Messofanego
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Even if it's been posted, still worth sharing:
Margaret Thatcher has died
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I think it's something to do with our queen
For those who don't read Spanish it says "pope use his magic Christian powers to exact vengeance on Margaret Thatcher".
There have been criticisms of other politicians on this board without resorting to sexism or racism, or even typical 'libtard/repug' bashing. Please, I think we're grown up enough to make strong points about her policies without resorting to sexism.
This forum is mostly liberal, too. I'm pretty sure most people won't have a problem with disagreeing with conservatism.
Delusibeta
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AFAIK, yes.
frankie_baby
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You can't stop people selling things its a free market after all but at the very least Maggie should never have allowed profiteering, if someone was sold a council house at a discount that discount should have been repayable to the council whenever the house was sold not just in the first five years
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There are people who have saved special bottles of drink for decades, in the event of her death. The hatred is pure and unrelenting. I don't think any President in the US has been hated with a hatred of this nature.
Arsenal2022
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AP says the Premier League will not ask clubs to hold a minute's silence for Thatcher. I cannot see United decide themselves to hold one, given the kind of response it will get from the fans.
Bear in mind this weekend is the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster, and given Thatcher's role in its cover-up, there will be some kind of response to her death because of that.
Its not what they'll say is sexist or racist either, it'd most likely be a polemic interspersed with expletives, but on GAF that may warrant the attention of a mod.
Kavinsky's got it in one, the level of hate she receives is unprecedented.
CHEEZMO
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The fuck are you even talking about?
frankie_baby
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A minutes cheering is far more likely
Miles Quaritch
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CHEEZMO;53129511 said:
The new line of defence for Maggie. Saying anything about her = you're a sexist bastard.
Champagne socialists are socialists who can afford champagne. You and your friends are no different and would do the same if you had the money, just like nearly every fucking leftist there is. Chomsky is a fucking millionaire for heaven's sake.
You want to stick to your beliefs, give your money to those poorer - and that includes people OUTSIDE your country. When you talk of the human family and uniting the human race and all that bullshit and more talk of the 'world's wealth' like it belongs to everybody and the rich ones simply were lucky because the wealth fairy decided to drop in, then you can't believe in borders. But no, you're here on your computer and internet connection denouncing 'champagne socialist.' Too fucking stupid to realize what a shameless sanctimonious hypocrite you are.
Arsenal2022
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What the Liverpool fans do on Saturday at Reading will be interesting as well; as posted earlier
I disagree. I think it's perfectly reasonable to base your opinion on what you see, hear and experience in your direct surroundings.
If you ask somebody from a Yorkshire or North East mining community, somebody who lost their job as a result of Thatcher's policies or otherwise suffered as a result of the decline in the community, what they thought of Margaret Thatcher, what do you think their answer would be?
If you ask somebody from Liverpool, a City which experienced great personal tragedy in 1989 with the Hillsborough disaster, what their opinion of Thatcher is following on from the release of documents which confirm a massive state cover up happened under her watch, what do you think their answer would be?
Their opinion would likely be very, very different to that of someone who lives in the home counties, for example. Why is that silly?
Me saying "I'm from Sheffield therefore I don't like Margaret Thatcher" isn't just down to some postcode lottery, as your post seems to suggest you think is happening. It's because the things I have seen and hear around me, sometimes on a daily basis for as long as I can remember, have educated me on how and why Thatcher was bad for my part of the world. I have family who live in former mining communities. Broken mining communities. Family who lost livelihoods and watched communities collapse. I've seen and lived in and with the impact of that.
Like I said earlier, my wife is of Chilean descent. Her family came to this country as a result of the Pinochet regime. Thatcher's support of what occurred in Chile and of Pinochet is and was a disgrace. They despise her for it. They hate her just as much as anyone in this thread, who might come from a Northern town which either felt or is still feeling the repercussions of her stint in charge.
To suggest this is only about "hating someone because of where you come from" is naive and short sighted. For a lot of people posting in this thread, it's got nothing to do with that.
What the Liverpool fans do on Saturday at Reading will be interesting as well; as posted earlier
We've got a chant that says 'we're gonna have a party when Maggie Thatcher dies'. I usually don't sing it, not that I don't see her as the horrible, spiteful, nasty woman that she was, but because it just doesn't sit right with me. I expect the away support to be belting that out for large portions of the match, I've heard it get the most airing at away games.
As has probably been said she was a cruel piece of work that threw the working class, and less fortunate Britons under a rock to further her own political gain and serve those already well off. I understand there's a degree of humility needed for any dead person, whoever they are, but given what my family tell me about Thatcher I've got none whatsoever.
That's fine, but it doesn't call for sexism, which is irrelevant. Are people who hate Obama justified in saying "it's called the white house for a reason..." because they hate his policies so much? It's dumb and disintegrates any sort of political opinion they're expressing.
I'd rather people say something mean and give us a reasoned account of why her policies made her a terrible, hated leader (there seems to be plenty to draw upon). Coming in to say "I'm a gutless sexist who doesn't want to get banned" tells me nothing about Thatcher.
BrokenEchelon
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I didn't eve know she was still alive.
radioheadrule83
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frankie_baby
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Read the thread, what she's done has been posted over and over again by numerous people
Delusibeta
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Considering the state of The Sun sales in Liverpool, Thatcher will not be idolised outside of Conservative Party HQ.
