Demonizing welfare and the lower classes is Tory 101. Every Conservative ever has done it and will do it.
Margaret Thatcher has died
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Acheteedo
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Right, but you were an adult when he was in power? We saw that shit first hand.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Ah, a Telegraph reader. The pieces all fall into place.
I would actually lay that one at the feet of Murdoch, it was happening under Labour as well and many Labour MP's hate the dirty poor's as well.
The Sun and the Mail have so many people voting against their own interests, as someone else on Gaf said, it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas.
He has done the same thing in the US, shift the argument away from real issues and make it all about guns and abortion. With the UK it's all about benefits and immigration.
Do we not lose far far more in revenue to high level tax evasion than benefit cheats?
Edit: on and RIP, I grew up in a single parent family in the North so I guess I should hate her, but I just can't muster the energy, I am sure she thought she was in the right and she is someone's mother...
Arsenal2022
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On the money there, a small number of individuals and corporations are going to become very rich out of the NHS at the cost of patient care. I'm just hoping Labour win in 2015 and reverse this change before its too late.
What saddens me the most is that out of every doctor I've ever met, none of them support the changes.
Not being funny but thats utter crap.
De-regulation of the banks was not the problem. It was Gordon Brown's pet gophers the FSA who failed to enforce the regulations that was the problem.
Perfect example, the libor rate fixing scandal. It was always against the rules. Even though US regulators warned UK officials at the time, fuck all was done.
Why, because Brown was too busy counting the 25% of total tax receipts that the banks generated in his false "boom" economy
Might be a good idea.
So we can all make sure.
I'm reminded of the Comic Strip Presents... GLC: The Carnage Continues. And how it ended. You can never quite be certain...
peanutbutterlatte
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Yeah, I have a hell of a lot more dislike for Blair, though that's personally influenced by me growing up through that.
So you realise that blog is using the Daily Mail as a source instead of the OECD itself, right? For what it's worth, this is what the Daily Mail pointed out as most concerning:
Edit: LOL, image tags and banned site stuffed me up.
EdibleExplosives
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Does it really matter if you experienced it first hand or not? And, as has been said many times in this thread before, her actions are still affecting people today.
And also not what's happening here. Which is why you won't see the same sort of response to the death of any other Conservative PM. Thatcher's death is celebrated by some because of what she did in power, not because of the party she led.
Arrowgigantic
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I have a theory, which is yet to be disproven:
Whoever says a union has gone too far, has gone too far.
not_so_special
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gorbachev wins
Not exactly a fair representation, GAF is very very left.
CHEEZMO
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The woman destroyed entire communities, millions of lives and caused irreperable damage to this nation. The shit she did is still being felt today and will continue to do harm for coming generations. She shifted the political centre of Britain to the right so much that even out nominal labour movement is a load of Thatcherite bollocks. She is Britain's Reagan.
Get the fuck off your high horse with this "dont be glad someone's dead" liberal bullshit.
May she be buried in a landfill.
Get the fuck off your high horse with this "dont be glad someone's dead" liberal bullshit.
May she be buried in a landfill.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
wooooow lol
pitcairn55
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I wouldn't celebrate the death of John Major. Or Michael Heseltine. Or even Norman Tebbit. I wouldn't dance on Edwina Curry's grave, or party at the passing of Portillo.
I make no promises as far as Baron Howard of Lympne is concerned, mind you.
If you think people are happy because of something as trivial as a difference in political opinion you should perhaps think again.
EDIT-Beaten like the miners were.
Sir_Crocodile
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You don't think the winter of discontent or bringing down the Heath government was too far?
Yeah, people forget the militant unionists who just went mental and lost all common sense around that time.
Free market, innit?
Arsenal2022
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The press collusion with the right has been clear quite some time. At least the Mail's readership is completely Tory anyway, the issue is the malleability of the Sun's leadership.
Labour do find the dirty poor an issue they find difficult to deal with; hence Miliband's weak response to the benefit changes.
Wolves Evolve
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Well I grew up poor in London in the 1980s.
I actually do consider her evil, her policies evil, and I had friends and family members become much worse off, or die, because of Conservative policies in those years.
So I celebrate her death, I do.
All that said, I think much of the hatred for her from people like me comes from the Tory hagiography and the lies that began in the 1980s about the 'boom' that the policies brought on. You can see people right now justifying everything from the attacks on welfare to the Falklands war. The Falklands!
Her big achievement was convincing English people that they were fundamentally conservative. That won't be dislodged until an equally charismatic and romantic idea to fight it emerges.
