Well not during high player count MP.
But Single player doesn't drop below the 20's
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/killzone-week-day-one-triple-campaign-dissection
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Well not during high player count MP.
But Single player doesn't drop below the 20's
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/killzone-week-day-one-triple-campaign-dissection
Am I the only one that sees a relation between helgast and nazis?
The first level on the first killzone with that fight in the trenches ( totally WWI), and just take a look at the helgast symbol. Nazis colors and style all over it.
That's why I find it hard to believe that we will ever get to play as an helgast.
The first level on the first killzone with that fight in the trenches ( totally WWI), and just take a look at the helgast symbol. Nazis colors and style all over it.
That's why I find it hard to believe that we will ever get to play as an helgast.
Yep I have precision aiming enabled but I'm still struggling with the controls. As for using hip fire I discovered that it is indeed better while playing this morning.
Am I too late to point out the new Enemy-type at around 5:05?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw
Crantius_Colto
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You mean other than them totally looking like space-nazis and a Hitler-caricature sitting at a table in part 3 (ok, one of the other guys looked a bit like stalin; maybe they are communist space-nazis)?
Liamario
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Totally disagree. The controls were improved, but they are nothing like battlefield. They still need work. To be honest, this conversation shouldn't even be happening. They made an expensive FPS and they can't even get the controls right.
Seventy_X_Seven
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There's a group of people who think you actually killed Visari's double or clone in Killzone 2 and that he is still alive. I'm not buying it, he's dead. Plus even if he isn't he was 52 in Killzone 2 so he'd be about 83 in Shadow Fall, likely dead anyways. But I'm sure that group of people will argue he was put into some deep sleep preservation chamber.
CyclopsRock
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I can't tell if you're joking or not. Everything about them is designed around the Nazi's, from the helmets to the trenchcoats, so no, I suspect you aren't the only one. But also, the Nazis had nothing to do with WW1. They aren't some returning bad guy that struck again in the sequal, WW2.
Seventy_X_Seven
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And similarly the Helghasts had nothing to do with the First Extrasolar War (all 3 games take place during the Second Extrasolar War).
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
There is credence to that theory. The entire opening of KZ3 and it's ending point to Visari being alive and at least having some foresight on the events that would transpire in the aftermath of both KZ2 and KZ3. Also consider that cryotechnology is being used to preserve him, I don't see why this theory may appear far fetched. Also his speech in the opening of KZ3 states, to paraphrase "I will lead from these days to the end of times".
Yup, this sums it up pretty well
Killzone 3′s Intro Cinematic Reveals Visaris Deception (Spoilers)
My only question if this is indeed the case, why would he stay quiet for 30 years?
I guess Limanima worded it weird but the main point is that it's doubtful they'd have you sympathize with a group they modeled after the Nazis.
But I think that at this point they've fleshed them out into their own thing and they can get away with having you play as them. It's like with the horde in Warcraft, on the surface they seem super evil but their motivations make sense as you go through their story.
-Amon-
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The dark side is strong in all of us. The Empire in Star Wars is modeled after Nazis too, but it's indeniable that have their fans in people who do not condone the Nazi ideals.
And the Empire has basically no excuses for it's course of action is the Star Wars universe, while the Helgast have many in the Killzone one.
velociraptor
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There is NOTHING wrong with KZ3's controls.
Liamario
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Lets agree to disagree.
The controls definitely take some getting used to. The controller hurts my hand when I play KZ2. The framerate never bothered me.
It would definitely be interesting to watch people's reaction to being on the same team as the terrorist who just executed two people (one civilian) in cold blood.
Seventy_X_Seven
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The only thing wrong with that is the link has the details wrong. There is no ship labeled with the ISA logo, when you see the ship leaving you can clearly tell that it was simply the nuke labeled ISA. Furthermore the ISA nuke is the "package." The reason they call it a "package" and not a nuke is because the Helghasts don't have a nuke and wanted to blame the nuking of their city on the ISA, so they were taking extra precaution to make sure no one knew what they had acquired.
-Amon-
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Well if you are on the other side you stay on the team that mass murdered a whole planet summing it up so .... it's a lose lose situation i guess.
The opening of KZ3 was clearly something that happened in the past.
That would have been awkward.
Helghast: Dude that was close. If you were a bit closer to the building you would have been dead. Here let me help you up.
Seventy_X_Seven
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You didn't mass murder the whole planet, you accidentally set off a chain reaction that irradiated the planet. You had no clue you were over the center of the pretrusite grid and it would do that. And not everyone on the planet died, as evident by all the refugees we see in Shadow Fall.
On the other hand, should you have let the Helghasts fleet escape at the end of KZ3 they would of went to Earth and mass murdered that entire planet intentionally. Never going to understand all the sympathy the Helghasts get.
