how much does it afflict you that next-gen (3DS/VITA/WIIU) is struggling so much?

plank said:
I'll give a year before I call the WiiU kaput.
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I think the system deserves to see Q2 2014 (at the earliest) before we can make a firm call on whether or not it's a failure.

While Nintendo's release "strategy" was flawed and the system itself has issues, once it gets better marketing, the necessary software updates, full VC launch, universal Miiverse integration with other devices (which basically creates a better Nintendo ecosystem including the Wii U) a slight price drop or at the very least more bundles, and actually has a decent system-selling library of games, it should appear as a worthy purchase. It's not going to put up Wii numbers and it may have some stiff competition with the other systems, but the Wii U at least deserves the chance to get its ducks in a row.
 
Baconsammy said:
I'm not sure it's people thinking that, but moreso wishing it would happen.
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Only blind fanboys would "wish" something like that. I think most people just want to keep expectations in check. There are no guarantees and people shitting on Wii U while saying the other systems are going to sell gangbusters are approaching with an unbalanced attitude.

Like I already said, MS and Sony would have to fail hard with their marketing strategies, game lineups, and pricing in order to sell as bad or worse than the Wii U. This is just being realistic. Ninty made definite and inexcusable mistakes that the other companies can definitely avoid if they know what they're doing.
 
Neither Vita nor the wiiU had a market to sell to.

At least one of the next gen systems is not going to have this problem
 
I wonder if sensible opinions that approach a wait-and-see angle, actually burn holes in some people in here. Like vampires and sunlight.

Doom and gloom everywhere, companies closing, consoles removed early from market, guaranteed success for systems that were half-shown a few days ago, or not shown at all yet...

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plank said:
I'll give a year before I call the WiiU kaput.
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I think we can start getting a more informed picture around this summer/fall. That's also around when people stopped giving Vita the benefit of the doubt and it became clear where it was headed.


Baconsammy said:
It isn't. It just had a month worse than any the original DS had, and in it's second holiday season in the US it was down in sales by hundreds of thousands of units, with software sales down as well. It's also struggling in Europe.
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I mentioned above exactly why that was: no Black Friday surge (due to no deals) and no holiday system drivers (sorry Paper Mario). Nintendo's advertising budget in Q4 also went almost entirely to Wii U in America/Europe. 3DS being down is mostly due to strategic/timing blunders on Nintendo's part. :/
 
lunchwithyuzo said:
I think we can start getting a more informed picture around this summer/fall. That's also around when people stopped giving Vita the benefit of the doubt and it became clear where it was headed.



I mentioned above exactly why that was: no Black Friday surge (due to no deals) and no holiday system drivers (sorry Paper Mario). Nintendo's advertising budget in Q4 also went almost entirely to Wii U in America/Europe. 3DS being down is mostly due to strategic/timing blunders on Nintendo's part. :/
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Which is odd considering Nintendo's own stated stance that they were going to push the 3DS much harder than the Wii U this past holiday. I don't know how there hasn't been a string of firings at Nintendo yet. You actually have to work hard to make this many mistakes.

Rash said:
Only blind fanboys would "wish" something like that.
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Obviously yes. And it's happening quite a bit. It's blind and stupid to the fact that Sony and Microsoft both have stellar support from internal studios as well as external third parties who themselves are heavily invested in the success of the two machines. I'm betting Sony and Microsoft may each go so far as to market their new consoles as well. That would be a big leap over whatever that was we saw Nintendo do this past holiday. Sometimes your mistakes earn you shitty sales, and it's not the fault of the nebulous "economy".
 
I have a bad feeling that Lego City is not going to give Wii U a much needed boosted in hardware sales. Nintendo's not doing enough to promote it. 15 days left, Nintendo of America, do something about it.
 
Gustav said:
As a developer and gamer I am very concerned and ready to jump on Steambox exclusively.
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I don't understand the Steambox at all, it's either going to be very over priced, or very under powered, neither of which is very appealing. Steam itself doesn't even have a PS3 or 360 size audience. If Valve launch a system, attempting to compete with the other two, no one is going to buy it, at least no one in comparison to the PS4 or XB3.
 
3DS is doing fine. Everyone and their mother knew it wouldn't put up DS-like numbers. Not with the rise of casual gaming on smartphones and tablets.

Wii U and Vita are doing poorly, yes, but the Wii U has only been out for a few months. I'll give Nintendo a year before I declare it a failure.

Vita's the only one I would really call a failure, but even then there still exists the possibility of a turn around, however small it may be. But third party support is drying up, and Sonys first party just doesn't have anywhere near the selling potential of Nintendo's.
 
Mileena said:
Some people define their next gen with a power leap. You're not more correct than those people by the way.
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Its a new system. It is a leap from its predecessor. It is a next gen console by nintendo. There is nothing else to discuss regarding what it is, besides the free-for-all personal interpretations of the word "next gen" and other mental gymnastics that in the end do nothing to change the gen its inserted in.
 
