Hasphat'sAnts
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Piss on Ned and his precious honor.
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Cersei implied, but Joffrey has no reason to kill Robert's bastards, because as far as he knows, he is Robert's legitimate heir. It was the fact the ALL of Robert's children had the dark black Baratheon hair that caused Cersei to want them disappeared. Cersei was covering her tracks to Tyrion, who already knows what sort of monster Joffrey is.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Oaths are sacred in the Seven Kingdoms and no oath is more sacred than the oath of a member of the Kingsguard. Not only did he betray his oath to his king but he put a sword through his back. Regardless of whether or not it was warranted you cannot do that as a member of the Kingsguard.
True Blood is a poor show as well, so I'll be happy to see when GoT overtakes it.
Lord of Light usually does things with Fire, you say?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The spike for this episode was fucking huge, too.
Yeah, this is what I mean. I don't know if I'd call Melisandre's behaviour as evil, but certainly the intentions are far more self serving and sinister. Yet both are obviously successfully evoking whatever the Lord of Light is. It's easy to lump gods into categories of good/evil, but I don't think that's the case here. I'm also under the belief that the Lord of Light is only obscure in Westeros. Elsewhere it is worshipped and practiced as if it were any other normal god.
David Incorporated Esq.
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It was a matter of pride for Jaime. He saw that Ned had judged him as an oathbreaker already so he decided to own it and be the bad guy--basically a "Fuck you I don't need your approval".
I think it's more the fact that Jamie Lannister was part of the King's Guard. He had sworn to protect the king. Technically, he was no longer a Lannister. Pretty much like the dude that was fired from the Kingsguard (something you don't do, by the way) and went to serve Daenerys. He served the Mad King, he served Robert, he was serving Joffrey. That's what you do when you become part of the King's Guard: You serve the king. For life. Whoever he may be.
Jamie betrayed that oath by doing the exact opposite. The last episode we got the explanation why. It wasn't some plan woven by the Lannisters, Jamie simply couldn't stand the order to kill his own father (direct order given to him by the Mad King) AND allow thousands of innocents to die. So he killed both the Pyromancer and the Mad King.
Here comes the Starks honor to fuck things up: Ned Stark didn't care. He instantly judged him as an oathbreaker, as he was supposed to protect the king.
The Horror the horror
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I don't understand why Ned's approval meant so much to him, considering Jaime mocked the notion of Ned's unwavering honor to Cat while he was still a prisoner of the Starks.
I think it was more of the fact that Ned is held as the standard of honor, when based on all of the information, even Ned would have probably done the same. Instead, Jamie is forever branded as Oath Breaker and King Slayer.
I loved when after he collapses, Brienne screams for help for the King Slayer, and Jamie says, "My name is Jamie."
I think he's sick of being judged poorly about an action that saved untold thousands of innocent lives.
I don't think it did. However, I think it made everybody on the Realm judge him, as he said to Brianne.
At first, I though Kingslayer was a nice nickname, because he was the one that killed the mad king. However, it's a reminder that he cannot be trusted, has no honor, has no word. And I'm pretty sure Ned had something to do with making that his "name" throughout the realm.
The spike for this episode was fucking huge, too.
The episode before the latest one was pretty amazing, I was keenly anticipating the numbers for the most recent episode to see how the viewership would respond to it and that kind of bump is more than I was reasonably expecting. Such a big jump I kind of wonder if the finale will fair much better after looking at that graph.
Steelyuhas
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It already has. True Blood didn't get this many viewers on an episode until late season 3 (its 10th episode).
Not a fan of that tbh, I was really only thinking about the women.
Funky Papa
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I feel bilked by the lack of firebush, TBH.
Burning bush is the more obvious joke. C'mon people!
I'm not going to comment on what he said because I don't care but it might have been the two guys rolling around together on various beds rather than just a bit of cock that led to him to make that statement.
ElectricBlue187
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What Jaime said was known (I remember Rob Baratheon and him talking about the "burn them" comment) but it doesn't change the fact that he murdered a King by stabbing him in the back. Ned's rigid morality meant he was unable to forgive such a dishonorable act, despite the cost of not doing so, it seems his son is following in his footsteps.
Ned was also pissed at the Lannisters already for sacking King's Landing
Well yeah there's that, but I can tell you with certainty that he's willfully ignoring everything else about the episode and making it solely about that. Shame really because the show deserves better. :/
as said before nobody knew about the Mad King going to burn all of Kings Landing but Jaime they know he burned people in court. They had no clue that Jaime basically saved hundreds maybe thousands of innocent lives because Ned already judged him traitor before hearing what happened.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Man, I don't know what pipe you guys are smoking but Ygritte is pretty as hell.
I don't like skinny girls, but she seemed alright to me. Some chicks are just naturally built that way.
I don't like skinny girls, but she seemed alright to me. Some chicks are just naturally built that way.
Well the shows producers have definitely made it a point to over-emphasise the sex aspects of the show but I can't begrudge them using it as a selling point in a fantasy series considering how well the episodes are coming together so far. But yea I think your friend has some self discovery in his future if he dwells on things like that, even briefly.
