Ummm, he's the one who limited her with the syphon in the first place.
The limit goes away when you blow up the syphon.
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Ummm, he's the one who limited her with the syphon in the first place.
The limit goes away when you blow up the syphon.
Voice of Reason
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Exactly. Some people have to understand there's factual evidence that pieces the story together, and we're not speculative freaks trying to deduce our own meanings from the story.
Well yeah, but that last piece is so separate from the rest that there isn't any hard evidence to sway anyone, so you essentially view it as you will. So I guess the ending gives both kinds of...endings.
If you stayed for the credits of course.
Edit: And of course I agree that everything pre credits is factual and clear cut and concise. As well as this stuff can be anyway.
Voice of Reason
Banned
My friend didn't admit it, but it sounds like he felt entitled to a clear cut ending. Just because he invested so many hours in the game, he felt like he deserved an ending that explained everything out explicitly, even though the story is pretty explicit when you piece some things together.
Not really, Comstock's plan was to groom her into becoming the harbinger of doom.
I wouldn't call it "crap," but the last third or so of the original BioShock is certainly its low point. Infinite had a much more satisfying ending, both in terms of encounter design and story.
I think her knowledge of all things at the end just made her melancholy. She knows all....what happened and what will happen. Emotions don't play into it anymore...she's already experienced them in all the universes she's getting her enlightenment from.
She did seem sad at what she was asked (though you could argue she lead him to make that choice) to pull out the root.
-Pyromaniac-
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So what was ken getting at with the bioshock rapture stuff. Was he actually trying to make a point story wise, or was it just a fun touch in the context of infinites story?
i didn't hate it. the whole part where you discover the Big Daddy/Little Sister factory was pretty interesting. also, turning into a Big Daddy was really cool.
Meh, I prefer that Infinite has given me something to discuss here on gaf rather than just close the book on it.
Gareth Bale
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So do we have to accept that all of the universes where Booker could have made a choice or something could have happened that would break the story don't exist?
i don't really wanna derail this
, but i never understood why Jack needed to be turned into a Big Daddy, when i rescued all the Little Sisters...those ungrateful brats should be able to trust me without that!noope, just whatever you think looks better on Liz
I'm not sure what you mean.
We know lots of the tech in Columbia comes from Rapture (never explicit I guess but whats the point of thinking its anywhere else, especially as we go there at the end of the game), we visit there, then Elizabeth reveals all these universes are connected.
So, theoretically, when Irrational makes Bioshock Galaxy, the world presented there is a universe connected to Rapture and Columbia, as all places are.
Connected might be a strong word depending on what kind of interaction these universes have had with each other, but you know what I mean.
It becomes irrelevant.
If in one of the universes, Comstock dies on his way to meeting Lettuce, than he can't found Columbia and eventually rain fire down on the world.
Same thing if Booker dies in the Battle of Wounded Knee.
All become irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
It is pretty explicit.
Gets confirmed in Voxophones several times.
Basically it was just a way to show there are infinite possibilities, but they always begin with a lighthouse, a man and a city. I took it as reinforcing a template for future Bioshock games.
i don't really wanna derail this
lol
Lysander91
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Its amazing that Comstock is so repulsed by the man he had been pre-baptism that his whole life's goal becomes plunging the world into fire.
He mentions speaking to an archangel- do you think hes referring to the Lutece twins? The rifts? He seems to genuinely believe what he is doing is worth every evil leading to mankind's judgement, which makes him so fascinating.
He mentions speaking to an archangel- do you think hes referring to the Lutece twins? The rifts? He seems to genuinely believe what he is doing is worth every evil leading to mankind's judgement, which makes him so fascinating.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
interesting. I'd kind of prefer it as a bookend to bioshock games.
I'm thinking some Vox Poppuli stuff. Centered around Daisy or something.
i hope not, they were so not interesting. turned into the same boring fanatics like Comstock's people.
EliteArtist
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How was it confirmed? I don't quite remember hearing a lot about the tech behind Columbia in Voxophones. I know I missed some though, so it'd be nice to know what I missed.
There's one Voxophone thats chilling in retrospect.
The one were Comstock talks about Wounded Knee...how he got no respect from fellow soldiers because they thought he had some Indian in him....so to prove them wrong he sets a....I think family (I think I'm wrong on that...its more than just a family) on fire with the door locked. That's Booker he's talking about...the same guy we're playing as.
They don't doubt he's a white man after that.
The one were Comstock talks about Wounded Knee...how he got no respect from fellow soldiers because they thought he had some Indian in him....so to prove them wrong he sets a....I think family (I think I'm wrong on that...its more than just a family) on fire with the door locked. That's Booker he's talking about...the same guy we're playing as.
They don't doubt he's a white man after that.
Escape Goat
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How is it they have all this techno magic and its only the early 1900s? Is it just another instance of alternate realities developing at differently? I've never played a Bioshock before Infinite.
which was pretty offputting to me, like they were consciously cast as being importantly similar to comstock/nationalists which doesnt gel with me at all
guyz when all the elizabeth's show up at the end of the game, it's totally a reference to how a lot of people in the game have the exact same face
Multiple Bookers (everytime you die without Liz to pull you up) but I'm pretty sure they all have the AD sign. You just don't look at it till it's pointed out...I think.
They were stealing technology from the future and other universes using the tears. Well Lady Lutece came up with some stuff (quantum mechanics) herself but they stole hell of a lot more.
the same face issue didn't bother me. got used to it from games like Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect. seems to be a technical thing. maybe it'll go away next gen.
Escape Goat
Member
Ah, i totally missed that. I knew they could see through tears but didn't think they were crossing over.
Also, what was the deal with ghost Elizabeth?
Tears allowed them to peak at Rapture (and probably other stuff too).....but the anti grav stuff Luttece discovered before she messed around with Tears.
like I definitely have trouble identifying games where it doesnt happen, but for some reason, mebbe cause I'm older, it unsettles me more and more
a good amount of time playing this game was devoted to feeling really anxious as all these identical heads simultaneously turned and looked at me
the women on the beach were the ones that creeped me out by all looking the same. the dudes, i can forgive since they all have funny facial hair.
I don't think they were crossing over except for the Lutece's and Comstock but having windows allowed them to copy a lot of stuff. What excited me about this plot revelation was that it was used in Fringe (I reckon most people who like Fringe would lap up the themes in this game).
EatChildren
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It has probably been discussed, but what's the low down on the telegram Booker receives at the start of the game? Did it originate from the Lutece twins as a means of probing the probability of events unfolding?
yea, it's probably from the Luteces.
yeah
basically other bookers died in certain parts and the lutece were trying to make him avoid those moments
failing at it, of course, since it was all still meant to be
same way they were testing the coin flip even though it was always the same
I think they were trying to prevent him from drawing the ball at the raffle. It seems like that point was a constant though and there was no way of stopping Booker alerting Comstock to his presence .
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