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[Liberty4all]

I was reading on BBC that there are massive changes happening to the UKs welfare system.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21991953

I'm curious ... Under the current system how much does a single person get? How much will one get under the new system?

 

[Ripclawe]

This bit was funny.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html

900,000 choose to come off sickness benefit ahead of tests

Nearly 900,000 people who were on incapacity benefit dropped their claim to the payments rather than undergo a tough medical test, latest government figures show.

and the changes are not cuts, government has basically said screw it, we can't cut we can just manage the rise payments *shrugs*

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

This bit was funny.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html



and the changes are not cuts, government has basically said screw it, we can't cut we can just manage the rise payments *shrugs*

So would that mean + 900, 000 unemployed or is it already counted within the dole.

 

[Liberty4all]

In Canada a single person would get approx 600 dollars a month on welfare. How does the UK compare?

 

[Visualante2]

In Canada a single person would get approx 600 dollars a month on welfare. How does the UK compare?

Single person with no children, over 25? $440 CAD a month to cover food, utilities, transport, cost of job search and clothing. Does not include the cost of housing which comes under another benefit.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

I'm 22 I live in an area of England with the highest unemployment rate and I'm currently out of work.

My "Dole" per fortnight was £100. That is until I tired to claim starting January 28th. First the Job Center submitted my claim incorrectly entirely independent of myself. Then 3 weeks later i was told I needed to submit a reassment to cover the Job Center's mistake which i did promptly. Then I was told after 3 weeks of hearing nothing despite constant phone calls that I needed to submit my girlfriend who lives with me earnings details. Which again I promptly did. Cut to last week when I get a phone call saying because of her earnings and my status of a Joint claim that I would not qualify for Job Seekers allowance. For reference she works a min wage job with a maximum of 13 hours per week due to her University work taking up the majority of time.

Her wages are typically £300 but due to the fact she technically gets £1000 student loan 3 times a year (with only one of these payments left) "My income is too high to qualify for JSA"

For reference I live in a relatively cheap private rented property of £350 per month but simple math means I just cannot live with out getting into serious debt fast.

Income £300
GF Wage £300

Outgoings £510
Rent £350
Gas £30 (being optimistic)
Electric £30 (being optimistic)
Food £100 (2 people, 2 Pets 1 month)

As a note I attended all of my signing appointments and a secondary weekly appointment with a useless company who's sole purpose is to get me into work something which they did terribly.

I'm in no way lacking in qualifications I own a SIA License for security work, Iv got decent grades and my CV is full of experience in both customer service, shop and technical work.

Under the new scheme I have to pay an extra £100 in council tax.

Lets actually look at the changes with this "welfare overhaul"

The biggest shake-up of the welfare system for 60 years will see low income households in many local authority areas in England begin paying council tax for the first time.

Thinly veiled government money grab, These people were exempt because they simply could not pay that.

They also said that "what we're doing this coming week is making welfare fairer, helping to create jobs, and making sure you can keep more of what you earn".

PR speak, No new jobs will ever come from this and "keep more of what you earn" is never going to happen National Insurance and Tax are not going to change in the slightest.

"These are people - a quarter of a million in Britain, in cramped, overcrowded accommodation - desperate for a family home and there aren't enough homes and we've got to make better use of the houses we've got."

So lets get this straight, Not enough homes so your going to make the current homes unaffordable for the people in them with low incomes. So they are going to move out into the street I presume while others with more moderate incomes replace them

It has been estimated that two million low income households will pay more, as a result of changes to council tax benefit

.

This shows exactly how this system is not only flawed its in place to punish those with low income and earn the government more. 200 Million extra per month for the rich kids in parliament to take helicopters to their dinner dates which the low income households struggle to pay for dinner.

An overall limit of £500 a week on claims is beginning in four London boroughs, and will come into force across England, Scotland and Wales over the coming months.

Sounds reasonable until you understand that £500 is barely enough to last 2 bill paying adults a month let alone a family of 4+ who have more food to buy and more clothes to buy and a bigger home to pay for.



The welfare system in the UK was useless to start with, It's problems lay with abuse not the people who are actively seeking work or in legitimate need of it. Each case needs independent handling "broad sweeping changes" only serve to punish those are require it when those who don't still thrive.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

In Canada a single person would get approx 600 dollars a month on welfare. How does the UK compare?

In Australia, its about $600 (AUD) a fortnight.
Thats around 600 US bucks.

