You definitely called the part about current Xbox 360s not interfacing with Durango. But I don't think that giving users the option to pay for BC is milking them.
VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline
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You definitely called the part about current Xbox 360s not interfacing with Durango. But I don't think that giving users the option to pay for BC is milking them.
GoofsterStud
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It's not BC, it's buy a separate console and hook them up.
If it was $100 more and all in one box, good move. This is like the Megadrive for Sega Genesis. I didn't like it then, and I don't want it now.
Removing the online requirement and allowing used games, now that's a good move!
Jigolo
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gaf was never wrong. We were just reacting to the rumor that there was no offline play on Durango.
And now gaf is reacting to a rumor that states there is offline play.
The rumor never originated on gaf, just the reactions (mine included)
Syphon Filter
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If this xbox mini is the size of an apple tv then i can see it worth it.
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Ho ho ho, lets not get carried away
Didn't the article say HDMI? Probably just being used as a pass through I assume?
link1201
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I disagree. Why should I have to pay for something I will probably never use. I really don't get the obsession with BC but to each his own , I am just glad it looks as though the next xbox won't have to necessarily be higher in price because of this.
Osiris
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The vgleaks article says it uses an external interface, which is why the current 360 can't be used in this manner to provide "BC".
Penguins&PolarBears
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You youngsters on this forum don't know your history. This is not like 32X. This is more like the "Power Base Converter" that gave Genesis backwards compatibility to Master System
Of course the twist here is that the mini-360 can function without the new Durango console. So you're selling this new Xbox 360 to 2 different audiences
1.) People who want an Xbox 360 for cheap.
2.) People who want to be able to play Xbox 360 games on Durango with Durango functionality.
And this new Xbox 360 doesn't need a disc drive because it can use the disc drive in the Durango.
Of course the twist here is that the mini-360 can function without the new Durango console. So you're selling this new Xbox 360 to 2 different audiences
1.) People who want an Xbox 360 for cheap.
2.) People who want to be able to play Xbox 360 games on Durango with Durango functionality.
And this new Xbox 360 doesn't need a disc drive because it can use the disc drive in the Durango.
Ho ho ho, lets not get carried away
Yeah, I'm thinking something like half the size of a 360 slim. Or about the size of a 360 HD-DVD drive.
I definitely think it's a smart solution. Creating a separate Durango SKU which includes BC for $100 more would only create the perception that the Durango is more expensive. People would view the BC-inclusive SKU as the Premium model, and it would make them less inclined to buy one at all. The route they took (as rumored) might be more difficult in terms of educating consumers, but it will ultimately be better for Microsoft if they can surmount that hurdle.
There's also an added benefit to this strategy which I don't think has been discussed. People who buy a Durango will be inclined to purchase a 360 Mini in order to add functionality, whereas people who purchase a 360 Mini will be inclined to graduate to Durango and enter next gen without feeling like their 360 Mini purchase was wasted.
oh ok. HDMI has the bandwidth capability for this?
twisteddeeds
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I'd say around the same size of a wii...
I'm... okay with this, Microsoft. Not the best solution for BC, but you are allowing offline gameplay for your console and are allowing people to buy BC for your console should they want it. I suppose the 360 Mini does requires online, but not a persistent connection because without it, you can't download XBLA games to it.
If this rumor is true, then I will be happy with Durango.
If this rumor is true, then I will be happy with Durango.
It is also a fully functional media box like AppleTv , you can have no interest in gaming at all
Alebrije
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stackable?
LOL exactly what I though after read it.
I can not deny this idea give a nostalgia feeling
CouldBeWorse
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Holy shit. This is almost too good to be true in how it directly addressed nearly every concern that the enthusiast community has had with Durango.
Now if they can just show some kickass exclusive content and an Xbox Live Gold service that offers more for your money, they'll win a lot of people back over.
Now if they can just show some kickass exclusive content and an Xbox Live Gold service that offers more for your money, they'll win a lot of people back over.
Oppo
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If it's the size of an Apple TV then I am sure as hell not going to buy it right out of the gate, they don't have the greatest track record on heat dissipation.
Well, it is too good to be true, as it's not necessarily true just yet. Sounds much better though, I agree, but I'm not going to treat it as gospel just yet, just because it's a bit of a relief.CouldBeWorse said:
Kasumi1970
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Sega did it with the sega master system converter for the sega genesis.
Alebrije
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If it's the size of an Apple TV then I am sure as hell not going to buy it right out of the gate, they don't have the greatest track record on heat dissipation.
