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[lastflowers]

Don't drag peoples post history out, answer arguments or ignore instead. Geez.

I now have a lot of ignored users once I found this out. It's a nice thing for your sanity.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

So who would you guys trust more?

Ars or EDGE?

This needs to stop. It's not Ars vs EDGE, it's an internal email from Microsoft vs unfounded rumors.

There's literally no comparison between the two.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

Waiting not so much patiently for the 21st...

I hope that in some years from now will be written report about this whole online story, would be really cool to know all the little pieces of the puzzle.

Waiting for that too!

 

[Officerrob]

So who would you guys trust more?

Ars or EDGE?

Both are reputable, I'll go with the one that is most recent considering these things change

 

[Takuya]

MS on the 21st.

I honestly don't even think they'll bring up the matter.

 

[RurouniZel]

So wait... Microsoft sends an internal e-mail to...People working on the new Xbox...

To tell them that it works without a connection...

Shouldn't they know this if they've been working on the damn thing?

What the heck is this?

That's what I thought too. It read like "Remember that always on thing you were doing? Response has been poor, so let's not"

 

[Alx]

That + there's no way they could react so quickly and change something so fundamental in a system they've been working on for years lol

That wouldn't be true, it's only software and I'm sure the OS is not finalized yet. It wouldn't be too hard for them to "hack" their own security system so that it always answers "yes" when asked if a game is allowed to run.
I don't believe in the last minute change, though. I'm sure they were aware of the possible negativity on such a feature, so the noise on forums shouldn't have been a surprise, nor a reason to change their strategy. If they decided at one point to have always online DRM, they knew it would happen.

 

[BRocknRolla]

I'm not saying they'll have GDDR5 RAM, but that they will pull something no on expected (Just like Sony did with 8GB GDDR5 RAM) I don't know if it'll be a better CPU, or GPU, or more RAM than people expected, or maybe full backwards compatibility, or maybe Microsoft will have some GDDR5 RAM themselves, but I'm willing to bet Microsoft will surprise a few people.

I really hope this is the case. I'm a big fan of nice tech and I'd like to see MS punching in the same weight as Sony. If their policies are the same, then those are the points I'm likely going to focus on when making my decisions.

Since I'm not planning on getting both, I'll want whichever has the best third party title performance, and since the platforms seem to have mostly the same baseline, I'd imagine whichever has the better ancillary tech will have the better performance.

 

[Ardenyal]

So can we now get a confirmation on free online aswell?

Shitty practices not turning even shittier is not great news, they need to do more..

 

[XtremeXpider]

You can currently watch Live tv on your 360 with Windows Media Center. Unless they have changed something in the last two years.

I doubt that is what they mean though.

You can wath live TV if:

1) You have a PC with Media Center
2) You have a tv tunner card
3) The PC is turned on

Current Xbox 360 can work like a multimedia receiver (Hulu, Vudu, Netflix, etc), but it is slow, if you want to change from app to app it take sime time.

I want something like Roku/Apple TV (fast start up, fast change from app to app) and I want HTPC capabilities.

I would like it too but my tv has the satellite receiver built in so I won't be able to use it.
Maybe MS plans to integrate a receiver?

I don't think so, we need more details.

 

[Officerrob]

I honestly don't even think they'll bring up the matter.

They probably won't but you can bet people like Mattrick will be available for interviews and this will be asked if it's not brought-up during the event

 

[Takuya]

This needs to stop. It's not Ars vs EDGE, it's an internal email from Microsoft vs unfounded rumors.

There's literally no comparison between the two.

lol.

Both are unfounded. We know nothing of the sources for this e-mail. Actually, we know as much about the sources of this e-mail as we do for the sources of all the other rumors.

 

[A good poster]

I honestly don't even think they'll bring up the matter.

They'll definitely bring it up during a post-conference interview.

 

[shinobi602]

This needs to stop. It's not Ars vs EDGE, it's an internal email from Microsoft vs unfounded rumors.

There's literally no comparison between the two.

Can we see a screencap of the actual email?

 

[A good poster]

Can we see a screencap of the actual email?

I'm going to believe a specific source (internal email) than the vague sources.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

FYI, they won't.

Neither will Sony.

If you don't want heavy entertainment features
in your gaming console then the best system to get out of the three is the Wii U.

Except for actually having games

 

[statham]

It begins.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

On the bright side May 21st is not far away

 

[Takuya]

They'll definitely bring it up during a post-conference interview.

Neither, unless the interviewer brings it up first.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

This is good news, now make sure you state that during the big reveal.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Console wars... Ugly stuff.

Unless ended swiftly

 

[FrankT]

Both are reputable, I'll go with the one that is most recent considering these things change

Yup. No question Ars is correct at this point, but that isn't to say Edge wasn't correct back earlier this year.

 

[Lakitu]

Maybe people will be better off waiting for the 21st.

 

[A good poster]

Neither, unless the interviewer brings it up first.

Of course the interviewer will bring it up, that's what I meant.

 

[Auto_aim1]

It wasn't really Edge though. Other sites also echoed the same thing that the next Xbox will require an internet connection. Maybe Microsoft changed their policy at the last minute? Can't really say for sure. I think both Edge and Ars are accurate, just that Ars is reporting on the latest development.