 

[Liberty4all]

Single person with no children, over 25? $440 CAD a month to cover food, utilities, transport, cost of job search and clothing. Does not include the cost of housing which comes under another benefit.

I'm including the housing benefit when talking about Canadian welfare. Its been awhile since I worked with OW clients but I remember it was approx 600 a month total. It was relatively easy to get another 125 for a transit pass too if you went to an employment program.

keep in mind average rent in Toronto for a room in a house is 400 - 500 a month.

 

[Visualante2]

I'm including the housing benefit when talking about Canadian welfare. Its been awhile since I worked with OW clients but I remember it was approx 600. It was relatively easy to get another 125 for a transit pass too if you went to an employment program.

Housing is very expensive, to my understanding there is a cap of £600 ($930 CAD) a month which many social landlords charge (because they can) and it gets you something real shit usually. There seems to be big flaws in the way this stuff is tiered, and not enough housing to go around in general. I'm not sure why it isn't better regulated.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I'm 22 I live in an area of England with the highest unemployment rate and I'm currently out of work.

My "Dole" per fortnight was £100. That is until I tired to claim starting January 28th. First the Job Center submitted my claim incorrectly entirely independent of myself. Then 3 weeks later i was told I needed to submit a reassment to cover the Job Center's mistake which i did promptly. Then I was told after 3 weeks of hearing nothing despite constant phone calls that I needed to submit my girlfriend who lives with me earnings details. Which again I promptly did. Cut to last week when I get a phone call saying because of her earnings and my status of a Joint claim that I would not qualify for Job Seekers allowance. For reference she works a min wage job with a maximum of 13 hours per week due to her University work taking up the majority of time.

Her wages are typically £300 but due to the fact she technically gets £1000 student loan 3 times a year (with only one of these payments left) "My income is too high to qualify for JSA"

For reference I live in a relatively cheap private rented property of £350 per month but simple math means I just cannot live with out getting into serious debt fast.

Income £300
GF Wage £300

Outgoings £510
Rent £350
Gas £30 (being optimistic)
Electric £30 (being optimistic)
Food £100 (2 people, 2 Pets 1 month)

As a note I attended all of my signing appointments and a secondary weekly appointment with a useless company who's sole purpose is to get me into work something which they did terribly.

I'm in no way lacking in qualifications I own a SIA License for security work, Iv got decent grades and my CV is full of experience in both customer service, shop and technical work.

Under the new scheme I have to pay an extra £100 in council tax.

Lets actually look at the changes with this "welfare overhaul"



Thinly veiled government money grab, These people were exempt because they simply could not pay that.



PR speak, No new jobs will ever come from this and "keep more of what you earn" is never going to happen National Insurance and Tax are not going to change in the slightest.



So lets get this straight, Not enough homes so your going to make the current homes unaffordable for the people in them with low incomes. So they are going to move out into the street I presume while others with more moderate incomes replace them

.

This shows exactly how this system is not only flawed its in place to punish those with low income and earn the government more. 200 Million extra per month for the rich kids in parliament to take helicopters to their dinner dates which the low income households struggle to pay for dinner.



Sounds reasonable until you understand that £500 is barely enough to last 2 bill paying adults a month let alone a family of 4+ who have more food to buy and more clothes to buy and a bigger home to pay for.



The welfare system in the UK was useless to start with, It's problems lay with abuse not the people who are actively seeking work or in legitimate need of it. Each case needs independent handling "broad sweeping changes" only serve to punish those are require it when those who don't still thrive.

Not possible to go and live with your parents?

 

[Liberty4all]

Not possible to go and live with your parents?

for alot of people its not. Broken homes, domestic abuse, kicked out, etc

 

[Visualante2]

for alot of people its not. Broken homes, domestic abuse, kicked out, etc

Not least the fact that you shouldn't fucking have to. It's lame living at home especially after gaining some semblance of independence studying away or having a job.

 

[Jimothy]

Not possible to go and live with your parents?

Way to miss the point entirely.

 

[i_am_ben]

Not least the fact that you shouldn't fucking have to. It's lame living at home especially after gaining some semblance of independence studying away or having a job.

This is not a good enough excuse.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Not possible to go and live with your parents?

My mother lives in a low income home raising my sister and my kid brother. I don't get on famously with her so that is not an option. Also it would mean room sharing with my brother and my girlfriend would in turn be homeless

My father lives in a small house with his new partner and values his independence imposing on them would be unfair it also again makes my current girlfriend homeless.

