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[Trojita]

I dunno, he seems like a bit absent minded.

Although he did look like a bit of a psycho with those nuts...

The kid had both of his parents leave, one of them died and the other one still hasn't come back, and his home got destroyed. He's too young to cope with all of that.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Here's most of it.

Here's the whole scene on YT. Remember to never read any comments. I didn't check if they have any spoilers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTxjGUh5oOM

Thank you!

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

Catelyn became selfish. Her daughters are worth more to her than any person Jamie might kill when he returns to Kings Landing. She acts without thinking. Because of her, their closest ally didn't get his vengeance and instead developed feelings of hatred and resentment. What's her punishment for high treason? To be watched a bit more closely and guarded at times.

I don't know about that. Cat released Jaime in that situation because he was likely going to be killed by Karstark's men that night if she didn't act. Yes, she wants to try and get her daughters back but I don't know that having the Karstarks kill Jaime as a prisoner would help the North's position either.

I have to imagine if that happened and word got back to Tywin, they'd kill off Sansa or make Sansa's life very unpleasant. And what would that have accomplished? Maybe the Karstarks are still on Robb's side, but maybe then Robb ends up killing Karstark as a traitor anyway for killing Jaime, just as he did for killing the Lannister squires. Except now you'd likely have a VERY pissed off and motivated Tywin gunning for you. Whereas currently, Tywin might be more reluctant to act against Robb if he thinks Jaime is in Robb's custody.

I think Cat was just trying to make something out of nothing when she released Jaime. It was just a bad situation all around- either Jaime was going to get killed and they'd get nothing from his death beyond maybe Karstark's vengeance being sated and Robb having to respond to that insubordination when he returned or she could try to actually get her daughters back from King's Landing in a prisoner exchange that might calm tensions with the Starks and Lannisters.

 

[Violet_0]

btw, where was Cersei's daughter sent to again?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

btw, where was Cersei's daughter sent to again?

with the breast feeder.

 

[sangreal]

with the breast feeder.

I thought she was sent to Dorn (sp?). Baelish went to go marry the breast feeder

 

[PhoenixDark]

btw, where was Cersei's daughter sent to again?

Dorne, which is to the far south in Westeros. Cersei mentioned that the Dornish people hate the Lannisters, and Tyrion made the marriage alliance to ensure they didn't rebel against the crown.

edit: all of that information was mentioned in season 2, don't worry it's not a spoiler

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I thought she was sent to Dorn (sp?). Baelish went to go marry the breast feeder

I thought she was promised to the weirdo son but I guess I heard wrong.

 

[-griffy-]

I thought she was sent to Dorn (sp?). Baelish went to go marry the breast feeder

That's right, she was sent to Dorne, which is south of King's Landing (where Sunspear is on the map). The "breast feeder" is at the Eyrie in the Vale, which is north.

 

[Funky Papa]

Dorne, which is to the far south in Westeros. Cersei mentioned that the Dornish people hate the Lannisters, and Tyrion made the marriage alliance to ensure they didn't rebel against the crown.

And just now, I realised that the Stark may not be completely fucked after all.

 

[Loomba]

ehhhh I still like Jamie, I mean he only does bad things for self preservation, and didn't he attack Ned in S1 because Catelyn kidnapped Tyrion?

Okay he isn't the nicest guy in the world but I like him, I was devastated when his hand got cut off, although can't he just train with his other hand?

I was totally dozing off/ spacing out during the bathtub conversation between Jamie and the amazon knight. Can anyone recap the key points for me?

Essentially, the Mad King was about going to set off Wildfire all around King's Landing and kill thousands, then when Tywin was sacking the city he ordered Jamie to kill him (Tywin), so instead Jamie killed the pyromancer that was going to detonate the Wildfire and as the King was running he stabbed him in the back - hence Kingslayer.

Jamie was part of the the Mad King's Guard and swore an vow to protect him and he broke it, that's why everyone says he has no honor.

 

[Yaboosh]

I thought she was promised to the weirdo son but I guess I heard wrong.

One of the three things Tyrion said to figure out which person on the small council was telling cersei things was that he would send myrcella to the breast feeding kid. He told Pycelle he would send her to Dorne, and Pycelle is the one who told Cersei, so Myrcella went to Dorne.

 

[Chronoja]

this lord of light stuff is starting to confuse me, at first I thought it was only melissandre when she arrived on the comet (didn´t she?) but now the brotherhood also affiliates with the lord of light?

Made me chuckle. Melisandre didn't arrive on a/the comet. The comet was just symbolism, a way of showing that 1 event can mean many things to different people. The lord of light / the red god is just a new religion being introduced to Westeros where they instead worshiped The Seven, typically in the south, or the old gods, typically in the north.

