Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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You can tell he has genuine concern about his daughter but he's Stannis. And at the end that became painfully clear. The man has the consideration of other people's feelings that a hungry wolverine has of table manners.
Funky Papa
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Talking about table manners, that Tywin scene...
Papa Lannister went from regal BAMF to biggest douchelord in Westeros in less than five minutes.
What a cunt.
Papa Lannister went from regal BAMF to biggest douchelord in Westeros in less than five minutes.
What a cunt.
Lol what? his always been a 'cunt' and a badass as well.
ElectricBlue187
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Pretty much the worst matchups I could think of lol
well, Robb really needed his men. He started a war and now he's in a terrible position. He should have listened to everyone else
Big Baybee
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No one is saying she is ugly, at least I'm not. She is pretty, just extremely skinny.Some of you talking about Ygritte basically sound like this classic :
Only the North still worships the Old Gods. Stannis was raised in the Faith of the Seven, which is why they burned the seven idols in S2.
Its funny how much her potential marriage with Loras mirrors her marriage with Robert. Both were popular, well respected fighters who had their lovers taken away from them by death and then have to marry for political gains. At least Loras will try to be more discreet than Robert was when he eventually cheats on Cersei.
Cersei and Loras isn't too awful. She can continue to bang her brother, and he can go bang dudes. Everyone's happy, and business carries on as usual for the two.
What made Cersei's situation even funnier is that Tywin is also concerned about dispelling certain rumors that are floating around about her.
*facepalm*
ElectricBlue187
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She would have to give up all of her power as queen reagent in Kings Landing and go be Lady Tyrell of Highgarden. Another loveless marriage she has no control over and a total downgrade.
Stevie Gerrard
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Great thread, been reading through it.
Pretty good episode, but not as good as last week.
I never thought Stannis was that into the Lord of Light stuff, just saw Melisandre as a powerful weapon that he wanted for himself. He pretty much mumbles his "The night is dark and full of terror" during the ceremony, and there's a scene later on when she scolds him for not being fully devoted. I hope he can get his shit together, he was awesome in season 2.
Tywin is a mesmerising presence but he's also a total cunt. And his line last week to Cersei about her not being as smart as she thinks she is ... well how about Golden Boy Jaime getting captured twice, and then outsmarted by one of Bolton's thugs, or Tywin himself not realising Arya was under his nose, or needing Cersei to inform him of Granny Tyrell's influence growing (strong) like a weed. I'm with Cersei on this... she looks pretty close to losing her shit and I wouldn't blame her.
I loved the sword fight. Not usually that fussed about the action sequences but this one was great. Was cheering for The Hound. The Lord of Light seems like an incredibly powerful god compared to whatever the others worship, you can understand why the followers are so devoted. I wonder what rituals the priest (Thoros?) and Beric had to perform to get these powers. Also how does their brotherhood and what they're trying to do fit with what Melisandre was doing to help Stannis, presumably if Stannis' armies were wandering around Westeros they'd be trying to take them down too?
I'm really hoping for the Robb-Arya re-unitement soon.
Pretty good episode, but not as good as last week.
I never thought Stannis was that into the Lord of Light stuff, just saw Melisandre as a powerful weapon that he wanted for himself. He pretty much mumbles his "The night is dark and full of terror" during the ceremony, and there's a scene later on when she scolds him for not being fully devoted. I hope he can get his shit together, he was awesome in season 2.
Tywin is a mesmerising presence but he's also a total cunt. And his line last week to Cersei about her not being as smart as she thinks she is ... well how about Golden Boy Jaime getting captured twice, and then outsmarted by one of Bolton's thugs, or Tywin himself not realising Arya was under his nose, or needing Cersei to inform him of Granny Tyrell's influence growing (strong) like a weed. I'm with Cersei on this... she looks pretty close to losing her shit and I wouldn't blame her.