David Incorporated Esq.
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When Jaime said it Bob the King looked puzzled and they didn't talk anymore about it.
It was supposed to be Ned you fool! Haha
Yeah, I got the impression that some of the dishonor was because Jamie stabbed him in the back. Seems I remember Ned saying something about that to him.
As for willies, GoT has shown plenty of lady parts. Why not give the other half a bone once in a while? Not my cup of tea but I give the show a lot of credit for being one of the very few TV series (in the US at least) to show male frontal nudity.
Just wanted to add that I'm more and more impressed with casting for this show. Many of the established characters already had a strong showing in S2 - but Lord Tywin's introduction left me wondering if the actor chosen could display the sense of rational menace that basically made everyone fear&respect him in the books.
Episode 5 of this season cleared any doubts I had to that end - Charles Dance absolutely nailed the character.
Episode 5 of this season cleared any doubts I had to that end - Charles Dance absolutely nailed the character.
neoism
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yeah I see them being the best of the Starks be far.... they already are really.
finally watched the last episode, awesome stuff and makes me wonder about a thing or 2
will the karstarks return when they learn that robb tends to attack casterly rock?
wtf is with stannis´s daughter? is she a dragon? caus at first, I thought it was burn marks, but then it almost looked like scales
and holy shit! the kingslayer is a hero after all, or is he?
finally, some boobs, neogaf rejoice!
and that sex scene with snow/ingrid makes me wanna go to that cave and bring my wife with me, wonder if it´s on Þingvellir or somewhere else
this lord of light stuff is starting to confuse me, at first I thought it was only melissandre when she arrived on the comet (didn´t she?) but now the brotherhood also affiliates with the lord of light?
does that make 3 super powers at work? Wight walkers, Dragons and the Lord of Light?!?
will the karstarks return when they learn that robb tends to attack casterly rock?
wtf is with stannis´s daughter? is she a dragon? caus at first, I thought it was burn marks, but then it almost looked like scales
and holy shit! the kingslayer is a hero after all, or is he?
finally, some boobs, neogaf rejoice!
and that sex scene with snow/ingrid makes me wanna go to that cave and bring my wife with me, wonder if it´s on Þingvellir or somewhere else
this lord of light stuff is starting to confuse me, at first I thought it was only melissandre when she arrived on the comet (didn´t she?) but now the brotherhood also affiliates with the lord of light?
does that make 3 super powers at work? Wight walkers, Dragons and the Lord of Light?!?
They're like the Jedi of Westeros!
BobTheFork
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I'd say No sir.
Tryion asked her about it directly and she didn't even know about it before hand. It was all Joffrey.
It's funny because they were the outcasts of the family too.
Funky Papa
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You leave Arya alone.
I think she pretended not to know about it.
BobTheFork
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I would disagree. Tyrion presses her about it and he thought she didn't know. She even got upset because she can't control him. Joffery also just asked about the rumors of her and uncle Jamie just before that.
Funky Papa
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I still think Cersei did it out of desperation.
Rodney McKay
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I was so fucking tense during the fight at the beginning. I love the Hound so much and I was terrified they were going to kill him. Very awesome fight, and a great conclusion as well.
I also like that we're getting back to the bridge guy plot with Robb having to marry his daughter. I don't know how marriges are like in this universe, but couldn't Robb just have two wives? Keep his current one and then marry the bridge dude's daughter just as a formality?
That guy had a dozen wives or something didn't he? Or were those just concubines or something?
I also like that we're getting back to the bridge guy plot with Robb having to marry his daughter. I don't know how marriges are like in this universe, but couldn't Robb just have two wives? Keep his current one and then marry the bridge dude's daughter just as a formality?
That guy had a dozen wives or something didn't he? Or were those just concubines or something?
hermitpurple
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I don't really think Robb keeping Karstark as a hostage woulda worked out. Karstark's men would have stuck around, but they would be mad resentful and probably look for the first opportunity to betray Robb. Karstark forced Robb to choose between two terrible options when he killed those kids.
He just outlived a lot of them as far as I can remember.
The problem is, the rest of the country isn't like the Starks. And so, the Starks get taken advantage of. It's why Ned didn't really want to be Hand of King anyway.
I wouldn't say the downfall is believing in absolutes, which more people should do at times, it's that they forget others are not like them.
People say Ned got himself killed, not really, Cersei, Joffrey, Baelish and others killed him. If anything, the one act that killed him is when he went against his honor and lied.
Imagine if he said right there in Kings Landing that Joffrey is the bastard son of Jamie Lannister and not Robert Baratheon, he'd have still lost his head, but maybe he'd plant seeds of doubt in the entire crowd, and wouldn't be a traitor, because it was the honorable Ned Stark's word against Cersei or the oathbreaking Kingslayer etc.
Remember even Gendry said to Arya your father is a traitor, because he lied and said Joffrey was the true king and blah blah.
