air. The regular sword button just makes me do a helmbreaker. What? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
And to do a launcher, I have to hold one button, hold the stick in the opposite direction of the enemy, and then press the sword button. Same thing with dodging, except you hold sideways and press jump. Why make such basic moves so complicated?
Maybe the OP will have better luck than me, but I just can't rewire my brain to work with those controls.
To its credit, though, at least it let me remap the attack buttons to where they should be in the first place, unlike Bayonetta.
You forgot to add that Stinger is a terrible double tap motion in DmC and the angel plus demon weapons all require an extra button input so their Stinger equivalent is double forward + trigger + Y.
Why make such basic moves so complicated? Also Dodge is Trigger plus direction plus Dodge button so its like pressing two shoulder buttons at the same time. No one should be using the basic dodge in the game, its vastly inferior.
Also Devil Trigger on two buttons. The controls in the old games are fine they are just different. Want one button dodge? Play Trickster.
Why make such basic moves so complicated? Also Dodge is Trigger plus direction plus Dodge button so its like pressing two shoulder buttons at the same time. No one should be using the basic dodge in the game, its vastly inferior.
Also Devil Trigger on two buttons. The controls in the old games are fine they are just different. Want one button dodge? Play Trickster.
call_kotaku
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Maybe because DMC3 really forces you to be proficient with certain mechanics before you can progress? I don't think there was ever a moment like that in DmC.
That said, not being able to roll in certain directions in previous DMC games might be a bit jarring if you're used to a dodge button, though it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the PS2 Yakuza games, but yeah trickster takes care of that. Plus, the skystar feels way better than air angel dodge in DmC.
That said, not being able to roll in certain directions in previous DMC games might be a bit jarring if you're used to a dodge button, though it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the PS2 Yakuza games, but yeah trickster takes care of that. Plus, the skystar feels way better than air angel dodge in DmC.
AcceptableGhost
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The older controls let you do significantly more with less, they are way more elegant.
DmC has some stuff that I think could be simplified further.
Like I said in the other thread, Stinger could've been dash + attack. Double-tapping is annoying.
Angel and Demon dodge could've just foregone the modifier triggers altogether. Dodge at the last minute for Demon dodge, double tap for Angel dodge.
But the issue isn't pressing multiple buttons at once. It's having to press the analog stick in a very specific direction that isn't always registered properly. It's imprecise and annoying.
The way DmC maps out the controls is infinitely more intuitive to me.
What can you do with the old controls that you can't do with the new controls?
Like I said in the other thread, Stinger could've been dash + attack. Double-tapping is annoying.
Angel and Demon dodge could've just foregone the modifier triggers altogether. Dodge at the last minute for Demon dodge, double tap for Angel dodge.
But the issue isn't pressing multiple buttons at once. It's having to press the analog stick in a very specific direction that isn't always registered properly. It's imprecise and annoying.
The way DmC maps out the controls is infinitely more intuitive to me.
What can you do with the old controls that you can't do with the new controls?
OccamsBlender
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Is it God Hand o' Clock yet?
AcceptableGhost
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Anything that used to be directional in nature is outright removed in DmC (other than stinger equivalents).
Just comparing gauntlets:
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/20...ove-list.htm/dmc-devil-may-cry-eryx-move-list
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh
Great moves like Kick13, Draw/Straight and Real Impact (!!!) are completely gone with no replacements along with other moves. All along with being able to actually target enemies!
call_kotaku
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Intuitive is a tricky argument because most control schemes will eventually become natural after a long enough time, it's only an issue if they're needlessly convoluted or unresponsive. The DMC3 controls are efficient and the game is designed pretty well around them, maybe you're playing the game like you would play DmC? It isn't nearly as forgiving and requires a lot more awareness.
Lock-on, as mentioned, plus better inputs for all the moves and more responsive weapon switching by tapping the triggers instead of being forced to hold them. Using O for the style moves or just spreading that function across the rest of the buttons is a preferential thing.
Draw/Straight is still in the game. Its called Snake Eyes. But yes DmC does way less moves with more buttons. Just compare Red Queed (all non EX moves) vs Rebellion. Its two buttons vs one but RQ still comes out ahead.
Not to mention that DmC has way less style moves. There's remnants of the style moves in DmC (Prop/Shredder, poor man's Parry, Fireworks, Air Dash/Dodge) but the amount of options is still less than DMC4 Dante.
Not to mention that DmC has way less style moves. There's remnants of the style moves in DmC (Prop/Shredder, poor man's Parry, Fireworks, Air Dash/Dodge) but the amount of options is still less than DMC4 Dante.
I will never in my life be this good in any DMC game. Holy shit. I have a freaking panic attack when trying to handle all the things Dante has in his arsenal. DMC4 really needed a boss rush mode or something.
It was my hope that if they made a Dante centric game, they'd incorperate most Sword master techniques into rebellion and that'd give them room for filling up SM with even more moves. Just imagine the variety in combo video's that they'd have.
They introduced Nero with a very limited moveset that you couldn't really max out with just one playthrough anyway. They eased them in pretty slowly. Also, it's not like you need to do ALL those moves to win the game, they can stick to a healthy variety of 5 or so combo's to play pragmatically. Nubs have no reason to cry whatsoever. And with Dante, just think of all the additional moves he'll have with his other weapons as well as Rebellion.
It'd be Cuhrazy.
But there's nothing stopping them from adding more Button-Pause-Button combos, right? It seems like it was just a specific design decision to only have one pause combo for each weapon.
I guess my question isn't what did they do that they didn't do in DmC, but what did that do that they couldn't do with DmC's control scheme. You could always add more weapons and combos.
Lock-on. Anything else?
Does it count for anything that DmC implements all those style moves you mention into one moveset instead of spreading them throughout different styles and making the player choose between them?