Melisandre is a red priestess, Thoros is a red priest and his ability to

Spoiler

resurrect Beric Dondarrion

has turned most the Brotherhood into followers. I don't think it's spoilers to say that there are many more followers of the Red God it's just that most Westeros hasn't seen / adopted it the religion until now.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Dorne, which is to the far south in Westeros. Cersei mentioned that the Dornish people hate the Lannisters, and Tyrion made the marriage alliance to ensure they didn't rebel against the crown.

edit: all of that information was mentioned in season 2, don't worry it's not a spoiler

Yep. He said he'd give her to the Martell/Greyjoy/Arryn family to a different member of the council, so since it was Pycelle who spilled the beans, he sent her to the Martell family in Dorne.

 

[Here_Try_This]

The saddest scene in Ep. 5 was brienne's stunt butt

 

[Funky Papa]

The saddest scene in Ep. 5 was brienne's stunt butt

Considering that we've already seen her muff, I don't think she required a stunt butt.

 

[Madness]

I don't know about that. Cat released Jaime in that situation because he was likely going to be killed by Karstark's men that night if she didn't act. Yes, she wants to try and get her daughters back but I don't know that having the Karstarks kill Jaime as a prisoner would help the North's position either.

I have to imagine if that happened and word got back to Tywin, they'd kill off Sansa or make Sansa's life very unpleasant. And what would that have accomplished? Maybe the Karstarks are still on Robb's side, but maybe then Robb ends up killing Karstark as a traitor anyway for killing Jaime, just as he did for killing the Lannister squires. Except now you'd likely have a VERY pissed off and motivated Tywin gunning for you. Whereas currently, Tywin might be more reluctant to act against Robb if he thinks Jaime is in Robb's custody.

I think Cat was just trying to make something out of nothing when she released Jaime. It was just a bad situation all around- either Jaime was going to get killed and they'd get nothing from his death beyond maybe Karstark's vengeance being sated and Robb having to respond to that insubordination when he returned or she could try to actually get her daughters back from King's Landing in a prisoner exchange that might calm tensions with the Starks and Lannisters.

But Jamie violated the privilege of being a prisoner of war. He not only tried to escape, he murdered two people in attempting to do so, one who's father is sort of like a general to the King.

Remember these are northmen, they do what's right and honorable, not what necessarily makes the most sense. Jamie had his chance. He wasn't killed nor his head put on a spike. Jaime deserved to die, and Karstark is the one who should have done the beheading. Sure Sansa might have died in retaliation but it would have cemented Robb and the Northerners as in the right.

Jaime isn't some casualty of the war, he's a direct belligerent like the Mountain, Tywin and others. You can be damn sure if Karstark or Bolton were defeated, they'd either be killed or taken prisoner. But if Bolton murders a Lannister guarding him in trying to escape, he'd have been killed so fast.

It comes down to being selfish like I said. Catelyn only cared her for her daughters, Robb said it best, you weakened our cause/position, caused discord in our camp.

Killing Jamie would have sent shock waves through Westeros that the North isn't playing. Tywin would be incensed but also scared that the young wolf who had yet to lose a battle, beheaded his son and heir etc.

 

[Here_Try_This]

Considering that we've already seen her muff, I don't think she required a stunt butt.

Hm, this may require some research. the short cut of her getting out of the tub just immediately looked like a much tinier lady (width wise)

I guess they make her look way larger, than she probably is.

 

[Funky Papa]

Hm, this may require some research. the short cut of her getting out of the tub just immediately looked like a much tinier lady (width wise)

I guess they make her look way larger, than she probably is.

She's damn tall, but they are using some clever tricks to make her look even taller, from well placed shots to her relative position next to other characters.

 

[zomaha]

how does Tywin know that bran and rickard are (supposedly) dead?

 

[Here_Try_This]

She's damn tall, but they are using some clever tricks to make her look even taller, from well placed shots to her relative position next to other characters.

Right, from looking at IMDB pics, she not much taller than jamie. It just made me sad, thinking that there was some pressure to look like anything but "standard" female ideal.

Bad enough with the constant "weird bewbs" comments in here, and elswhere.

 

[-griffy-]

how does Tywin know that bran and rickard are (supposedly) dead?

News would have spread that Theon burned and strung up the "Stark" boys at Winterfell while he had it sieged. It was a purposefully public display on Theon's part.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

That's right, she was sent to Dorne, which is south of King's Landing (where Sunspear is on the map). The "breast feeder" is at the Eyrie in the Vale, which is north.

God damn, those Tyrells have a pretty nice patch of land right there (presumably fertile by the sound of their motto).

 

[Fantomex]

 

[jaxword]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

 

[Amir0x]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

PM a mod is the only actual way to get that to stop. Identify the individual, link to his post, send to mod

 

[Caspel]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

aww bummer =( I won't be looking back through the last few pages for the fear of being spoiled now. Hopefully it stops.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

Let me know.

 

[CitizenVectron]

As a book reader, I can confirm that someone is spoiling that in the books Brienne also has a butt double.

 

[NomarTyme]

Good god the last scene was delicious! suck it incest woman!

 

[Mobius 1]

Filthy bastard, dont spoil it for those not reading the books.

Anyway, can't have enough of this scene.

