Lightning - "Why the hate?"
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Schala had the last word and no more needed to be said.
Box of Bunnies
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They're trying to push her as an iconic character when she's just not very interesting. She's okay in XIII but nobody cares about her as much as you do, Toriyama.
dreamer3kx
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Love Lightning here.
Twin Drive System
Member
She has the personality of a rock.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Lightning is like a silent character the gamer is suppose to project onto, except they forgot both the silence part and the projection aspect.
It's funny because if more people owned to this, these threads wouldn't harbor as many arguments.
We have a guy who frequents the Persona threads and loves Yukiko Amagi's design - but doesn't care for the character herself. And that's fine! The two aren't mutually exclusive. I like designs of characters in things I've never played/seen all the time. The issue is people try to argue Light is this great character, but with nothing to stand on. It's insulting to the actual, developed characters out there.
tiggerkiddo
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I only liked her when she was punching out Snow so to speak. That's about the only time I liked her. Otherwise she tends to come off as very flat, unemotional, uncaring, heartless, mean and yet Squeenix thinks she's the bees knees and sees fit to shove her into everything. They tried to go for the female Cloud and failed.
I'd go along with this. She herself isn't a problem for me, but it's more what her games represent.
Beelzeboss
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She was a bad lead and didn't really do anything to deserve the kind of attention she gets.
It would have been fine with just one game but now she's on her third.
It would have been fine with just one game but now she's on her third.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I played Final Fantasy XIII for 2 hours, I've never completed a final fantasy and I think Lightning is one of the greatest designed characters in gaming.
Genuinely.
Genuinely.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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what if lighting looked like this op
would you still like her
Cloud's kind of like Lightning, and he's cool.
Design and looks do go hand in hand with good character designs. There were many RPGs where I just couldn't get into because of terrible character designs: Star Ocean New Hope, Symphonia 2, etc. I even felt that way about Graces f and Vesperia even though they were good Tales' games. Same with WRPGs like Dragon Age II for example.
A good comparison is Titus and Zack. Both have similar personalities but I just never liked Titus because of his design whereas Zack is really a cool character.
As for character development, I don't think it was any different from past FF games. Most of them were very similar. I think FFVI had the best character development of all the FFs, and maybe FFIV.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Real talk!
Also everyone in here sayin she's as bad as Cloud are admitting they think Cloud is a fuckin trash character as well, right?
Hmm where to begin
I also like Lightning too, and I think she's cool, but that doesn't mean I don't notice her flaws.
1. Her tsundere, It's-not-like-I-like-you-or-anything schtik in FFXIII is so obnoxious. She has no reason to act the way she does towards the beginning of the game (ie: being overly aggressive towards everything), and I cringe like hell when she starts "warming up to her friends." It's like i'm watching a cheesy anime...
2. She has no character in FFXIII-2. The only thing I can remember about her in that game is that she wore shiny armor, fought with some purple dude and
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3. She's the face of FFXIII
I also like Lightning too, and I think she's cool, but that doesn't mean I don't notice her flaws.
1. Her tsundere, It's-not-like-I-like-you-or-anything schtik in FFXIII is so obnoxious. She has no reason to act the way she does towards the beginning of the game (ie: being overly aggressive towards everything), and I cringe like hell when she starts "warming up to her friends." It's like i'm watching a cheesy anime...
2. She has no character in FFXIII-2. The only thing I can remember about her in that game is that she wore shiny armor, fought with some purple dude and
turned to stone
3. She's the face of FFXIII
To be fair, she does tend to open up somewhere halfway through the game. Especially through Hope. The first time she smiled, my eyes nearly fell out of their sockets. Didn't think it was possible.
badcrumble
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Personally, I don't hate Lightning. I just don't get why people think she's special or deserves extra games. Her FFXIII design was gorgeous, though.
djplaeskool
Member
She doesn't really deserve the pedestal she's been put upon, but I actually rather liked her as a protagonist.
I think it's because I've dealt with a lot of stubborn people though.
In the end, she's kind of dull, but I didn't think she was obnoxious.
