VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline

I think the TV functionality and the Xbox mini are completely pointless and will flop. I just hope the always online required rumors being false are true.


What I don't understand is if the development kits require always online, how would the revs be able test their code offline? Wouldn't they need to if the Durango production units not require online?
 
Wasn't he just commenting on what is a pretty ridiculous reaction that people have had to what is ultimately a networked technology product? He never said that it was going to happen, just that it was a stupid thing to complain about.

Well, he's a Microsoft employee so it's not as innocent as "I don't know what you guys are talking about." Or so it looked like.
 
yep. Like I said earlier. Brilliant move. Options are good.

If you own a 360, then there's no issue. If you don't, you have the option for BC.

Then there's folks like me who will sell a regular 360 to get the trim version.

Let's just hope that this doesn't form part of some kind of Ultimate New Xbox Bundle with things that Current owners might actually want.
 
Guys, if the Dev Kits require always online, then so will the final units being sold at stores.

How do you propose any developer test offline code if they can never be offline?
 
Disagree completely.

If you're a new customer to Microsoft's platform, and you wish to play the Xbox 360's library, you're given the choice to purchase a peripheral to make that a possibility. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you don't want the cost of backwards compatability forced onto you, then you're taken care of since it's an optional purchase. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you wish to consolidate your Durango and Xbox 360, then you're free to do so by purchasing the add-on.

This is a great move by Microsoft. Backwards compatibility is not important to everyone, and it's unfair to force these people to pay for the additional hardware required to make backwards compatibility a reality. At this point, it's optional which is by far the best move they could have made.

You don't even need a Durango at that point. It's the same as buying a new XBOX360.
 
Durango is rumored to be playable offline.

GTFO!


after all that...

The rumor states that:

- Durango has no system-level used game restrictions
- Durango has no system-level always-online restrictions
- 360 Mini connected to Durango enables disc-based "BC" using Durango's disc drive
- 360 Mini by itself requires online to get content since has no drive, unclear if always-online required for general use (I think unlikely)
- Kinect 2.0 not a focus for Microsoft
- Kinect 2.0 not required to be plugged in



ok thanks.. so that can not be all true since it is contrary to the original rumors unless they were wrong
 
i think that patent still covers what MS is doing because the user interfaces with the mini 360 through the 720 in order to play the 360 games. the patent didn't specify if the add-on unit was only capable of functioning while connected to it's successor, only that THAT was how the successor was able to achieve BC.

i think the patent is to specifically target the idea of the new console to 'control' or 'access' the other device, and BC was an obvious need for that technology.

How do you propose any developer test offline code if they can never be offline?

unplug their router?
 
People actually believe this shit?

Companies don't CARE about you playing your old games, or people having access to an old library. Only money.

BC stops people buying new games and boosts the pre-owned market, from which MS wont see a penny.

And why would they dilute the message of next gen by including "apple TV" features when the new Xbox, hell even the old one, has them already?

Then how come the older systems had bc?
 
Guys, if the Dev Kits require always online, then so will the final units being sold at stores.

How do you propose any developer test offline code if they can never be offline?

The author uses the word "network" in two different ways. In the part you were referring to, the author was talking about Kinect 2.0 being "networked" with the Durango. He was referring to the rumor that Kinect would have to be plugged in for the console to work.
 
Disagree completely.

If you're a new customer to Microsoft's platform, and you wish to play the Xbox 360's library, you're given the choice to purchase a peripheral to make that a possibility. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you don't want the cost of backwards compatability forced onto you, then you're taken care of since it's an optional purchase. If you're a current Xbox 360 owner and you wish to consolidate your Durango and Xbox 360, then you're free to do so by purchasing the add-on.

This is a great move by Microsoft. Backwards compatibility is not important to everyone, and it's unfair to force these people to pay for the additional hardware required to make backwards compatibility a reality. At this point, it's optional which is by far the best move they could have made.

Agreed.
 
Which is strange. The guy doesn't seem to understand technical terminology or usage at all.

That's why I guessed earlier that the author is Chinese. Foreigners often use awkward synonyms like that. They tend to have limited vocabularies, hence his overuse of the word "network". He could be an employee at Microsoft China or perhaps he works at or around Foxconn.
 
People actually believe this shit?

Companies don't CARE about you playing your old games, or people having access to an old library. Only money.

BC stops people buying new games and boosts the pre-owned market, from which MS wont see a penny.

