Kotaku: Next Xbox will require online connection to start games

NullPointer said:
I don't choose not to be connected - the choice is usually made for me, and it does happen, often enough that I won't buy an always-online device if there are alternatives.

Why would I support a requirement to have an active connection to play single player games?
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Same reason people forcefully upgraded their internet connections then to support Ethernet. Because hopefully, they'll have a compelling reason other than "to watch you".
 
Alan Wake got a PC port, and wasn't so amazing I'd want the system for it (again.) I'll patiently wait. Or watch an LP. They'd pretty much need to secure a Souls game, and Sony'd more likely do that.
 
ced said:
After what consumers learned from Diablo 3 and Sim City, I just can't believe anyone would support that.
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As long as the xbox brand is strong and the big games come to the console, consumers will keep supporting it. If this turns out to be real, a big part of the consumer base will probably buy it without even knowing about the always-online feature.
 
Dreaver said:
The stuff that Nerfgun is saying perhaps doesn't make a lot of sense to some, but in a business way it certainly does. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is willing to drop some of their customers to ensure a strong(er) core which will pay of in a long run. They will try to suck people up in the Microsoft ecosystem and let them invest in it (who will spend enough money to compensate the lost subs).

It makes a lot of sense with it the new Xbox being some sort of set-up box. Even more apps and possibilities (which can be bought) and also dat ad $$$.

Like Nerfgun said, more customers is not equal to more profit. Sometimes it's better to invest in your core.

I'm not saying it's happening or smart, but I'm pretty sure that Microsoft has a VERY strong / concept to convince people if it IS happening.
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How many people got a 360 instead of a PS3 because that's what their friends owned, so that they could play online?

I can perfectly see Microsoft go with the strategy you mentioned, but now that online gaming is a pretty big deal, going for a small install-base may hurt them in the long run, since Sony can use the initial upper hand to cement the PS4 as the go-to system to play with friends.
 
Jomjom said:
When you say rest of the world you must be referring to third world countries? Against comparable 1st word countries, the US is still in the infancy of broadband connections. Pretty much every Asian country is like a decade ahead of us when it comes to internet speeds.

Last time I was in Japan I was sad to come back to the US because our internet service is such garbage.
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Wow, you should check soooo many things before making such statements.
 
Dreaver said:
The stuff that Nerfgun is saying perhaps doesn't make a lot of sense to some, but in a business way it certainly does. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is willing to drop some of their customers to ensure a strong(er) core which will pay of in a long run. They will try to suck people up in the Microsoft ecosystem and let them invest in it (who will spend enough money to compensate the lost subs).

It makes a lot of sense with it the new Xbox being some sort of set-up box. Even more apps and possibilities (which can be bought) and also dat ad $$$.

Like Nerfgun said, more customers is not equal to more profit. Sometimes it's better to invest in your core.

I'm not saying it's happening or smart, but I'm pretty sure that Microsoft has a VERY strong / concept to convince people if it IS happening.
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Why not try to convince the user base to be always online with features instead of force it?

If MS has some killer features then why make such an "insecure" move? MS knows that people are willing to pay for almost everything so why change this system now and loose some additional money? The core gamer will always be more invested in a gaming ecosystem - it's MS task to milk them more with additional features.
 
Non issue for someone like me that's always online with every device that's capable of it, even while playing my singleplayer console games.

Wake me when Microsoft is forcing everybody to buy an Xbox Live Gold account. You would swear that Microsoft killed some people's pets lol.
 
People keep bringing up Diablo 3 to support this but wasn't there a huge backlash to the fact that you had to be online to play it?, i certainly remember reading a lot of articles on it.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Non issue for someone like me that's always online with every device that's capable of it, even while playing my singleplayer console games.

Wake me when Microsoft is forcing everybody to buy an Xbox Live Gold account. You would swear that Microsoft killed some people's pets lol.
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If these Durango rumors are true, the bolded is all but guaranteed. That's how you get your subsidized console.

Silly.Mikey said:
Same reason people forcefully upgraded their internet connections then to support Ethernet. Because hopefully, they'll have a compelling reason other than "to watch you".
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Those are entirely different things. How is requiring an active connection for single player games an upgrade? What benefit could I get from this new requirement that I couldn't get with the Xbox's current online setup?
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
Global internet use btw.

