You are forgetting about the neogeo handheld/ console thing.
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You are forgetting about the neogeo handheld/ console thing.
Just no man... Just no..
You can say what you want, but it is next gen.
I don't know why people get offended when people say the Wii U is next gen, it doesn't effect anyone.
I can bet for a Naughty Dog game for sure at launch...
And you must add FIFA 2014 and Pro Evolution Soccer 2014, two really big sellers.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Even being as conservative as possible, I can count 15 N64 games I'd say are great.
Yeah, right.
Starfish Hero
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No, they can't. If they could, then all three would release cheap but powerful consoles. There's a definite trade off.
GremlinFool
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I'm sorry that I have higher standards for gaming than you do.
CrazedProfessional
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Let's be honest here if Nintendo goes 3rd party what are we stuck with? An always online console where you cannot hire or play second hand games and a RAMBox Extreme from Sony which is such a Wildcard, especially looking at the Vita "Dream Machine". Consumers will vote with their wallets if consoles become too expensive so don't snub Nintendo for trying to find the golden price point between affordability and power.
Date of launch doesn't determine the "gen"... it's impossible to compare PS4 with WiiU in terms of harware... another league.
But hey... be happy with your "next gen Wiiu" that can't run any of the new graphic engines for the real next gen...
Jinfash
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Heeeey... I thought you said you were playing Scribblenauts Unlimited!
You forgot Knack.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Apology accepted.
metalslimer
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If only you had higher standards for posting
Chinpoko_Master
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It's a next generation console with last generation features.
eh, they complement each other well enough. the ps3 and 360 were pretty underrepresented in the platformer arena until late in the generation when a lot of the download titles started to hit. those games don't get much exposure since they're not retail games though (stuff like sideway), so they are forgotten.
Steve McQueen
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I don't get it. If specs matter, can anyone explain why the 3DS outsells the Vita?
That Dinosaur game also, Primal something or other is shooting for launch.
Destiny should also be in there.
Thief will be on the horizon.
It really isn't even that hard to accomplish this. Wii U was almost there if you do a direct comparison of it to Durango in terms of design (not actual parts inside it). The recent moves at GDC show that they're at least attempting with indies, but where's the similar moves with bigger publishers.
This should be what they use to leverage the first point you made if they can't go above a halfway point of a PS4/NextBox without it getting too cost prohibitive for them. This is actually what they should have been doing for a large part of the Wii generation even with all of the growth they accomplished and the acquisition of Monolith, but it's still not enough and not in the right places. Where are the new EADs outside of Japan?
So do I. It's why I buy Nintendo systems.
Because it has games people want?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Even 3DS isn't getting good 3rd party support, though, so specs obviously matter a bit.
Specs matter for as much as they allow you to have development support.
metalslimer
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This lazy argument again? Just because specs matter doesnt mean they are the only thing thst matters. Besides nintendo fucked the wiiu up in 100 other ways.
Dave Meltzer
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If you count XBLA and PSN, I don't see how you can't say there's a pretty broad range of software available for those two systems. Three of my favourite platformers (Super Meat Boy, Braid and Fez) were on 360 and/or PS3.
Bingo Nintendo stuck in a time "warp zone" since 2006.
Starfish Hero
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No, that is exactly the definition of generation. There was no debate about this in the hundreds of years that the term has existed until the last decade.
But it really does, the difference between Wii U and PS4 isn't nearly as big as the difference between Wii and PS3.
Alright I'll be happy with my Mario U, Zelda, Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, Lego City Undercouver, Zombi U, Fire Emblem X Shin, Retro's game, as well as other games, and I can't wait to play Watch Dogs as well
And I'll be happy with my future PS4 as well.
The way I see it is, the Wii U might not be getting every third party game that comes to PS4/X720 but I look at the fact that the PS4/720 will also not be getting every Wii U game so I guess we all win.
Aquamarine
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Like I JUST said.....
Traditional view of "generation" = If the hardware competes with other hardware for sales
Developer's view of "generation" = How powerful the hardware is -> How viable is it to release a cross-platform title
Wii U =
8th generation (of consoles competing with each other at market)
7th generation (in terms of power)
Next-gen = A term that refers to power like 95% of the time
So,
Wii U = 7th gen in terms of power = Last gen hardware specs = Not next-gen
Beer Monkey
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It has limited motion controls, more limited than Wii.
Now name a game that requires Gamepad motion controls. Nintendoland maybe? Anything else? Anything?
Now let's name games that require that you use pads, thumbsticks, buttons, triggers? Basically ALL of them.
Games that use the touchscreen? Many of them.