I loved the sword fight. Not usually that fussed about the action sequences but this one was great. Was cheering for The Hound. The Lord of Light seems like an incredibly powerful god compared to whatever the others worship, you can understand why the followers are so devoted. I wonder what rituals the priest (Thoros?) and Beric had to perform to get these powers. Also how does their brotherhood and what they're trying to do fit with what Melisandre was doing to help Stannis, presumably if Stannis' armies were wandering around Westeros they'd be trying to take them down too?
I'm really hoping for the Robb-Arya re-unitement soon.
BobTheFork
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Yeah, what's the cooldown on that rez? I would hope it's at least a week.
You get a stacking debuff already, don't think it needs a cooldown.
She has to give up her power as queen regent anyway when Joffrey gets married.
I would think Lady Tyrell of Highgarden with the arrangement as it would theoretically exist would be probably the best she could do after actual queen.
"You didn't have enough faith/you weren't fully devoted" is a common excuse religious leaders use to explain why God didn't grant a new convert a victory.
"I prayed for X, why didn't God listen?"
"You didn't believe ENOUGH."
Stannis is totally devoted--he's willing to cheat on his wife, arrest heretics and atheists, and believe in fortune telling and religious predictions. Remember how he wanted to kill Melisandre at the end of last season but she convinced him not to via fire-visions?
Guy's in too deep.
Cooldown is really low, but it comes at a permanent reduction of maximum HP.
she was so smug looking during that whole scene and then Tywin slaps her down with the "marry a gay dude, you brood mare".
How does that compare to other (past and current) popular TV series?
Don't really know. The article does say that last years True Blood premiered to 5.2 million viewers.
Looks like it will be in rare air if it can get close to 6 mil! Clearly this is the show HBO is building itself around now.Relevant, I'd say:
Trouncing Boardwalk Empire and catching up to True Blood (when you consider the numbers for S3 so far, which weren't plotted on that graph yet).
Thanks again WiC!
But, if there was ever an act that needed some justice this was it. Plus the way Karstark started mouthing off Robb had to show he was in control somehow.
EatChildren
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A symbolic and lawful decision isn't always the right one though. It's a criticism that befalls Ned too, and something I think Game of Thrones really wants to push. There's no truly good, decent, or "right" way to go about many things, even if the person making decisions is indeed good and decent, upholding laws and traditions as they rightfully should be. The reality of life is that sometimes we need to step back and make decisions we don't want to, that contradict what we've been taught and what we believe, to hope for a better outcome than the alternative.
And I think that's why Robb is criticised. By all accounts of Northern law he did the "right" thing. Karstark is a traitor who potentially jeopardised the Stark war effort, has no respect for Robb as king, and is clearly too untrustworthy and unstable to be a reliable ally. By all accounts a sentence to death is just, as it's what anybody would have got, and what is expected of the king.
But they're still at war, still struggling with that economy, and need to consider their alliances and what best favours the war effort, not laws, traditions, and feelings. Robb did what he thought had to be done by Northern law, but I'm not confident it was the right choice in the long run. Now Robb has lost a massive chunk of his war effort, and must barter with a man who he had previously made a very important oath to that he is not only yet to honour, but has outright betrayed. Walder Frey is not completely loyal to the Starks, is difficult to deal with, and Catelyn warns Robb he's not to be trusted. I really think Robb's plans for an alliance are not going to go down well.
Funky Papa
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Lord Karstark whateverhisnameis had it coming. While Robb would have been better by holding him hostage, you never EVER poo-poo on your commander in chief and treat him with open disdain in front of the rest of the officers/troops, particularly in times of war. He thought Robb had gone soft... what now, motherfucker.
Still, there is no way this is going to end well. Robb is starting to look like the breathing image of his dead father. And now he's 100% dependant on the man he so recklessly crossed at the start of the rebellion...
Still, there is no way this is going to end well. Robb is starting to look like the breathing image of his dead father. And now he's 100% dependant on the man he so recklessly crossed at the start of the rebellion...