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Doesn't mean their servers can't go down, or get hacked. NeoGAF's servers can apparently handle reddit and still went down. Sony's online got hacked and taken down like three times over the course of two months. Sim City was unplayable for I don't even know how long. It's more than just people having an internet connection, it's about being able to play even if something goes wrong on Microsoft's end which is not unheard of.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Non issue for someone like me that's always online with every device that's capable of it, even while playing my singleplayer console games.

Wake me when Microsoft is forcing everybody to buy an Xbox Live Gold account. You would swear that Microsoft killed some people's pets lol.
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Umm, if I could play the god damn multiplayer component of my $60 game without that shit, i'd fucking appreciate it.
 
Go for it MS... but it better not all be about you and controlling piracy and the used games market. I better get something out of it to, like 100% of game releases also have digital releases, and retail releases installed on the HD and I can never need the disc again, not even to "authenticate" on startup. And as long as Im in dreamland, I'm going to imagine you won't rip me off on the storage for this all-digital machine.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Non issue for someone like me that's always online with every device that's capable of it, even while playing my singleplayer console games.

Wake me when Microsoft is forcing everybody to buy an Xbox Live Gold account. You would swear that Microsoft killed some people's pets lol.
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I could have sworn you already posted you don't care earlier
 
Epcott said:
If this is true, the US market may be ok with the always on requirement, but the rest of the world may not be.

Unless I'm wrong and gamers in say... Dubai, Sao Paulo, or Dublin have the same consistent internet access as a gamer in New York.

But hey, MS is a US company, what do they care of world wide sales?
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There is nothing "consistent" about the internet in the US either. I'm on Time Warner and this stupid shit has been going down on me a lot. I even live in NYC too. Gonna have to call these guys up because it's gotten particularly annoying in the last month or so.

Wouldn't even think of touching stuff like Sim City or the Xbox 720 when my internet is this bipolar.
 
Ding-Ding said:
Difference is, if my ISP goes down I obviously wont be posting on free forums like GAF.

Not being able to play a game I own, on a console I brought, is quite frankly taking the piss.

Still at least MS will be consumer friendly for about 3 minutes... How very kind of them.
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So you are either worried that your ISP will go down, or that XBL will down for an extended amount of time like PSN was?

The intentions of my comment actually do not pertain to either of your concerns, which I agree with. I was just pointing out an interesting observation that I noticed.
 
Penguins&PolarBears said:
Yes x1000.

Here you have a bunch of people who are addicted to an online community experience who probably consume at least 90% of their daily entertainment/information online and yet are afraid of video games entering the modern era of always on and connected.
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We're not Quakers, man. The fact that we spend so much time with online games is the reason we are worried about outages.

As ThoseDeafMutes put it – not my internet, but theirs. If they demand I be connected 100% of the time, they need to promise that they will be up 100% of the time; a promise that even the most moneyed publishers and devs have trouble keeping.
 
Oracle Dragon said:
Go for it MS... but it better not all be about you and controlling piracy and the used games market. I better get something out of it to, like 100% of game releases also have digital releases, and retail releases installed on the HD and I can never need the disc again, not even to "authenticate" on startup. And as long as Im in dreamland, I'm going to imagine you won't rip me off on the storage for this all-digital machine.
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Hah I bet you lose "ownership" of the digital games in 5 years too.
 
Wait for the games... I highly suspect, however, that the entire thing a piece of garbage because there has been no official announcement.
 
How many times do some of you just not log onto your account because you want to play a game in peace? I sometimes go in offline mode in steam to avoid showing online, or because I'm modding skyrim and anticipate crashes (don't want "Ploid is now playing skyrim" popping up each time I reboot for people that don't have that turned off). If this is true, we'll have to stay logged on to play. Most likely the games tied to system is true, and maybe more inconveniences.
 
enzo_gt said:
He's the only non-anonymous source, one's that also got caught for what he's leaked. Who knows how up-to-date his info is. Everything else passes through the games journalism filter and remains anonymous.
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He has no proven insight into Microsoft's strategy whatsoever. He isn't an "insider." He would have no idea whether they're planning to require an online connection for games.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
Non issue for someone like me that's always online with every device that's capable of it, even while playing my singleplayer console games.

Wake me when Microsoft is forcing everybody to buy an Xbox Live Gold account. You would swear that Microsoft killed some people's pets lol.
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So we're supposed to bend over and take this just because its an "nonissue for you"?
 
NullPointer said:
If these Durango rumors are true, the bolded is all but guaranteed. That's how you get your subsidized console.