I actually do consider her evil, her policies evil, and I had friends and family members become much worse off, or die, because of Conservative policies in those years.
So I celebrate her death, I do.
All that said, I think much of the hatred for her from people like me comes from the Tory hagiography and the lies that began in the 1980s about the 'boom' that the policies brought on. You can see people right now justifying everything from the attacks on welfare to the Falklands war. The Falklands!
Her big achievement was convincing English people that they were fundamentally conservative. That won't be dislodged until an equally charismatic and romantic idea to fight it emerges.
Acheteedo
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I guess that's my point, it does matter to me if you go as far as vocalising how glad you are that said person is dead.
But there are plenty of people in this thread and elsewhere currently showing that this is not a requirement for them, and that seems odd to me, thus I commented on it.
The Librarian
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Are there any good articles that explain the details of what happened.
CyclopsRock
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A huge amount of the damage caused by her policies were the result of subsidies by the last 30 years of governments, however. If the various hard industries had been allowed to slowly peter out over time, the communities affected by the closures of mines etc would not have found themselves with 75% unemployment overnight - a cyclic situation that's basically impossible to get out of. She should have phased it, but they should never have been in a position where unprofitable factories and mines were kept open for so long. I know there were some that were profitable, but they were few and far between. It didn't help that various industries were forced to use the produce from their fellow nationalised industries (which almost all had wildly higher prices than their international competitors).
vas_a_morir
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So, she's like a British Ronald Reagan or something?
I dunno, though. Most people seem to like Ronald well enough on a personal level, I get the impression. It was before my time.
I dunno, though. Most people seem to like Ronald well enough on a personal level, I get the impression. It was before my time.
Scargill was as much to blame for the fate of the UK's mines as much as the government.
Power went to his head and he lost sight of all common sense. Whilst our mines were stood empty, costing the UK taxpayer millions upon millions to subsidise other countries had started digging the black stuff up for next to nowt and their workers were actually working and becoming more and more efficient by the day.
shoplifter
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I'm awaiting Morrissey's statement
Arrowgigantic
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Pretty much.
Pretty much, they got along famously for what it's worth.
Goodbye England's Rose
You know, if some enterprising person could make a tribute by splicing together lots of Spitting Image footage, I'd enjoy it...
If nothing else, she indirectly gave us the vegetables quote, and the amusement when people claim to have actually been present at the time.
frankie_baby
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one of the few things she did that was right was the falkland war, far away it may be but its as british as the isle of man and i dont think anyone would complain about us going to war if that got invaded, unfortunately though our victory in said war managed to get the bitch reelected
Worse (or better depending on your outlook)
captainnapalm
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I grew up reading these great British comic writers like Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, Jamie Delano, Peter Milligan and Neil Gaiman in the late 80s/early 90s. Everything they wrote was like a reaction against the Thatcher era, which they viewed as being oppressive, abusive, class obsessed, morally bankrupt, politically corrupt and borderline fascist.
Of course, I didn't get any of this at the time, I was too young, though it was clear they were voicing their displeasure at society for some reason.
Of course, I didn't get any of this at the time, I was too young, though it was clear they were voicing their displeasure at society for some reason.
Reagan was an average President the Republicans have cannonised. Thatcher was a terrible PM that the right have turned into a needed strong leader with principles who saved the country when no one else could.
She adopted a few bits and pieces from "Reaganomics" to sort out the UK economy.
Was it not on TV recently? Im sure it was on ITV a couple of years ago.
Phonomezer
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Holy shit, LOL.
Arsenal2022
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19674838
This article explains the changes fairly factually, but its simplified and does not analyse it much.
The issue that many have with it, including myself, is that it allows private companies to bid for the most profitable parts of health care, and reap the profits, while NHS hospitals are lumbered with the procedures that aren't, and leave themselves financially at risk.
Many NHS hospitals are also now trying to attract private patients to fill that funding gap, which leads to fears of a two tier system between NHS and private patients.
Also many do fear that this is the first step to complete privatisation of the NHS, which is opposed due to fears that care will no longer be blind towards the income of the patient.
Thatcher is indirectly responsible for Anonymous.
I don't think teachers were terribly impressed, either. At least, my parents weren't.
Care to show unemployment at its lowest as well, or inflation before Thatcher ?
Reagan had it much easier I think and was much more of a prolific spender.
Is it hell. She was hated in scotland, Wales, Ireland (north and south) and northern England. That's an awful lot of people.
captainnapalm
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They certainly found themselves sympathetic to each other's causes, namely screwing over poor people and protecting the rights of rich, crooked businessmen everywhere. I mean, who ever looks out for those poor guys.
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