 

[CreepingFear]

Good god the last scene was delicious! suck it incest woman!

It really was. Cersei became like a little girl, afraid to challenge her father and get a spanking from him.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Filthy bastard, dont spoil it for those not reading the books.

Anyway, can't have enough of this scene.

God, the Unsullied are bad ass. And that's not even a term I like to use because it sounds so stupid, but seriously. Coolest army in this series so far, hands down.

 

[Magnus]

Random thoughts and musings on the ep, a little late! Been a busy couple days.

http://www.omega-level.net/2013/05/01/this-week-on-game-of-thrones-kissed-by-fire/

I always treat the show as its own animal, separate from the books. The comments below the article are a free for all of course; can't control what people post there.

Some of my favorite images from this week:

And probably my favorite: Robb, in a scene that deliberately echoed Theon's execution of Rodrik last year, from the look (rain, courtyard) to the sound (same music) to the circumstances (forced execution to prove one's hardiness as a leader to one's subordinates).

 

[Madness]

Loved the music during the beheading. Showed the differences between Theon forced to do a beheading and botching it or Robb who chose to do it, get it done in one swing like his dad.

I love the subtle music cues during intense scenes. When Lord Mormont got knifed in the back, there was a reworked Nights Watch horn that blew etc.

 

[iamblades]

Hm, this may require some research. the short cut of her getting out of the tub just immediately looked like a much tinier lady (width wise)

I guess they make her look way larger, than she probably is.

Part of it is the wardrobe, put anyone in a suit of armor and they will look bulky.

As for making her look larger, how many 6' + actresses are there? Much less ones that are actually competent at acting?

Just look at the mountain's replacement for example, and I imagine there are more 7' tall muscular actors than there are actresses who can be plausible as Brienne. Not to mention is the fact that the mountain is a role that doesn't even require much acting, all you need is a physical presence, and they couldn't find it.

 

[Vashetti]

I love the subtle music cues during intense scenes.

I noticed this when Varys was explaining to Tyrion about the Sorcerer.

The Melisandre/Lord of Light music was playing, very eerie!

 

[drizzle]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

I guess my theory of only reading this thread the day after the episode aired keeps showing to be valid.

It's sad, really...

 

[cdkee]

I guess my theory of only reading this thread the day after the episode aired keeps showing to be valid.

It's sad, really...

Honestly, there is no real safety anywhere on the web. I got spoiled for some of the later parts of ASOS, and I got so mad I just ended up reading all the books till I finished and I didn't go back on the internet to look at GOT/ASOIAF until then.

You're really better off just not talking about it with others, or watching YouTube videos, or anything. Live in a bubble

Anyway, you can take this post as me simply advocating others to read the books, because they're freaking amazing, especially if you already love the world. You will be glad you did. And with that, I take my leave to lurk this thread to read your speculations.

 

[Vashetti]

There's a book reader giving out plot points disguised as speculation about a character here. I won't quote him directly so as to not spoil others, but come on, man.

Let me know.

 

[Hokhoku]

I just want to say to the queen that karma is a bitch

 

[wildfire]

Little Finger was right!

 

[Mad_Ban]

Is there a reason why littlefingers accent has completely changed this season? I can't for the life of me remember anything about it, but he suddenly went from English to gruff-Welsh.

 

[Discotheque]

i envisioned the unsullied as 300-style spartans since they seemed to be described very similar in the books. these dudes are scrawny in comparison. but the helmets look dope.

 

[jaxword]

i envisioned the unsullied as 300-style spartans since they seemed to be described very similar in the books. these dudes are scrawny in comparison. but the helmets look dope.

Kind of hard for castrated boys to generate a lot of testosterone...

Is there a reason why littlefingers accent has completely changed this season? I can't for the life of me remember anything about it, but he suddenly went from English to gruff-Welsh.

The actor seems to shift it. Possibly deliberately since it's quite noticeable.

 

[StudioTan]

The cool thing about that is that only the dragon is CG. The fire and guy are real.

 

[Neki]

The cool thing about that is that only the dragon is CG. The fire and guy are real.

who would get paid to get lit on fire

no one

 

[Brashnir]

who would get paid to get lit on fire

no one

Stunt men do it all the time.

 

[StudioTan]

who would get paid to get lit on fire

no one

My girlfriend read in an interview that that shot used a stuntman who they blasted with a flamethrower.

 

[Madness]

who would get paid to get lit on fire

no one

Stunt men. Plus the technology has improved so much, that people keep breaking records for how long they stay aflame before being put out. If you watch Halloween 2, the original sequel, watch when he's supposedly lit on fire. The stunt man is supposed to be Michael Myers, but he looks like the Michelin man with all the padding etc. It was great at the time but I cringe now.

I think it worked here, the stream of fire from her Dragon's mouth looks amazing because it's a real flamethrower lol. I love the fact the production values are rising so much, hopefully people keep buying the blu-rays, subscribe to HBO, HBO Go so they realize they can spend the extra cash to make it good.