My girlfriend has family issues so living with either of those is impossible.

Iv been independent since 13. My mother and father split at 11 and I moved in with my father who has previous comments and worked day and night at separate jobs. His only contribution was paying rent and buying food something which a 13 year old is not able to do. Since iv grown up iv taken over paying the rent when he moved and i still live entirely independent of either parent.

Its not possible for my situation to "get better" these new welfare changes are in fact a detriment to me, Finding a job is borderline impossible in the place I live and moving is not an option at all because of the cheaper rent I pay at my current house.

 

[travisbickle]

This bit was funny.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html



and the changes are not cuts, government has basically said screw it, we can't cut we can just manage the rise payments *shrugs*

Not really funny considering people have died because of the stress associated with completing the means testing. Also, people who are unfit to work have been put back into work with dire consequences.

The reality is the most vulnerable in society are making rash decisions because they are being pushed into it by a government that are "social engineering like Stalin!"

 

[yogloo]

Not least the fact that you shouldn't fucking have to. It's lame living at home especially after gaining some semblance of independence studying away or having a job.

Better to be lame than broke.

 

[Visualante2]

This is not a good enough excuse.

So where do you draw the line? People could afford to move out of their parents houses a decade ago, we're creating a culture of dependency on the bank of mum and dad.

Better to be lame than broke.

Please don't take lame as some like childish argument. People aged 20-30 should not be living at home with their parents for an extended period of time. Sure if you want to save up for the deposit on your first house then a year or two at home might do you some good. But culturally it's very fucked up. How are people supposed to have lives and relationships with their parents breathing down their necks? Not least as noted, there are swathes of people who cannot return home. There's something very wrong with a society when young adults can't afford to live on their own. For reference 1 in 3 working age men under 30 live with their parents in this country. Not sure how that stat compares to other countries.

 

[Joel Was Right]

My mother lives in a low income home raising my sister and my kid brother. I don't get on famously with her so that is not an option. Also it would mean room sharing with my brother and my girlfriend would in turn be homeless

My father lives in a small house with his new partner and values his independence imposing on them would be unfair it also again makes my current girlfriend homeless.

My girlfriend has family issues so living with either of those is impossible.

Iv been independent since 13. My mother and father split at 11 and I moved in with my father who has previous comments and worked day and night at separate jobs. His only contribution was paying rent and buying food something which a 13 year old is not able to do. Since iv grown up iv taken over paying the rent when he moved and i still live entirely independent of either parent.

Its not possible for my situation to "get better" these new welfare changes are in fact a detriment to me, Finding a job is borderline impossible in the place I live and moving is not an option at all because of the cheaper rent I pay at my current house.

Perhaps going to University, and with it the financial support, is an option?

 

[MWS Natural]

Its not possible for my situation to "get better" these new welfare changes are in fact a detriment to me, Finding a job is borderline impossible in the place I live and moving is not an option at all because of the cheaper rent I pay at my current house.

Are there no bootstraps in the UK???

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Perhaps going to University, and with it the financial support, is an option?

Its not because I lack the qualifications necessary for a successful application and due to my age getting them requires I pay for the college course, Which then sets me back for 2+ years without any form of income during that time.

Then I go to University for a 3 year course living from student loans during that time and barely being able to pay my living costs and I come out in 5+ years ages 27+ into a likely still suffering job market with a 5 year gap in a CV a qualification that is going to be as equally useless as the ones I already have and tens of thousands in debt to a student loan provider.

Are there no bootstraps in the UK???

I assume your talking about situations to better yourself without aid? Very few infact virtually zero. If you cannot find work for whatever reason your very limited in options to make a livable income outside of crimes such as theft or drug dealing.

 

[Beautifully Shaped Monsters]

Its not because I lack the qualifications necessary for a successful application and due to my age getting them requires I pay for the college course, Which then sets me back for 2+ years without any form of income during that time.

Then I go to University for a 3 year course living from student loans during that time and barely being able to pay my living costs and I come out in 5+ years ages 27+ into a likely still suffering job market with a 5 year gap in a CV a qualification that is going to be as equally useless as the ones I already have and tens of thousands in debt to a student loan provider.




I assume your talking about situations to better yourself without aid? Very few infact virtually zero. If you cannot find work for whatever reason your very limited in options to make a livable income outside of crimes such as theft or drug dealing.