Mogwai said:
Apple releases new devices every year, and even half year intervals sometimes. Problem solved.
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Uh, what? Please don't tell me you're comparing Apple products to a game console. The desire for Apple products is bizarre.
 
Mileena said:
Some people define their next gen with a power leap. You're not more correct than those people by the way.
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It doesn't really matter how that person defines a gaming generation. There is already an established understanding of what it is and trying to say otherwise is like calling a dog a cat cause that person says so. You can but you'd be considered stupid for it though.
 
Doesn't bother me as long as the games keep coming.

And I'm sure you can't use the word afflict on its own like that.
 
Everyone and their mother knew it wouldn't put up DS-like numbers.
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Except Nintendo apparently, who have had very loft expectations for the 3DS in each of the last 2 years and will have missed both of them.
 
StuBurns said:
I don't understand the Steambox at all, it's either going to be very over priced, or very under powered, neither of which is very appealing. Steam itself doesn't even have a PS3 or 360 size audience. If Valve launch a system, attempting to compete with the other two, no one is going to buy it, at least no one in comparison to the PS4 or XB3.
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There's enough PCs out there. Valve doesn't need to rely on Steambox.
 
MYE said:
It scares me that we cant even get past this mentality. Its nintendo's next system, its next gen.
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It's not "next-gen" in overall grand scheme because it doesn't take leaps into the levels of power that the other systems are going to have. Just concede this because it's the majority view.

Nintendo is in their own bubble, so while they are next-gen in terms of themselves, they're not next-gen in terms of gaming as a whole, even with the new technologies in the Gamepad.

Just like with Wii, I consider Wii U to be "new gen." It basically represents a separate branch from other, more standardized generational line. Even though the Wii U has many similarities to the X360/PS3 in terms of basic software capabilities (i.e. sharing multiplatform games), Nintendo's philosophy puts it in a separate area where it doesn't rely on conventional generational thinking.

You're never going to win with the "Wii U is next-gen" argument. If people didn't think Wii was "next-gen" then they're not going to think the Wii U is either, even though the Wii->Wii U leap is greater than the Gamecube->Wii one.
 
Baconsammy said:
Which is odd considering Nintendo's own stated stance that they were going to push the 3DS much harder than the Wii U this past holiday. I don't know how there hasn't been a string of firings at Nintendo yet. You actually have to work hard to make this many mistakes.
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Yeah, I remember that too but it never materialized. Maybe because the stuff they were originally planning for Q4 (Luigi's Mansion 2, maybe Animal Crossing) got shunted to 2013, but there was still a pathetic lack of promotion for 3DS this past holiday. Even something like a late NSMB2 or general library reel (Layton, KH3D, Skylanders, PM, etc) would've probably helped out over Q4.

NOA specifically have been fumbling like crazy. They tried to do some decent bundles/deals in December after being asleep at the wheel on Black Friday, but it was just too late. And now Q1/Q2 (ie: the slow period) is overflowing with releases.
 
Gustav said:
There's enough PCs out there. Valve doesn't need to rely on Steambox.
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I didn't say they did. I don't get why you'd go Steambox exclusive, or anyone else for that matter. I love Valve, they're certainly the best developer in the world, but the Steambox seems to benefit almost no one.
 
metalslimer said:
Except Nintendo apparently, who have had very loft expectations for the 3DS in each of the last 2 years and will have missed both of them.
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The 3DS is performing decently. People saying it's failing are just looking at it in terms of Nintendo's expectations. I honestly think Nintendo has been way too arrogant coming off the Wii and DS. No one should put so much weight into their projected sales anymore. Just look at the actual numbers, not the comparison between expected and actual.
 
I don't know why people want systems to struggle, some people on here are talking like they are very happy the Wii U isnt' doing Wii numbers, no system should fail.

If the PS4/720 struggle right out of the gate than we should all worry about this gen, and yes Wii U is next gen :)
 
Esura said:
It doesn't really matter how that person defines a gaming generation. There is already an established understanding of what it is and trying to say otherwise is like calling a dog a cat cause that person says so. You can but you'd be considered stupid for it though.
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It actually does matter since for many years the generations were in fact broken down by power. ie 8 bit gen, 16 bit gen, 32 bit, 64bit. Call the Wii U next gen all you want. It won't make it next gen to me, but it also doesn't stop it from being the latest console from Nintendo. A meaningless distinction that starts far too many fights on forums.

lunchwithyuzo said:
NOA specifically have been fumbling like crazy. They tried to do some decent bundles/deals in December after being asleep at the wheel on Black Friday, but it was just too late. And now Q1/Q2 (ie: the slow period) is overflowing with releases.
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Yep, bad business to have such a glut of good titles in Jan-March, and few in Nov-Dec, but I'm not complaining. I think I might have bought more games in the first three months of 2013 than I did in all of 2012 for 3DS.
 