KZObsessed
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Liabe Brave
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There is no such thing as "getting the controls right". The only way you can make controls wrong is if activating a control doesn't result in the labeled response (e.g. pushing "fire" actually jumps). Everything beyond that is design.
You may not like a particular control set, but that does not make them "wrong". There were people in Killzone 2 with high K/D ratios and enormous skill. The controls were obviously just fine for them.
It's a very bad idea to make all videogames play the exact same way. Let them stay diverse, and just skip the ones you don't enjoy.
Phoenician_Viking
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I am wondering, how come we see human species in the Killzone universe? It would be nice to see other species, not fight them human vs. monsters kind of way, but just expanding and enriching the Killzone universe. I mean Killzone is the only fiction anything about space that i know of which does not have other species, aliens.
Seventy_X_Seven
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And I like that, not every sci-fi needs humans finding other intelligent life quickly after setting for the stars.
Mikey Jr.
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Don't you think the fact that there are no aliens makes it original?
But I kinda do hope for the second game, they introduce an external threat and both the ISA and helghast have to band together to take them out. Imagine playing as the ISA and you see Helghast fighting alongside you?
Also, the ISA have changed their abbreviation to VSA.
No idea what it stands for. I'm assuming the broke off from the UCN and now it is the Vektan Strategic Alliance.
Chuck Norris
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It seems like the ultimate twist is to bring in a third alien faction that causes Heghast and the Americans to unite
If they ever plan to do it, I like that they have taken so long.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
UCN will show up with crazy ass high tech shit and start curb stomping everyone in sight...
The turn around moment will be in the middle of a firefight of epic scale...Helghast and VSA in cover, getting shot... attrition setting in and then a bomber completely disrupts the battle and blows half the area you are in apart. You wake up and look next to you and a Helghast shock trooper is looking at back at you. The both of you turn and look towards the direction of the explosion and down from a Troop Transport slide 8 sleek, large murder machines from earth. You both start to defend yourselves and eventually have to fall back into the safety of a building and retreat. This is where the conversation happens... and you make a Helghan BFF for life.
I could handle that.
The turn around moment will be in the middle of a firefight of epic scale...Helghast and VSA in cover, getting shot... attrition setting in and then a bomber completely disrupts the battle and blows half the area you are in apart. You wake up and look next to you and a Helghast shock trooper is looking at back at you. The both of you turn and look towards the direction of the explosion and down from a Troop Transport slide 8 sleek, large murder machines from earth. You both start to defend yourselves and eventually have to fall back into the safety of a building and retreat. This is where the conversation happens... and you make a Helghan BFF for life.
I could handle that.
SniperHunter
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not really...it's already been done before in Call of Duty (the no russian, killing civilians at aiport mission)
Mikey Jr.
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That sounds pretty cool if that happens in KZSF.
KZ4- You repel the Earth invaders. Helghast and ISA declare war on Earth.
KZ5- ISA and Helghast travel to Earth and fuck shit up.
KZ6- Destroyed Earth armies. Helghast move to Earth, and both planets are now in peace.
FIN.
I've been expecting this to happen for a long time. We haven't seen the UCN in any of the games so they still have a good deal of mystery surrounding them and evidently great technology.
Mikey Jr.
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The more I think about this, the more it needs to happen.
We cannot have another trilogy of ISA v. Helghast. Something needs to be shaken.
This is it.
We already have the BFF's. The protagonist in the trailer, and the other Helghast elite that's been shown in the concept art. There needs to be an enemy that ISA and Helghan can rally against.
Maybe the terrorist group is secretly funded by the UCN to incite another war so they can sweep up after.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Got a linky for that Helghast Elite?
And yes... I basically just can't imagine that GG would think they could get away with just rehashing the us vs. them model from the last 3 games. We know the Helghast are bad. We know the ISA fucks up at every possible opportunity. That's old hat. Something has to give.
Can you imagine if the UCN had been spending all this time developing war machines to walk in an just lockdown the entire sector? finally tired of the ISA not listening to orders and the Helghast causing so much shit they throw up their arms "These barbarians can't live without a master holding the whip to keep them from killing each other. Lets go lay down the law."
The opening for a quite scene where you and Helghast Elite guy are hiding from an overwhelming force and have to talk to each other in hushed whispers practically writes itself.
"They here because of you and your peoples wanton arrogance. If the Helghan people had taken this planet we would have been prepared for this..."
"Noise discipline. And you really think you could have handled this when you couldn't handle Alpha? Were in this together now. And the whole block can hear you breathing through that damn mask. Here... one of your filter cables is loose. . . . There. Fixed. Now shut up."
Mikey Jr.
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Heh, that would be something.