I know you have to do what you have to do, but I started a degree back in 2008 (CS at Queen's University Belfast) when I was 28. It was not an easy decision. Tuition fees had just been introduced, and I did not qualify for any loans (meaning that I would have to pay Tuition, about 3000 pounds per year, plus living cost at a reduced income because I couldn't work as much). I did because I was stuck in a dead beat tech support job and realized that if I didn't do something, I would drift from crappy job to crappy job and never achieve anything.

In my second year I was lucky enough to get student job in a field directly related to my degree, and while it paid slightly less than the crappy tech support job, it gave me valuable experience, plus I did my placement year with them and got hired by them after I finished my degree.

What I'm trying to say is that, even if it can seem like another obstacle, university might be an option to improve your situation. I'm not saying it's necessarily the right option for you, but don't dismiss it outright.

Regardless, I wish you the best, I don't envy you your situation, I know it's a tough place to be.

 

[Liberty4all]

I went back to college at 28. I had no choice but to move back home with my parents. With my wife.

It was a very hard point in my life, especially moving back with my folks, but you gotta do what you gotta do. It was that or no school.

 

[SteveWD40]

Are there no bootstraps in the UK???

Depends on the city you live in, London, Manchester and a few others have decent mobility and employment, some others not so much.

 

[gerg]

I think that referring to the holistic reduction of the welfare stare as "changes to the dole" doesn't quite do justice to the enormity of the Tory plans. (The Guardian has a more in-depth article relating to the specific changes that will take place: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/31/liberal-conservative-coalition-conservatives)

Depends on the city you live in, London, Manchester and a few others have decent mobility and employment, some others not so much.

Eh, even in London local councils are being forced to move people into increasingly distant counties because they can no longer afford to live in the capital.

 

[Psychotext]

Not really funny considering people have died because of the stress associated with completing the means testing. Also, people who are unfit to work have been put back into work with dire consequences.

Yup, but who cares? They're shirkers not strivers right?

When my mother was alive she had arthritis so severe that she was unable to walk more than a few steps and couldn't use her hands for anything particularly dexterous (she would struggle to hold a tea cup or a jar of something).

Apparently she was fine to work though, so received no assistance. She never did the test again because it was humiliating... and apparently pointless.

 

[kitch9]

So where do you draw the line? People could afford to move out of their parents houses a decade ago, we're creating a culture of dependency on the bank of mum and dad.

Please don't take lame as some like childish argument. People aged 20-30 should not be living at home with their parents for an extended period of time. Sure if you want to save up for the deposit on your first house then a year or two at home might do you some good. But culturally it's very fucked up. How are people supposed to have lives and relationships with their parents breathing down their necks? Not least as noted, there are swathes of people who cannot return home. There's something very wrong with a society when young adults can't afford to live on their own. For reference 1 in 3 working age men under 30 live with their parents in this country. Not sure how that stat compares to other countries.

Whilst I realise you are depending on benefits to provide you with a lifestyle you want, there are numerous reasons as to why benefits should not be providing people with the lifestyle they require and instead at least force people to have to make a few tough decisions.

Is a dependency on the bank of mum and dad somehow worse than the bank of benefits?

 

[kitch9]

Its not because I lack the qualifications necessary for a successful application and due to my age getting them requires I pay for the college course, Which then sets me back for 2+ years without any form of income during that time.

Then I go to University for a 3 year course living from student loans during that time and barely being able to pay my living costs and I come out in 5+ years ages 27+ into a likely still suffering job market with a 5 year gap in a CV a qualification that is going to be as equally useless as the ones I already have and tens of thousands in debt to a student loan provider.




I assume your talking about situations to better yourself without aid? Very few infact virtually zero. If you cannot find work for whatever reason your very limited in options to make a livable income outside of crimes such as theft or drug dealing.

You are right dude, no point even trying eh?

Aren't there are free college courses for guys in your position? My mate recently lost his job and jumped straight on one.

 

[user8503492]

Here in the states my brother and, I think about 3, of his friends get welfare and health care....they're all 100% healthy 23-28 year old guys who just refuse to work, plain and simple refuse to do anything but wake up, "mack bitches", get drink/high, watch TV/play video games etc..

They dont even try to find employment. They could cut grass, flip burgers, or be a laborer in some type of construction but choose not to even try.
A couple of them actually got motel rooms paid for them to live in also. Even the healthcare, while not the greatest, is better then some working people receive.