Well, it is too good to be true, as it's not necessarily true just yet. Sounds much better though, I agree, but I'm not going to treat it as gospel just yet, just because it's a bit of a relief.
What if they want that it competes also againts BLack and Decker irons...
id be happy with WiiU size
Syphon Filter
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wouldn't it be possible by now? The system is fairly old and the chips are shrunk.
Boaty McBoatface
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This style of BC is great for those who didn't have a 360 last gen and are thinking of jumping ship, but not so great for those already have a 360 imo.
Personally id live for Sony to do the same thing with ps4 so I can jump ship lol
Personally id live for Sony to do the same thing with ps4 so I can jump ship lol
UberTag
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Would have been a better strategic move had we known about it ahead of time so we wouldn't have felt the ultimate game sale was pissing our money down a well that we wouldn't be able to easily access post-next gen leap. I would have spent a lot more money.
True. I bought games anyway, but I would have bought more had I known this earlier.
Can't fucking wait now though.
very excite.
The original leaked specs said there was an HDMI-in.
I'd assume there is some kind of proprietary Data cable that sends the disc data to the Xbox Mini along with Kinect data and controller inputs then the Xbox Mini receives this, does it's work and outputs the video back through HDMI or through the same cable to the machine.
I predict that using the Mini will actually not have any kind of 360 style dashboard/notification/guide when being used in this fashion.
The dual scalers and the information about rendering several planes of video together could mean that the new xbox hardware could provide all the Xbox Live notifications on top of your BC'd game along the new shiney interface the new XBox it will inevitably have.
I envisage pressing the guide button and the game becoming minimising into a small Live tile on a Metro-esque interface. You can then browse the entire dashboard then maximise the game tile.
This would be far more useable and provide a far more consistant experience than booting into a 360 App which then behaves like an old xbox.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Hmm, awesome news!
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I can live with these leaks. Definitely not as bad as we thought it'd be, and it also seems like Orth had no idea what he was talking about.
Or his sarcasm got the best of him.
Ho ho ho, lets not get carried away
The size of the new Mac Mini is possible.
Edit: Picture
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Sorry but personally I dont see the point of buying a wii sized console to play 360 games.
You may as well just buy another 360.
You may as well just buy another 360.
Psst. It is a xbox 360.
Wasn't he just commenting on what is a pretty ridiculous reaction that people have had to what is ultimately a networked technology product? He never said that it was going to happen, just that it was a stupid thing to complain about.
pants
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Which means it isnt 'always online' as the phrase 'always online' excludes a state where it is offline. It's contradictory, nebulous, nonsense jargon speak. That is my problem with the sentence.
It's cheaper presumably, we don't know whether there are extra features we don't know about by plugging it into durango.
Well you also save space and a hdmi slot, and easier to manage when friends doing invites or whatever for durango games.
To have them with the durango interface instead of having to switch consoles
Disagree completely.
If you're a new customer to Microsoft's platform, and you wish to play the Xbox 360's library, you're given the choice to purchase a peripheral to make that a possibility. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you don't want the cost of backwards compatability forced onto you, then you're taken care of since it's an optional purchase. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you wish to consolidate your Durango and Xbox 360, then you're free to do so by purchasing the add-on.
This is a great move by Microsoft. Backwards compatibility is not important to everyone, and it's unfair to force these people to pay for the additional hardware required to make backwards compatibility a reality. At this point, it's optional which is by far the best move they could have made.
Oppo
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So this isnt BC then?
That's a patent for a "BC module".
The Xbox Mini is supposedly a full standalone console.
I agree with you, but the key thing here is that this "BC module" is it's own console, and not much more inexpensive than just re-buying one of the previous consoles.harSon said:
Durango is rumored to be playable offline.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Hmmmmm, this is interesting. Only thing to do now is to believe no one and wait til the official reveal.
yep. Like I said earlier. Brilliant move. Options are good.
If you own a 360, then there's no issue. If you don't, you have the option for BC.
Then there's folks like me who will sell a regular 360 to get the trim version.
The rumor states that:
- Durango has no system-level used game restrictions
- Durango has no system-level always-online restrictions
- 360 Mini connected to Durango enables disc-based "BC" using Durango's disc drive
- 360 Mini by itself requires online to get content since has no drive, unclear if always-online required for general use (I think unlikely)
- Kinect 2.0 not a focus for Microsoft
- Kinect 2.0 not required to be plugged in