DD renders this point moot.
 
i like xbox mini, but i hope they include DVD drive in it so people can play dvd media games... Download-only did not work with that PSP Go! thingy.

All the "TV" stuff is already in, nothing new, basically just new version of Xbox for cheaper, when 720 comes out.
 
Why buy the 360 if you can buy the mini and have access to the updated streaming functionality.

Simple, GameStops incredibly large library of cheap used games. Can be played on a cheap 360, or a $650ish Durango/Mini combo... tough choice! :P
 
The reason I want BC is so that I don't have to deal with another device to play old games. MS could just build this solution into Durango. Why not just have another SKU with BC for the people that want it?

But what I don't understand is why there's not at least software BC. Oh well. I still have to wait and see what MS comes out with because I'm not buying into this rumor that's conveniently the complete opposite of every rumor that's come out so far about Durango.
 
Oh come ON.
All spectacularly convenient, and completely against months of multiple leaks saying otherwise.

There are also multiple leaks that support some of these claims (I'm sure I'm forgetting some as well):

- SuperDAE said Durango won't require online
- a Microsoft China employee was laughing at NeoGAF a few weeks back for totally misinterpreting a Durango leak
- another insider (I forget who) recently mentioned that there was "nothing offensive" about Durango
- an Xbox 360 without a disc drive, aimed at competing with AppleTV has been long rumored

There's also the fact that the internet has pretty much raged at Microsoft for the last few months. And there's the SimCity launch debacle. They can't have ignored these things. The leak also adequately explains all the misunderstandings that led to the negative information that was released, and does so without presenting anything that's too out there to believe.
 
i like xbox mini, but i hope they include DVD drive in it so people can play dvd media games... Download-only did not work with that PSP Go! thingy.

All the "TV" stuff is already in, nothing new, basically just new version of Xbox for cheaper, when 720 comes out.

well aren't the TV functions more like google tv where it runs and optimizes and enhances your tv viewing experience through the Durango to your cable box?
 
The rumor states that:

- Durango has no system-level used game restrictions
- Durango has no system-level always-online restrictions
- 360 Mini connected to Durango enables disc-based "BC" using Durango's disc drive
- 360 Mini by itself requires online to get content since has no drive, unclear if always-online required for general use (I think unlikely)
- Kinect 2.0 not a focus for Microsoft
- Kinect 2.0 not required to be plugged in
The Kinect 2.0 is not a primary focus bit is the biggest thing working against this rumour, same with it not being required to be plugged in.

I can't see a world where Kinect 2.0 and the NUI isn't one of their biggest sells and pillars moving forward. That part I don't believe at all.
 
The rumor states that:

- Durango has no system-level used game restrictions
- Durango has no system-level always-online restrictions
- 360 Mini connected to Durango enables disc-based "BC" using Durango's disc drive
- 360 Mini by itself requires online to get content since has no drive, unclear if always-online required for general use (I think unlikely)
- Kinect 2.0 not a focus for Microsoft
- Kinect 2.0 not required to be plugged in

Believe
 
Biggest concern that makes me think this rumor is false is the kinect.

MS not requiring kinect does not fit with the message they have been pushing these last 2-3 years. Kinect is going to be integral.
 
There are also multiple leaks that support some of these claims (I'm sure I'm forgetting some as well):

- SuperDAE said Durango won't require online
- that Microsoft China employee was laughing at NeoGAF a few weeks back for totally misinterpreting a Durango leak
- another insider (I forget who) recently mentioned that there was "nothing offensive" about Durango

There's also the fact that the internet has pretty much raged on Microsoft for like the last few months. And there's the SimCity launch debacle. They can't have ignored these things.

Thurott talked about there being 2 new Xboxes last year.
 
Biggest concern that makes me think this rumor is false is the kinect.

MS not requiring kinect does not fit with the message they have been pushing these last 2-3 years. Kinect is going to be integral.

It's going to be in the box for everyone, who is going to get their new xbox and refuse to plug it in?
 
The embarrassing torrent of gamers self-immolating themselves over the specs of an unannounced product has come to an end.



Until next week.
 
The rumor states that:

- Durango has no system-level used game restrictions
- Durango has no system-level always-online restrictions
- 360 Mini connected to Durango enables disc-based "BC" using Durango's disc drive
- 360 Mini by itself requires online to get content since has no drive, unclear if always-online required for general use (I think unlikely)
- Kinect 2.0 not a focus for Microsoft
- Kinect 2.0 not required to be plugged in
Hmm...
 
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