I'm usually very pro-social programs cause I dont wanna see people on hard times go hungry or kids sleeping in the street, but when you see healthy guys collecting a check and partying while you go to work everyday...it makes you pissed and you start to despise those who get a check no matter the circumstances.

 

[xbhaskarx]

If Britain makes sweeping changes to the dole, what will The Daily Mail write stories about?

 

[Batman]

Here in the states my brother and, I think about 3, of his friends get welfare and health care....they're all 100% healthy 23-28 year old guys who just refuse to work, plain and simple refuse to do anything but wake up, "mack bitches", get drink/high, watch TV/play video games etc..

They dont even try to find employment. They could cut grass, flip burgers, or be a laborer in some type of construction but choose not to even try.
A couple of them actually got motel rooms paid for them to live in also. Even the healthcare, while not the greatest, is better then some working people receive.

I'm usually very pro-social programs cause I dont wanna see people on hard times go hungry or kids sleeping in the street, but when you see healthy guys collecting a check and partying while you go to work everyday...it makes you pissed and you start to despise those who get a check no matter the circumstances.

People con the system every day, you can be a 20 year old and get proof from the doctor that you are scared of going outside and you can get approved for SSI.

 

[Liberty4all]

Here in the states my brother and, I think about 3, of his friends get welfare and health care....they're all 100% healthy 23-28 year old guys who just refuse to work, plain and simple refuse to do anything but wake up, "mack bitches", get drink/high, watch TV/play video games etc..

They dont even try to find employment. They could cut grass, flip burgers, or be a laborer in some type of construction but choose not to even try.
A couple of them actually got motel rooms paid for them to live in also. Even the healthcare, while not the greatest, is better then some working people receive.

I'm usually very pro-social programs cause I dont wanna see people on hard times go hungry or kids sleeping in the street, but when you see healthy guys collecting a check and partying while you go to work everyday...it makes you pissed and you start to despise those who get a check no matter the circumstances.

How much does a welfare recipient get in the US? Or does it depend on the state/city?

 

[StalkerUKCG]

You are right dude, no point even trying eh?

Aren't there are free college courses for guys in your position? My mate recently lost his job and jumped straight on one.

What? You clearly know very little about my situation and decide to make some baseless passive aggressive insult. Get off your high horse.

Like previously said if i was going to go into college id be required to pay and its something that I simply cannot do. I already do not have enough money to pay rent. Finding £1000+ extra for a college course is not reasonable.

Fantastic that your mate recently got into a free college course. Now look at the rest of England and the fact that over 2.5 million people are unemployed why don't we all just get on these amazing free college courses offered en masse? Iv inquired multiple times about available courses for people in my position its in fact It's how I got my Security License but they are few and far between and almost always filled by external job assistance companies (of which I'm on several books of) before they go public and I'm rarely put anywhere near placement for them because unlike the people who actually do get into those courses I'm dubbed "Highly Employable" by these assistance companies based on work history and attained qualifications.

 

[catmincer]

ITT people with no experience being a beneficiary comment on situations they have no clue about. It's not as fucking simple as "just doing a course". Not all countries can you do this. Even in mine (NZ) where we have decent social welfare you still need to get a loan to do any form of study and on top of this, mature student support is pathetic.

I am lucky that I have skills which mean being unemployed is unlikely but I fully recognise it's extremely difficult to upskill when you don't have the means to do so.

- Unemployment benefit is $206.21 a week if over 25. If you're 20 - 24 it's $171.84
- Student allowance is the same but you have to factor in that you need to pay for text books, transport to uni etc. It's actually pretty tough to survive on it.

 

[Danj]

If Britain makes sweeping changes to the dole, what will The Daily Mail write stories about?

Immigrants and cancer. Possibly both at the same time.

 

[surly]

I was reading on BBC that there are massive changes happening to the UKs welfare system.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21991953

I'm curious ... Under the current system how much does a single person get? How much will one get under the new system?

The benefits system is complicated, but if you're on Job Seeker's Allowance, which is basically "the dole", you get £56.25 a week if you're 16-24 or £71 a week if you're 25 and over.

You have to go and see an advisor every 2 weeks where you have an interview and have to prove that you've been actively seeking work. They can also send you on compulsory courses and "work activity programmes" and if you refuse to attend or just don't turn up, your benefits can be cut off for up to 3 years.

 

[akachan ningen]

the banks took your money. go get it back.