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This has literally nothing to do with sexism. No one hates her for her gender at all. No one, on either side, drags her gender into this in any debate concerning her whatsoever.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Stop talking about things that aren't happening.
scotcheggz
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I think he means he's upset about something which potentially could happen?
...where has anyone brought sexism into this thread (except yourself, of course)? You're projecting. I don't know enough curse words to describe my hate for the woman. but I certainly don't hate her because she is one. She would've done the same shit as a man.
Oh, and thanks for calling me a sexist, that's really made my day, that has.
This isn't America where 2 parties reign supreme, so expecting a 50% majority is simply barmy.
You are right though, the system is shit as its heavily weighted towards Labour.
Some facts...
In the 10 smallest constituency's, with a population between 45k to 55k. 9 are held by the Labour party, 1 by the Lib Dems.
In the 10 largest, population 85k to 95k, 7 are held by Conservative's, 3 by Lib Dems.
Its BS like this which is why in the general election 2005, the Conservative's had 10k more votes than Labour in England but Labour had nearly 100 more English MP's.
What kind of bullshit is that?
I'm guessing this is about the gulf war - your friends and family supported Saddam's invasion of Kuwait? Can't say I'm too upset for what happened to your country if many people like that populate it.
I'm referring to the string of responses at the beginning that had people saying they would get banned if they posted what they thought of her. It seemed to still be drawing questions near this end of the thread.
I asked what was so taboo and bannable about expressing a political opinion on GAF. Surely, we've had unkind words for politicians here before. It's not even like Thatcher was on the political side that GAF tends to align with. GAF also doesn't ban for language unless you're personally attacking or harassing another member. The admin even endorses the word "cunt". How much worse can their rant be? The response has been 'People just hate her so much', which doesn't answer the question. The dots connect themselves, but I'm still waiting on responses.
scarybore
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Eh? Not seen anything of the sort here. I imagine there's a lot here who don't want to be banned for saying very harsh words over someone who gained huge notoriety here and hasn't even been dead for a day.
digoutyoursoul
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Couldn't of said it better
sacrificengineer
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Rest in peace.
Deified Data
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That or they just have an adept grasp of history and its implications in the present day.
God forbid you ever judge Adolf Hitler harshly. You weren't alive during WWII, so you don't know.
It's because GAF is sometimes sensitive to bashing the dead, not because they're holding back sexist remarks.
Angry Fork
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CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Maybe for you they do. Stop posting.
frankie_baby
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They just mean they want to do a huge expletive ridden rant, its fairly clear and obvious
kurtrussell
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The irony is, the majority of GAFfers posting negatively in this post, have directly benefited from the more service-industry orientated approach that Thatcher brought to Britain. Pre-Thatcher Britain was a lot bleaker than post-Thatcher. Quite frankly, the unions had far too much power and the industries that Britain was built on were outdated and in desperate need of an overhaul. She took care of both of these issues.
Seems ridiculous that the celebratory scroats weren't even around to remember what it was like yet still enjoy jumping on the extreme left let's-be-oh-so-controversial bandwagon.
Seems ridiculous that the celebratory scroats weren't even around to remember what it was like yet still enjoy jumping on the extreme left let's-be-oh-so-controversial bandwagon.
digoutyoursoul
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Wonder what Michael Heseltine makes of it all, wasn't he given the Freedom of the City in Liverpool last year?
The dots don't connect themselves, otherwise a vocal majority would be aware of just what the fuck you're referring to. What's actually happened is you've connected the dots yourself in a bespoke fashion that leans towards a fallacy you've created, rather than the extremely valid reasons people have given.
The hate Thatcher inspires within reasoned, law abiding citizens with a sound moral compass should demonstrate the scale of hurt she produced, and tell you that this goes way above gender.
Delusibeta
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People have been banned for far, far less than expressing the amount of hate she gets from certain areas.
That's pretty presumptuous of you.
frankie_baby
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Random guy on BBC news just now:
Margaret Thatcher she's from my home town, I'm glad she's dead
Margaret Thatcher she's from my home town, I'm glad she's dead
kurtrussell
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What does that entail exactly? Permission to walk into a Primark and pick the shellsuit of his choice? The right to steal any car stereo he chooses?
You mean the service industry that we are trying to get away from? 'March of the makers'
The_Hitcher89
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Awesome clip on ITV just there.
Showed Thatcher supporting some Tory in his local election in 2000 and walking through some parade.
Woman walks up to her: 'You're a wonderful lady'
Bloke walks up to her, glasses on, shirt and tie, every bit the modern worker: 'I think you're the most evil woman on the planet. Evil!'
Showed Thatcher supporting some Tory in his local election in 2000 and walking through some parade.
Woman walks up to her: 'You're a wonderful lady'
Bloke walks up to her, glasses on, shirt and tie, every bit the modern worker: 'I think you're the most evil woman on the planet. Evil!'
digoutyoursoul
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That sums you up that post, pompous, patronising and ignorant. No better than the "scroats" as you put it.
Makes me laugh how much that city gets shit jibes thrown at it, considering crime and poverty rates are worse in other areas.
Between this and your Hillsborough remark the other day I'd be banned for saying what I truly thought of you.
For posterity:
Speechless at the bolded, in a post that quotes a man that would've faced charges had he not resigned to save his own skin and his pension.
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