Frank the Great
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i think robb can be forgiven for what he did with karstark, even though it was stupid there are arguments for and against.
but the real stupidity was when he married the hot chick. dumbest move of the series so far imo, he acted like a lovesick teenager instead of the leader of an army. that was his downfall, as karstark said. as soon as robb married that girl i told my gf "robb is going to die soon." there's just no way this ends well . . .
but the real stupidity was when he married the hot chick. dumbest move of the series so far imo, he acted like a lovesick teenager instead of the leader of an army. that was his downfall, as karstark said. as soon as robb married that girl i told my gf "robb is going to die soon." there's just no way this ends well . . .
Robb still has House Bolton, but I'm not so sure about them: They have Jamie, Bolton was very friendly to him and we still don't know who set Winterfell ablaze.
This Theon loose thread is really driving me insane.
tycoonheart
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Yep. He's also too much like Ned, sticks to his principles and honor. And in Westeros, you've got to be cunning, manipulative and even dishonorable to survive. I too think Robb is going die soon.
Funky Papa
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Lord Bolton seemed fiercely loyal until he greeted Jaime. Considering that and Theon's hijinks... Yeah, at this point I basically trust the Tullys to do the right thing and nobody else. The Blackfish looks like a badass mofo, and Cat's nephew (he is her nephew, right?), as dumb as he may be, seems eager to help.
Not really a spoiler, but PM if you want more background on Thoros, Beric and The Lord of Light. The show can't detail everything, but there is some cool stuff about those two prior to creating the Brotherhood.
I really do like that the Starks seem to represent a more principled way of doing things (As opposed to the Lanisters' amoral self interest), but I also think they represent this sort of pinnacle of absolutism. There are obvious pitfalls to this sort of discipline. They do end up in situations where sticking to principal can indeed lead to unwanted consequences that lead to more harm in the long run.
I'm hoping the Starks living in exile /on the fringes of society like Jon and Arya end up finding a different moral frame work with a little more foresight.
I'm hoping the Starks living in exile /on the fringes of society like Jon and Arya end up finding a different moral frame work with a little more foresight.
No, Edmure is Catelyn youngest brother. Talking about Cat she look really good in last episode.
The Starks are overly moral, but they've had their missteps as well. Ned did father a Bastard and Robb made a deal and instantly turned against it. Robb's mom also betrayed the entire army by letting Jamie go, but she's walking around like nothing happened.
Sure, they're singular examples, but even then they exist. It's even a point that Jamie has been making since the beginning of the series. But yes, The Starks are the direct opposite of the Lannisters. So far, the Starks got the short end of the stick of that deal...
I still think Jon Snow will be saving grace of this entire realm - All the kings in Westeros killing each other when a much bigger threat is coming - from two different places no less.
You act like you need to think Jaime is a purely good person in order to like him as a character. As we are seeing, he's more complex then a pure villain who just does things out of villainy, and that complexity makes him fascinating.
Funky Papa
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Well, so far Arya looks every bit as strong headed as Robb...
Still skeptical about this lord of light stuff. There has to be more to it. I mean, with all the magic they show attributed to this god you'd think it would be a no brainer for people to follow it. However we don't know if the LoL is benevolent or not, or if all this magic is completely unrelated. It's been said that dragons and magic have a strong connection and magic has become more prevalent since Dany's dragons appeared, so this could just be people taking advantage of a situation.
Robb has definitely messed up outside his initial victories. He is a character that is strongly driven by emotions. Pretty much every major decision, going to war, marrying Talisa, killing Karstark etc. has been driven by seemingly off the cuff reactions. He still maintains his father's sense of honor, but his emotion-driven actions really show the difference between them. I don't see how he can completely rebound after all his recent failures unless Stannis does something.
Robb has definitely messed up outside his initial victories. He is a character that is strongly driven by emotions. Pretty much every major decision, going to war, marrying Talisa, killing Karstark etc. has been driven by seemingly off the cuff reactions. He still maintains his father's sense of honor, but his emotion-driven actions really show the difference between them. I don't see how he can completely rebound after all his recent failures unless Stannis does something.