 

[kitch9]

What? You clearly know very little about my situation and decide to make some baseless passive aggressive insult. Get off your high horse.

Like previously said if i was going to go into college id be required to pay and its something that I simply cannot do. I already do not have enough money to pay rent. Finding £1000+ extra for a college course is not reasonable.

Fantastic that your mate recently got into a free college course. Now look at the rest of England and the fact that over 2.5 million people are unemployed why don't we all just get on these amazing free college courses offered en masse? Iv inquired multiple times about available courses for people in my position its in fact It's how I got my Security License but they are few and far between and almost always filled by external job assistance companies (of which I'm on several books of) before they go public and I'm rarely put anywhere near placement for them because unlike the people who actually do get into those courses I'm dubbed "Highly Employable" by these assistance companies based on work history and attained qualifications.

You post as if you've given up and there's no point, so the government should give you whatever you want.. I'm not on a high horse, it's you who appears to be on a Shetland pony. I lost my job a while back now (Over 10 years ago.)and I ended up having to go back to my parents until I figured it out, but I did figure it out and haven't looked back since.

You currently have financial shackles that are making you look differently on your position to what you should be. Instead of starting again, you can't and you are trying to carry on when you shouldn't be, especially if you have parents that will take you in for a while. There are plenty who don't have that, use it! There's no shame in using a tool at your disposal to get an advantage.

 

[cyberheater]

I'm all for it. I know of generations of families that refuse to work and are a cancer to our society. I'm sick of paying for them.

They sit in their paid for council house with their sky box and big flat screen tvs ordering tons of shite on the internet and getting fatter ever day. Basically scum.

If I could I'd cut their benefit and force them out to work. I would.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm all for it. I know of generations of families that refuse to work and are a cancer to our society. I'm sick of paying for them.

They sit in their paid for council house with their sky box and big flat screen tvs ordering tons of shite on the internet and getting fatter ever day. Basically scum.

If I could I'd cut their benefit and force them out to work. I would.

Bring back the stocks!

Lazy fat scum, they need to learn that free-loading isn't acceptable in our cut-throat capitalist society. How dare they suckle at the teat of my hard labour.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Bring back the stocks!

Lazy fat scum, they need to learn that free-loading isn't acceptable in our cut-throat capitalist society. How dare they suckle at the teat of my hard labour.

I think he should be ashamed to expect people to work for a living. That's a sucker's game.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

You post as if you've given up and there's no point, so the government should give you whatever you want.. I'm not on a high horse, it's you who appears to be on a Shetland pony. I lost my job a while back now (Over 10 years ago.)and I ended up having to go back to my parents until I figured it out, but I did figure it out and haven't looked back since.

You currently have financial shackles that are making you look differently on your position to what you should be. Instead of starting again, you can't and you are trying to carry on when you shouldn't be, especially if you have parents that will take you in for a while. There are plenty who don't have that, use it! There's no shame in using a tool at your disposal to get an advantage.

Its already established if your read previous posts that I simply cannot move in with parents without making my partner homeless. One of them simply won't have me and the other has no way to sustain me. I've also said that I am not getting any benefits from the government. My claim for Jobsekers was unsuccessful because of a "loophole" in my partners minimal earnings. My only option is to continue on the same path of applying for every job I physically can. However with 5000 other unemployed people in my town 1500 of those being in my age bracket and the other 3000 having much more experience my situation is unlikely to improve.

I live in a location with the highest unemployment in the country with little to no government funding supporting the unemployed. Entirely useless agencies who frankly seem more interested in making themselves look worthy of existence than actually getting people into work and as iv previously said I'm dubbed someone who needs less effort because I've had previous employment and I have a fair few qualifications.

Its not something I can just figure out most of my time currently is spent actively jobseeking handing out CV's Applying online for various jobs including apprenticeships (which would not provide me with any for of liveable wage but would hopefully allow me to get my foot in the door) Realistically without me magically getting thousands of pounds I am doing every available thing to get a job.

 

[catmincer]

Its already established if your read previous posts that I simply cannot move in with parents without making my partner homeless. One of them simply won't have me and the other has no way to sustain me. I've also said that I am not getting any benefits from the government. My claim for Jobsekers was unsuccessful because of a "loophole" in my partners minimal earnings. My only option is to continue on the same path of applying for every job I physically can. However with 5000 other unemployed people in my town 1500 of those being in my age bracket and the other 3000 having much more experience my situation is unlikely to improve.