I think it's because I've dealt with a lot of stubborn people though.
In the end, she's kind of dull, but I didn't think she was obnoxious.
This.
YASS!! Worship the Goddess. Praise be Lightning!!!
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
The Final Fantasy XIII drunk/hangover tumblr gives Lightning more personality then she has in the actual game.
Cloud has the benefit of being a silent protagonist in his original game. He has an arc, but he's mostly your key to that world.
Lightning doesn't have anything like that. She's fully voiced and, according to Square, she isn't even the main character of FFXIII because the whole party are considered main characters.
The Xtortionist
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Lightning makes no sense. In 13 she's a demigod-level warrior who can slaughter hundreds of Sanctum troops and yet...she's presented as a military patrol grunt with no special training?
The whole game I wanted to ask "Where the fuck did you come from?"
The whole game I wanted to ask "Where the fuck did you come from?"
Fang IS this games' main protagonist. Well, her and Vanille really. Her responsibilities and goals outweigh Lightning's tenfold. Plus, her character is better, voice actress is better, she's prettier, less annoying, etc etc etc.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
This can be said about any rpg protagonist ever..
Werewolf Jones
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Good design but I'm at a loss to really describe her as a "character."
ChosenPredator
Banned
she's one of the reasons I have not touch a final fantasy game in awhile just waiting for some change to happen then i'll get back into it, I don't like her character at all.
djplaeskool
Member
Ha.
stealth Fang thread.
stealth Fang thread.
The Xtortionist
Member
It wouldn't have bothered me if the game didn't take itself so goddamn seriously.
Coffee Dog
Banned
She's very boring. One of the most wooden protagonists I've ever played. All of the characters in XIII save Sazh were just one note archetypes, though Lightning stood out in having no notes at all, and generally no personality.
Indeed he is still the best football player to have graced the pitch in recent years
You mean Vanille is the main protagonist of FF13. Fang has a good design and attitude, but she is essentially an accessory for Vanille. Out of all the characters, Fang probably got shafted the most.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Better get your monies ready then.
No. It's her as a character that made me dislike her. I think I had strong expectations when they had announced her as a strong female character. I was expecting a Major Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell) type character based on initial trailers and pics. I did not expect to see this overly protective older type sister character who could have resolved quite a few issues if she had talked and listened to her sister in the first place.
She was just boring and the whole "shut off my own emotions" kind of thing wasn't well put off. I can take emotionless characters but hers just wasn't that good.
It's been awhile so this is just a very basic explanation of why I dislike Lightning's character.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
And this can be said about any Final Fantasy ever.. seriously.. these kind of criticisms are a bit too general.
I'm actually surprised how many people are commenting on her design as being "attractive". I don't get that at all from her, her design is super conservative if anything. It's obvious Serah was the one designed to be hyper-sexualized.
I'll admit Fang is the best char in 13 though.
This very invalid point needs to stop being raised. In regards to Lightning, Fang, Serah and every other female character who has ever appeared or will appear in a video game. It says nothing about how a character develops and functions as a character.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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To be fair, I do agree that Square-Enix needs to do a better job in fleshing her character out and developing her relationships, etc.
But to be bloody honest, that's asking too much on them because I realize a lot of JRPGs show potential of good character development but they tend to fall short.
Which is why I accepted that and try to get the best out of the games. I learned it's not good to put high expectations with JRPGs especially Final Fantasy.
None of the FFXIII characters were all that great: Snow, Hope, Serah...absolutely horrible characters.
I don't think it's Lightning that's bad but the overall story in FFXIII was just bad and really didn't leave much room for good characters because everything was so superficial and shallow.
But to be bloody honest, that's asking too much on them because I realize a lot of JRPGs show potential of good character development but they tend to fall short.
Which is why I accepted that and try to get the best out of the games. I learned it's not good to put high expectations with JRPGs especially Final Fantasy.
None of the FFXIII characters were all that great: Snow, Hope, Serah...absolutely horrible characters.
I don't think it's Lightning that's bad but the overall story in FFXIII was just bad and really didn't leave much room for good characters because everything was so superficial and shallow.
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