Well, the resurrected guy basically said that a piece of his soul is taken for every revival. Sounds like a deal with the devil if you ask me.
Still, the title of it all "A song of Ice and Fire" with the Lord of Light seemingly being very connected to fire and the White Walkers, seems to be some duality to it all.
EatChildren
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Yeah, exactly. The Starks are honourable and trustworthy and all that, but this isn't supposed to be a fairy tale. As admirable as those traits are, they don't always equate to the best outcome, and can at times act as a hindrance. Never deal in absolutes.
EDIT: I see the Lord of Light as neither good nor evil. Those are human ideals. I see it as...a force. Something, with or without intentions, but certainly "is".
Funky Papa
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Going back the the Lannisters... does anybody else loves what they did with Tywin? He was clearly an asshole during S2, but he was also a complete boss and his time with Arya made him relatable and human. Sure, he also sent the Mountain to rape and pillage, but I think his character needed a clear, blatant display of pure douchebaggery in order to turn the public against him.
Also, Cersei is holding herself together much better than I thought. By the end of S2 she was a rambling drunk at the brink of losing her shit, but right now she seems much more confident. Well, at least until her father bitchslapped her across the face with a steel gauntlet.
Also, Cersei is holding herself together much better than I thought. By the end of S2 she was a rambling drunk at the brink of losing her shit, but right now she seems much more confident. Well, at least until her father bitchslapped her across the face with a steel gauntlet.
I find interesting that he's a benign deity among the Brotherhood, but it's also pretty clear that he's being used/invoked for evil by Melisandre.
While it's true that their actions at times betray their principals, they still wrack themselves by trying to live up to these standards or atone in some way. That's something that most other houses don't even bother with. Ned had a bastard, but he still dealt with the consequences head on. Would a Lanister have done so? Oh that's right... they commit mass infanticide trying to kill their bastards (With the added irony that Jofrey himself is technically a bastard).
But that's strictly looking at who has better standards, but yes, the Starks have got the short end of the deal. Adhering to (or at times attempting to adhere to) such absolutes can hinder more long term gains for themselves and everyone who serves them.
The scene in which Jamie recounts to Brienne about how he came to turn on the Mad King was fantastic. I don't understand why it seemed such a revelation to her, though? She said Jamie should have told Ned Stark, and he replied that Ned judged him harshly before waiting for an explanation.
Can anyone explain? I mean, the Mad King is known as the freaking Mad King. He was doing crazy stuff, like setting people on fire. Surely Jamie turning on him can be understood? Everything Jamie said is basically what I expected. What was the big revelation there?
Can anyone explain? I mean, the Mad King is known as the freaking Mad King. He was doing crazy stuff, like setting people on fire. Surely Jamie turning on him can be understood? Everything Jamie said is basically what I expected. What was the big revelation there?
The big revelation is that he had the entirety of King's Landing rigged to blow with wild fire, and was about to set it off killing thousands (millions?) of innocents in the process. Whereas before it was his "enemies" who he was killing and setting fire to, so there was some form of justification to the public I suppose. Pair that with the revelation that Jaime didn't merely kill the Mad King out of pure betrayal because his own father was in the process of sacking the city, but because he was preventing the deaths of innocents as well.
Stevie Gerrard
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At the end of S2 she thought Kings Landing was going to fall, and the inevitable consequences of that. This season she's gotten a glimpse of how the Tyrells run things with women at the forefront and she's thinking why can't she do that too. I'm really intrigued with where her storyline will go.
Who ordered the killing of Robert's bastards at the start of S2? Was that Cersei?
pr0cs
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people have worshipped the 7 for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. Something like that isn't going to change overnight.
Not to mention people like Mel BBQing people in a gods name doesn't seem to install a lot of trust in non-believers either.. look at Davos for example.
I think it's implied that Joffrey actually did that. There was a scene, and I can't remember where it was specifically, between Tyrion and Cersei that alluded to that.
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