Those are entirely different things. How is requiring an active connection for single player games an upgrade? What benefit could I get from this new requirement that I couldn't get with the Xbox's current online setup?
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It seems to be what they are trying to do with all of their offerings. Office is being transitioned into a monthly/yearly subscription service, and there are strong rumours that Windows Blue is going to be the same. It will be interesting to see how much traction they can get on those fronts.
 
NullPointer said:
If these Durango rumors are true, the bolded is all but guaranteed. That's how you get your subsidized console.


Those are entirely different things. How is requiring an active connection for single player games an upgrade? What benefit could I get from this new requirement that I couldn't get with the Xbox's current online setup?
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I have no idea. But apparently, MS believes they have a good enough reason that most of us will.
 
Valkyria said:
Wow, you should check soooo many things before making such statements.
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Pretty much any article you will ever read states that we lag behind globally when it comes to broadband speeds. Obviously I'm not comparing us to countries like Afghanistan or something.

Our broadband connections are slower and our mobile connections are even slower.
 
Untalkative_Bunny said:
It seems to be what they are trying to do with all of their offerings. Office is being transitioned into a monthly/yearly subscription service, and there are strong rumours that Windows Blue is going to be the same. It will be interesting to see how much traction they can get on those fronts.
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If MS is going to do this stuff they should throw in the actual internet hosting itself with the package, and guarantee 100% uptime.

Silly.Mikey said:
I have no idea. But apparently, MS believes they have a good enough reason that most of us will.
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I also have no idea, which is exactly where all my worries stem from :)

Does anybody here have a possible benefit to the single player gamer here? Something that couldn't just as easily be done with a "sometimes" online connection?
 
GoofsterStud said:
Sim City... (Wasn't my side that was the problem)
Diablo 3... (Wasn't my side that was the problem)
Guild Wars 2... (Wasn't my side that was the problem)
Xbox Live during holidays... (Wasn't my side that was the problem)

Even in a world where your side remains up! Power might go out on their side, server goes down, or they get hacked.

Live has been down... The recent DRM games have been a huge pain. Don't want.
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Yeah that about sums up my experience as well. 99 percent of the time I have had problems connecting it wasn't a problem on my end, but theirs.

Anyway I for one think this rumor might have some truth to it. I assume some of the details are off, but this always online sounds like something Microsoft would do. After all the time they spent battling pirates on the 360 it makes sense from a business perspective to go down this route.

Not that it matter to me either way really. I don't plan to buy another Microsoft console, but I do find this rumor interesting. The fallout if this turns out to be true on GAF will be very entertaining to say the least.
 
after sim city and uplay i dont know how anyone can defend this shit,seriously i get some of you love your xboxes ( i have 3) but man,always online is moronic

and lol at the people how say this wont matter..if the ps4 doest have this system it will be a easy choice for a lot of people,dont undestimate hardcore players
 
NullPointer said:
If these Durango rumors are true, the bolded is all but guaranteed. That's how you get your subsidized console.


Those are entirely different things. How is requiring an active connection for single player games an upgrade? What benefit could I get from this new requirement that I couldn't get with the Xbox's current online setup?
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Even though Microsoft seem to be in their 'own world' regarding Durango, i just can't see even them making it so you have to have a Gold account to play games.
Or did you mean something else?.
 
Grinchy said:
If this is actually true, then Microsoft and Nintendo made it really easy to choose which system is worth buying.
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PS3 price ends up ludicrous, and then.... upgrade my pc with mid priced components, and just be on steam, and whatnot. It won't be so bad right?
 
Flatline said:
Imo even if it was true just a few weeks ago, it's not true anymore after the SimCity disaster.
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"Well, it won't happen with OUR servers."

There. That's all it takes.
 
Question....

Since there seems to be more people using 3G and 4G networks, will the next Xbox or even the PS4 support these connections/plans? I remember someone who used a 3G network and a friend of there's brought a PS3 to the house but couldn't connect as a result. So what happens with people who are online but not using the traditional cable/dsl model?
 
Always online doesn't bother me, since I am pathetic and use the Internet for everything.

But MS shouldn't limit our choices, and also, DRM sucks.
 
Absinthian said:
Wait for the games... I highly suspect, however, that the entire thing a piece of garbage because there has been no official announcement.
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Microsoft were pretty quick to deny the rumours that the next Xbox was DD only and had no disk drive.

They were also pretty quick to deny the rumours that it was going to be unveiled at E3 2012.

They were also pretty quick getting those leaked durango PDFs vanished.

THESE rumours though, they say nothing about.
 
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