All these new problems for Robb are because his family stopped acting like they used to. If he married that Frey daughter, he'd have nearly double the men he does now, there wouldn't be whispers behind his back because he married the, in Karstark's words, 'foreign bitch' etc. The men would know he stands by his word, that he's not just looking out for himself.
Catelyn became selfish. Her daughters are worth more to her than any person Jamie might kill when he returns to Kings Landing. She acts without thinking. Because of her, their closest ally didn't get his vengeance and instead developed feelings of hatred and resentment. What's her punishment for high treason? To be watched a bit more closely and guarded at times.
Robb could have imprisoned Karstark, told his men that he committed treason, keep fighting or he'll be beheaded. Sure he'd develop more resentment in his ranks, but he'd still have the men. Karstark is also someone you'd want to keep around, ask for advice etc. If you win the war, tax or punish Karstark then.
I wouldn't say the downfall is believing in absolutes, which more people should do at times, it's that they forget others are not like them.
People say Ned got himself killed, not really, Cersei, Joffrey, Baelish and others killed him. If anything, the one act that killed him is when he went against his honor and lied.
Imagine if he said right there in Kings Landing that Joffrey is the bastard son of Jamie Lannister and not Robert Baratheon, he'd have still lost his head, but maybe he'd plant seeds of doubt in the entire crowd, and wouldn't be a traitor, because it was the honorable Ned Stark's word against Cersei or the oathbreaking Kingslayer etc.
Remember even Gendry said to Arya your father is a traitor, because he lied and said Joffrey was the true king and blah blah.
All these new problems for Robb are because his family stopped acting like they used to. If he married that Frey daughter, he'd have nearly double the men he does now, there wouldn't be whispers behind his back because he married the, in Karstark's words, 'foreign bitch' etc. The men would know he stands by his word, that he's not just looking out for himself.
Catelyn became selfish. Her daughters are worth more to her than any person Jamie might kill when he returns to Kings Landing. She acts without thinking. Because of her, their closest ally didn't get his vengeance and instead developed feelings of hatred and resentment. What's her punishment for high treason? To be watched a bit more closely and guarded at times.
Robb could have imprisoned Karstark, told his men that he committed treason, keep fighting or he'll be beheaded. Sure he'd develop more resentment in his ranks, but he'd still have the men. Karstark is also someone you'd want to keep around, ask for advice etc. If you win the war, tax or punish Karstark then.
Trojita
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Not all Starks are like that at all. Ned's older brother Brandon and Lyanna were both hotblooded, known as having Wolf's Blood. Benjen is a badass ranger.
Robb acts like his father, in a way emulating him and his style as Lord since he was readied from birth to be heir to Winterfell. Sansa is a naive girl which is obvious. Bran would often disobey his mother like children that age, he is thought to be a cool and calm collected person. Arya is hotblooded like Ned's sister, and Rickon is wild.
I would agree that they are more honorable than the Lannisters of course. Doesn't help that the origin's of the Lannister's ruling Casterly Rock is based on a story where their ancestor tricks the Casterly's out.
With all the bridges Robb burned I hope all of thee mishaps teaches him to forgive Theon. It would be amazing if Theon is his only hope to save their family.
The Lord of Light isn't the only diety pulling strings.
That old god the Stark's pray to has been protecting them more or less. The problem with the old gods is that their sphere of influence is limited. In the past shrines for them were all over Westeros and then some how the 7 new gods arose and just convinced the southernors to burn down all the shrines. (I have my doubts they are even real in the same way the Lord of Light or the Old Gods are real )
Without the direwolves being gifted to the Starks they would've been in a lot more trouble than they were now.
Jon Snow and Jormant would've died at the Gate, Bran would've died to the assassin, Rickum would be less sane, etc.
The Lord of Light isn't the only diety pulling strings.
That old god the Stark's pray to has been protecting them more or less. The problem with the old gods is that their sphere of influence is limited. In the past shrines for them were all over Westeros and then some how the 7 new gods arose and just convinced the southernors to burn down all the shrines. (I have my doubts they are even real in the same way the Lord of Light or the Old Gods are real )
Without the direwolves being gifted to the Starks they would've been in a lot more trouble than they were now.
Jon Snow and Jormant would've died at the Gate, Bran would've died to the assassin, Rickum would be less sane, etc.
Funky Papa
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Is this a joke?
Trojita
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Since when have you seen a kid non-chalantly pop out of a grave with a huge ass shaggy wolf? It's obvious no one knows where the fuck he is. Then you have the scene where Bran is trying to talk with Winterfell's citizens and the kid is breaking nuts on the table with a rock or something.
Mercury Fred
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I was totally dozing off/ spacing out during the bathtub conversation between Jamie and the amazon knight. Can anyone recap the key points for me?
Funky Papa
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I dunno, he seems like a bit absent minded.
Although he did look like a bit of a psycho with those nuts...
Here's most of it.
Here's the whole scene on YT. Remember to never read any comments. I didn't check if they have any spoilers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTxjGUh5oOM
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