There you go.
Yeah, awesome premise. Really really hope they are looking at this.
TimeEffect
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I really do love how Killzone is a sci-fi shooter that is deeply rooted in human struggles. No weird aliens, no evil supernatural force, no vastly superior enemy, just the delicate cross pollination of human species as they venture into the solar system, trying to establish themselves yet fighting each other in the process.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Yea right before the main ISA force gathered in the city of Pyrrus would be my guess. Also pay some attention to the details in the opening of KZ3, why would Visari's daughter pull away from him in disgust, when moments before she seemed happy to see him... "father" *Visari's double then takes her hand and she now knowing the deception from what I assume to be some personal detail pulls away, having been fooled. There's insinuations that something isn't as what it seems to be. "Sir, we have to go the ISA are here" remember that line as the KZ3 opening ended? Why just tack that on if it had no value and the same can be said about Visari's speech, "leading until the end of days" should catch your attention... Also consider why would Radec kill himself as opposed to martyrdom and killing Sev and Rico and preventing Visari's supposed death or capture? Simply he didn't want to be caught and interrogated, giving up the ruse of the double and Visari placed in hiding. And finally KZ3's ending who might you suggest was in that capsule? I hold firlmly to the belief that Visari has masterminded his supposed death to simply have those who would vy for his position to be killed by the ISA and after the ISA had decimated his people, he would resurface and paint himself and his people as victims and use that as a springboard to garner more support against the UCA, not just with other Helghast but the other colonies as well. Remember that all colonies live in fear of the UCA for what they have done against the Helghast in the past, with his oratory skills, Visari could evoke feelings of rebellion spacewide.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
To me that doesn't add up, who would give them support after they've invaded a planet where they indiscriminately killed anyone? Also the theft of the nuke is known to the ISA and UCA and so is the Helghasts lack of a nuclear armament. So if a nuke went off it'd point to the Helghast, that along with the fact that what sense would there be in having an invasion if you were going to use a nuke? Obviously the ISA didn't want to indiscriminately kill people. It mirrors the dilemma the IS faced with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a land invasion vs a nuke and there the soldiers lives proved more valuable than the lives of the Japanese and so 2 nukes were dropped not the same thing here. Finally if Rico pieced together that Visari evacuated Pyrrus why couldn't anyone else?
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Heh, that would be something.
There you go.
Yeah, awesome premise. Really really hope they are looking at this.
Baaaaaaalllllllleeeeeerrrrrrr .....
Wouldn't mind switching between these two either. Cause that suit is too cool.
About the Visari being alive thing:
I've read a bunch of stuff (all covered in Allon's post) as well the fact they show his eyes as being green (?) in KZ2 and then in 3 durring that scene they are brown or some such nonsense. It would be kind of cool i guess... but it's 30 years on and I would kind of like to see the series go in a new direction like we've been talking. The two sides of the coin coming together for one reason or another. Visari would NEVER have that shit.
It would be especially cool if for the initial missions while you are working with your Helghast counterpart if he was all cool headed and open minded as the protag was. Understands that war is hell and is just doing his job. No racism or old world hate - just a soldier working with another soldier and the understanding/brotherhood that comes with that interaction.
Much better than another Visari monologue that rustles every living Helghan within earshot into a blood rage.
Not going to lie. This is getting me hyped.
We could all benefit from not doing that, however. Remember the Justice trailer for KZ3? One of the best trailers I've seen and it absolutely failed to deliver.
Heh, that would be something.
There you go.
Yeah, awesome premise. Really really hope they are looking at this.
Wow that is some awesome art.
I really don't mind playing as Helgan. Why Guerrilla is so insisting that players must play as ISA?
Why the fuck when someone mentions controls in KZ2 or KZ3 everybody tries to defend that with "you know weight !"
I is not about damn weight at all. Killzone 2 have 100ms+ input lag plus deadzones like mutherfucker. When they patched precision aiming they fixed a lot deadzones but still acceleration which they used was something out of Playstation 1 FPS.
Killzone 3 had a lot better aiming but still it was fucking annoying to fight with controls.
They need to fix their acceleration script.
I COD4 i can pull off headshots in seconds with few twitches in killzone 2 i had to correct many times my shoots same as Killzone3.
I don't care if gun has recoil, takes 1 second to shot or you screen shake. I care when i try to aim at something and i am offshooting because of terrible controlls.
Killzone2 controls were even worse than Resistance 1. It felt like playing PS1 FPS where things like lag, acceleration scripts and deadzones were something unknown to developers.
ShroudOfFate
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Weight/input lag and deadzones; it doesn't matter. It felt good. I had no issues with Killzone 2's controls. 3's tried too hard to be COD and the game was worse for it.
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