 

[Neuromancer]

Both are reputable, I'll go with the one that is most recent considering these things change

That's the way I look at it. Edge's rumor may have been accurate at the time but who knows what could have happened since then.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

lol.

Both are unfounded. We know nothing of the sources for this e-mail. Actually, we know as much about the sources of this e-mail as we do for the sources of all the other rumors.

An internal email from Microsoft vs reports from insiders that "can change" is not even remotely comparable. You can choose to doubt Ars Technica's credibility on this to suit your blatant agenda if you want, but there's no real tangible reason for anyone else to do the same.

 

[Syphon Filter]

You guys didn't make enough gifs to hold over till the 21st, boo....

 

[shinobi602]

I'm going to believe a specific source (internal email) than the vague sources.

Eh, both seem equally vague. Who even sent this email to Ars?

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Neither, unless the interviewer brings it up first.

Actually, I hope they bring it up during their reveal, just to be extra snarky about it.

 

[Takuya]

Of course the interviewer will bring it up, that's what I meant.

Yes, that's a given due to all the press this issue has been getting, but I'm not expecting Microsoft to answer any of those questions.

 

[Jomjom]

I don't think any reasonable person on GAF really believed that the next Xbox would be online-required, so this is no surprise.

 

[DragonSworne]

Getting desperate are we?

This only makes you desperate...

 

[TacticalFox88]

They obviously changed it seeing people's reaction.

 

[A good poster]

Yes, that's a given due to all the press this issue has been getting, but I'm not expecting Microsoft to answer any of those questions.

Why wouldn't they? The only reason they're holding back now is because the console didn't even exist until a few weeks ago.

 

[MasLegio]

I'm going to believe a specific source (internal email) than the vague sources.

and how do you know that this is an internal email?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Hopefully all these fools get fired soon

Take a deep breath dude.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

This only makes you desperate...

Desperate for what? I'm not buying Durango and neither are you.

 

[Takuya]

An internal email from Microsoft vs reports from insiders that "can change" is not even remotely comparable. You can choose to doubt Ars Technica's credibility on this to suit your blatant agenda if you want, but there's no real tangible reason for anyone else to do the same.

Coming from the one who thinks that this internal e-mail is truth and gospel. We know nothing of Ars' source, or even that souce's source for the internal e-mail.

They didn't even bother to post the entire e-mail, if there was actually one.

 

[DragonSworne]

They obviously changed it seeing people's reaction.

Hopefully, otherwise the past reactions will pale in comparision to what will happen on the 21st if the console is offically announced always online.

Either way, MS is going to have to change their stance if they haven't already.

 

[ultim8p00]

lol.

Both are unfounded. We know nothing of the sources for this e-mail. Actually, we know as much about the sources of this e-mail as we do for the sources of all the other rumors.

Wouldn't you agree that a "rumored" internal e-mail from MS itself, posted by ARS and corroborated by Paul holds..idk..a slight bit more credence than a bunch of rumors from vague secondary sources?

Is this really hard to understand GAF?

 

[Neuromancer]

So can we now get a confirmation on free online aswell?

Keep dreaming.

 

[dragonbane]

This needs to stop. It's not Ars vs EDGE, it's an internal email from Microsoft vs unfounded rumors.

There's literally no comparison between the two.

We don't even know if the mail really exists. A "source" of Ars claims it. Same as a "source" for Edge claimed that Xbox is always online. They're both rumours. We really know nothing.

 

[A good poster]

and how do you know that this is an internal email?

Because Ars stated so? Unless we're dismissing their validity now.

 

[DragonSworne]

Desperate for what? I'm not buying Durango and neither are you.

I'm getting a Durango

I have a Wii U of all pathetic systems to own, what makes you think I wouldn't get a Durango even if it is always online and xbox live is more expensive?

 

[MaulerX]

I'm pretty sure the always online debacle started with dev kits being required to be always online to control leaks. Didn't mean the final console would implement it. Anyway, hope we can move on from this crap.

 

[AlexBasch]

Because Ars stated so? Unless we're dismissing their validity now.

Look at it this way, if this turns to be untrue and MS implements online only, Ars is gonna take a huge hit on it's credibility and will be a thing that will be remembered for centuries to come.

If not, there's nothing to fret about.

 

[Zukuu]

So I can't play my multiplayer games offline? Really microsoft?!

 

[Takuya]

Wouldn't you agree that a "rumored" internal e-mail from MS itself, posted by ARS and corroborated by Paul holds..idk..a slight bit more credence than a bunch of rumors from vague secondary sources?

Is this really hard to understand GAF?

No, Paul tweeted that he'd only link to trusted sources, yet, he linked to his articles about always-online being true (this being a trustworthy source). Then he backtracked saying he "wasn't sure about what they meant" (lol). And now says he trusts Peter (the Ars editor) about a story about an e-mail (which is never fully posted) that doesn't come from Peter (his trusted source) but from some unknown, source.

EDGE posts about always-online, and about a bunch of specs for PS4. Specs turn out to be true, RAM upgrade turns out to be true... hur hur.

 

[dragonbane]

Wouldn't you agree that a "rumored" internal e-mail from MS itself, posted by ARS and corroborated by Paul holds..idk..a slight bit more credence than a bunch of rumors from vague secondary sources?

Is this really hard to understand GAF?

Ars source claims they have a mail from MS. Edge source claims they have documents from MS. We don't have any proof for both.