MYE said:
Its a new system. It is a leap from its predecessor. It is a next gen console by nintendo. There is nothing else to discuss regarding what it is, besides the free-for-all personal interpretations of the word "next gen" and other mental gymnastics that in the end do nothing to change the gen its inserted in.
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not really next gen.
 
Laguna said:
I agree. Price but also the high probability of an extented cross-gen strategy will lead to a slow adoption rate. Especially with the missing backwards-compatibility like PSP-PSV there won´t be a lot of incentives besides for the most loyal fans, while hightech-nerds will bet on more capable PC-hardware anyway.
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We dont know how the general market will react to the features PS4/Xbox 720 will have. We dont even know all the features they will have, especially for Xbox 720. If the lack of backward compability means make it or break it, then the consoles are not designed good enough. We also dont know how people will react to cross-gen games in these days.
 
Fusebox said:
It started struggling when it was launched, the price drop and games have helped considerably since then.
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The problem is that the big games didn't cause a large jump in continuous sales. Instead it triggered sales spikes, which is the opposite of what they wanted. If this year doesn't change it with the titles they've promised, nothing will.

Thoraxes said:
It's gonna be fun to watch all the bad sales for all the systems.
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See?
 
Fusebox said:
It started struggling when it was launched, the price drop and games have helped considerably since then.
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At least Nintendo took the proper steps to try to turn it around unlike Sony with the the Vita. They're content to let things ride out and hope that remote play with PS4 and streaming miraculously saves it somehow instead of getting third party support.
 
Rash said:
]It's not "next-gen" in overall grand scheme [/B]because it doesn't take leaps into the levels of power that the other systems are going to have. Just concede this because it's the majority view.

Nintendo is in their own bubble, so while they are next-gen in terms of themselves, they're not next-gen in terms of gaming as a whole, even with the new technologies in the Gamepad.

Just like with Wii, I consider Wii U to be "new gen." It basically represents a separate branch from other, more standardized generational line. Even though the Wii U has many similarities to the X360/PS3 in terms of basic software capabilities (i.e. sharing multiplatform games), Nintendo's philosophy puts it in a separate area where it doesn't rely on conventional generational thinking.

You're never going to win with the "Wii U is next-gen" argument. If people didn't think Wii was "next-gen" then they're not going to think the Wii U is either, even though the Wii->Wii U leap is greater than the Gamecube->Wii one.
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I dont really care what the majority refuses to accept. Mental gymnastics is what I see.
Power leaps that fall in line with what the competitor is doing is an arbitrary demand to define "next-gen", set by some people. One that apparently ignores what the words "next" and "generation" mean, and funny enough disregards everything else the platform brings to the table.
 
MYE said:
It scares me that we cant even get past this mentality. Its nintendo's next system, its next gen.
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It doesn't exist in a vacuum though. People have been playing Wii U-level games for a long, long time now. It's certainly not helped that Nintendo let the Wii stagnate and die whilst Microsoft pushed Kinect to the moon either.
 
Razdek said:
At least Nintendo took the proper steps to try to turn it around unlike Sony with the the Vita. They're content to let things ride out and hope that remote play with PS4 and streaming miraculously saves it somehow instead of getting third party support.
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PS+ and PS4 will be the saviors of the Vita.
 
I'm sorry, and this is gonna make me sound jaded, but I don't consider any of those three devices "Next-Gen". Not even a little bit... handhelds are not in the same market as home consoles and WiiU is... well, an "other".

Next-gen for me starts this fall, and not a moment sooner.
 
MYE said:
I dont really care what the majority refuses to accept. Mental gymnastics is what I see.
One that apparently ignores what the words "next" and "generation" mean,
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Skrillex is dubstep, tomatoes are vegetables, and the WiiU isn't really next-gen.
 
The amount of willingly blind 3DS fans in this thread (at least the ones I've seen) might prove how insular dedicated handheld/console gaming is becoming.

The 3DS is outselling Wii U and Vita for sure, but it's not doing terribly well. Considering what the 3DS and Wii U are following in the footsteps of (the DS and Wii), they're truly unsettling if you use them as barometers for the health of the industry.

The mediocre-at-best successes of these three devices definitely worries me for the years to come.
 
I dont think next gen will be a complete failure but I have real doubts we will see numbers like we did this gen.

Not to mention I think we will be seeing a lot more developers fall in the next couple years.. this gen was rough enough on them now imagine another expense boost to keep up graphic wise. I just don't think many AAA developers will find it financially sustainable. I also think more publishers will just keep playing it save releasing sequel after sequel... gamers will continue to get fatigued by that and shit will eventually hit the fan.


Not that it will be all bad, I am sure the rise of indie/smaller budget games will continue.. I just think sooner or later we will be seeing less good or different AAA games and I am sure that will piss off that crowd.
 
MYE said:
I prefered your post before the edit. Represented perfectly the arguments against it as a next gen system ;)
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Labels are never concrete, they change their definitions as society uses them to describe different things. I don't understand your obsession to think otherwise.
 
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