Motion controls are silly optional shit that most games don't even use. Same on IOS and Android. Throwing accelerometers in hardware doesn't make motion controls a success. Motion controls are a fading fad.
EDIT: When is the last time you played a 3DS or Vita game that required that you waggle it? Gamers punish developers for requiring motion controls. You can't say that about any other input method. That is the best indication of how irrelevant motion control has become.
Besides the obvious like Watch Dogs and COD/Battlefield 4 which we know will be available this Fall. I wouldn't put all your faith in all those being at launch/launch window. I don't really doubt that Sony will move Heaven and Earth to try to make it as close to launch as possible, but delays do happen.
Heck, look at Wii U's launch lineup potential around E3 of last year. Games like The Wonderfull 101, Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, Lego City as well as a few more eShop titles (mostly indie games) were suppose to be there.
Your taste in games is odd...
Haunted
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rofl
Anyone disrespecting Blast Corps isn't worth replying to. Back when Rare used to be great. ;_;
They don't matter nearly as much for handhelds. Games are cheaper to make and you have to build a separate version anyway. The market is different, the situation is different.
Dave Meltzer
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I primarily play games on PC nowadays. The prospect of Nintendo games on PC is wonderful to me. I don't really care about whatever nonsense people are putting up with on consoles.
Disagreed. Just about every home console they've released since the N64 has had at least a few baffling design decisions that wound up hurting it in the long run. I love Nintendo's games and the idea of them creating their own hardware-software ecosystem, but on a certain level I admit that their engineering just isn't very good. It's the equivalent of some run-down restaurant on Kitchen Nightmares, and they need a Gordon Ramsay help them get their act together. Honestly, if the Wii U doesn't recover in a big way, they need to hire someone like Cerny and get to work on a smarter, more sensible successor.
This childish quarreling over semantics is idiotic.
I know it's fun to point at something and say "haha, you're not one of the cool kids" but shouldn't we be better than this by now? (I realize I'm asking this on an internet message board ...)
shinobi602
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Huh? Assassin's Creed 4 is confirmed coming this fall, as was Driveclub, Knack, The Witness, and Killzone at the meeting. Sure, they could miss their release dates, but personally I don't think they will.
Infamous is strongly hinted at since two devs put up a 2013 release in their LinkedIn profiles.
freenudemacusers
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you know it's bad when we are list-warring a console from 1996.
It's onyl one definition though. Developers and some publishers with major investment in 360/pse made up the "power" term for generation THIS LAST GENERATION. And it was only made up because sales of the HD twins for the first three years were horrid, so they needed something place them separate from the Wii to keep them all from being compared. Gamers and press just ate it up is all.
This.
The success or failure of the 3DS was never related to third party support from Western publishers.
Current technology.
At $350, Nintendo could have easily released the PS2 of next-gen.
Wait... you really think Nintendo would mess with PC configurations if they turn to 3rd party? No way, they'd stick to consoles to squeeze only 2 different configurations.
How could they take benefit of PS4/720 techs without having available 28nm manufacturing in 2012? At 350$? Would a large part of public be interested by a 400$ Nintendo console?
The GamePad actually has more sophisticated motion controls in it than even the Move. It supports nine axes of movement, versus the six of the Move and the Wiimote. It's definitely a less convenient means of controlling a game strictly with motion versus either of those two, but it's actually quite a bit more accurate than what's come before.
Maybe, but only if Nintendo were capable of designing the PS2 of this gen and selling it to third party devs the way Sony did. I'm not convinced either of those is realistic.
I mean other then the 3rd party games like AC4. Were they confirmed recently? Cool. I was mostly just saying that a potential lineup 7~ months prior is usually better then the actual lineup at the actual launch.
Basically no one is going to bother. It's not only a Nintendo problem, publishers don't want to waste time with Nintendo at all. i wonder if they tryed to go with the power route if it would change anything. the only possible saving that can happen is with the indie developers....
That's a valid point.
SneakyStephan
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It's not the same game!
Noone gets offended when people want wii u to be next gen, you get offended when someone points out it's not.
Actually, its not that laughable. Let's not forget that Mario Kart was bundled with Wiis, and the Wii was still a big seller then.
Hell, most of Wii Sports sales are attributed to it being packed in with the Wii. I often wonder how many it would have sold if it wasn't a pack-in. A lot, I'm sure, but I don't think as many as it did.
Has there been any numbers for Mario Kart, comparing the individual game sales to how many sold because it was a pack-in?
MisterHero
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It's unlikely because the other long-running excuse over support is that they have to compete with Nintendo games.
Nintendo making their own games is the worst
I think WiiSports Resort hit +10 million before it was bundled with Wiis. WiiPlay had 10-20+ million IIRC
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