I live in a location with the highest unemployment in the country with little to no government funding supporting the unemployed. Entirely useless agencies who frankly seem more interested in making themselves look worthy of existence than actually getting people into work and as iv previously said I'm dubbed someone who needs less effort because I've had previous employment and I have a fair few qualifications.

Its not something I can just figure out most of my time currently is spent actively jobseeking handing out CV's Applying online for various jobs including apprenticeships (which would not provide me with any for of liveable wage but would hopefully allow me to get my foot in the door) Realistically without me magically getting thousands of pounds I am doing every available thing to get a job.

Yup. I can fully understand how shit it is to be in that situation and I feel for you. Wait for the next genius suggesting of "Why don't you move somewhere else then?".

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I think he should be ashamed to expect people to work for a living. That's a sucker's game.

Indeed. I often feel like I'm a sucker, I'd rather be in state paid for bed, watching my state sponsored Sky TV with my state bought 50" flat screen 3DTV eating a state funded English breakfast.

Oh, one day. One day I shall live the dream.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Indeed. I often feel like I'm a sucker, I'd rather be in state paid for bed, watching my state sponsored Sky TV with my state bought 50" flat screen 3DTV eating a state funded English breakfast.

Oh, one day. One day I shall live the dream.

Yes, this describes literally every single person who is on benefits. No job, reliant on the state to feed and clothe and house you. The dream!

 

[catmincer]

This is pertaining to the NZ welfare system but I am sure quite a lot is also quite apt for the UK too.

http://werewolf.co.nz/2011/02/ten-myths-about-welfare/

 

[Log4Girlz]

Indeed. I often feel like I'm a sucker, I'd rather be in state paid for bed, watching my state sponsored Sky TV with my state bought 50" flat screen 3DTV eating a state funded English breakfast.

Oh, one day. One day I shall live the dream.

I can't wait for a Star Trek future man. I WANT REPLICATORS.

 

[alstein]

the banks took your money. go get it back.

That's got to happen at some point, if not from the banks, then the bankers.

If Poverty gets to be too bad, jail looks like a less bad option.

I'm worried what's going to happen to me in a couple when I likely lose my job soon.

Austerity is the worst idea in years. Is it the point of capitalism to benefit society , or of society to benefit capitalism?

 

[cyberheater]

Indeed. I often feel like I'm a sucker, I'd rather be in state paid for bed, watching my state sponsored Sky TV with my state bought 50" flat screen 3DTV eating a state funded English breakfast.

Oh, one day. One day I shall live the dream.

Don't forget to move in to your girlfriends paid for council house and then rent out your own to a family from Eastern Europe.

 

[GHG]

What? You clearly know very little about my situation and decide to make some baseless passive aggressive insult. Get off your high horse.

Like previously said if i was going to go into college id be required to pay and its something that I simply cannot do. I already do not have enough money to pay rent. Finding £1000+ extra for a college course is not reasonable.

Fantastic that your mate recently got into a free college course. Now look at the rest of England and the fact that over 2.5 million people are unemployed why don't we all just get on these amazing free college courses offered en masse? Iv inquired multiple times about available courses for people in my position its in fact It's how I got my Security License but they are few and far between and almost always filled by external job assistance companies (of which I'm on several books of) before they go public and I'm rarely put anywhere near placement for them because unlike the people who actually do get into those courses I'm dubbed "Highly Employable" by these assistance companies based on work history and attained qualifications.

Just out of interest, where abouts in the UK do you live?

Many universities offer foundation years (can be 2 years if you need it) to bring you up to speed for the degree course ahead. Degrees do make you more employable, youve got to chose your degree wisely and get some experuence related to said career path while doing your degree and you'll be in a much better position when you come out at 28. Look into it. Seek advice, seek help. There are plenty of people out there who are willing to help get you out of the position you're in, trust me, but you've got to be more positive about your options and at some point take a leap of faith, even if that means leaving your girlfriend and leaving where you live at the moment.

Let me put it this way... Would you rather get to 28 having tried to get out of the situation you're in now with something to show for it, or would you rather continue down the path your headed at the moment, not do anything radical to change things and then be in the same or worse position at 28? You need to make some choices, and sometimes in a situation like yours the more difficult choice is the right one.

Oh and 5 years out of work studying does not represent a 'gap' on your CV. You come out of it all a graduate. Potential employers would understand the gap.