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[rdrr gnr]

Wow -- at that meltdown. Glorious.

 

[ultim8p00]

Here you go

100% confirmed legit.

lol

 

[VXLbeast]

This whole thing seems...odd.

 

[quickwhips]

Oh, but I thought Ars was super-trustworthy? They wouldn't post anything that was fake.. No.... Never!

All your post seem like your upset. Why is that?

 

[Chum]

Are you serious!? This GameFAQs shit needs to die pronto.

A news article from a reputable source posts positive news (or 'rumor' depending on your view) debunking the 'always on' myth and it generates pages of negativity? I'm only calling a spade a spade.

 

[Bleedorang3]

A question to everyone in this thread.

If Durango is not always online, but still blocks used games and requires Kinect 2.0 to function, will you still be interested in the console providing that its first party lineup is somewhat decent?

Of course. Blocking used games makes no difference to me as you allow a Digital Download store that offers sales so that I can potentially get games for less than MSRP. It's the same value proposition that selling back used games give you.

And Kinect being in every box is awesome in my opinion. It assures developer support, and I know my GF and my non-hardcore friends would love it.

Anyone have any idea as to why MS would send this email to their own employees that are working on Durango?

Wouldn't those employees already know if nextbox is always online or not?

Wait, Microsoft just e-mailed the people working on the new XBOX that it will work offline?

Aren't the people working on the new XBOX supposed have to have already known that? Why have an e-mail like that? That doesn't make sense.

I don't understand these comments. Do you people honestly believe that everyone on the Durango project knows everything about everything related to the console. It's like asking why a software dev working on a feature doesn't know what color the power button is. He's working on the console. Why doesn't he know everything?!

This is just being purposefully obtuse.

 

[kingocfs]

This whole thing seems...odd.

Agreed, why is this not in a pastebin? Someone put this in a pastebin so it seems more legit.

 

[Baconsammy]

Fine, I suppose.

To the mods: I didn't exactly know that saying stuff like that is bannable.

Juancho I guess you just admitted to purposefully trolling to get laughs out of it, which I'm pretty sure is bannable too, so I wouldn't be laughing if I were you. I'm going to go ahead and put you on my ignore list.

What both of you did is bannable. Baiting others to meltdown is almost as bad as the meltdown itself. If you feel like someone is treating you poorly, PM them and ask them to stop, and if they don't you can PM a mod and ask for assistance. Your reaction would have gotten you banned at Gamefaqs too.

 

[Meelow]

Here you go

If this is real, wouldn't they just be confirming the "Durango" name?

Edit: Lol so that was just a mock up to show to one person? Lol.

 

[Wynnebeck]

lmao do you realise, he created that in response to takuya ?

That's not the email? Damn you gaming_noob!

 

[Takuya]

All your post seem like your upset. Why is that?

Not sure how you read emotions.

 

[XtremeXpider]

If this is real, wouldn't they just be confirming the "Durango" name?

Durango is an "internal" name, not the commercial game.

And yes, it looks real, Durango is/was the project name.

 

[ultim8p00]

What both of you did is bannable. Baiting others to meltdown is almost as bad as the meltdown itself. If you feel like someone is treating you poorly, PM them and ask them to stop, and if they don't you can PM a mod and ask for assistance. Your reaction would have gotten you banned at Gamefaqs too.

Seems fair. I need to start using the ignore list for my sanity.

 

[Baconsammy]

I've seen his posts, his site is still garbage

He attempts to insulate his site by stating "Unless plans have changed" in every rumor story. Thus they can never be wrong.

 

[Moxx19]

Shit, it isn't even E3 yet and the meltdowns have already begun. Next month is going to be glorious.

On topic: Good, it would have been an incredibly stupid thing to do. I'm glad that they decide to "tolerate" us mere crappy internet mortals.

 

[Takuya]

Durango is a "internal" name, not the commercial game.

And yes, it looks real, Durango is/was the project name.

gaming_noob, you've outdone yourself this time.

 

[marrec]

Agreed, why is this not in a pastebin? Someone put this in a pastebin so it seems more legit.

http://pastebin.com/awqjeCK5

I found it.

 

[statham]

nice job gaming_noob! surprised someone fell for it.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

This whole thing seems...odd.

The only real odd thing is that many of us really need info to squash a rumor that was taken too seriously to begin with.

 

[Wynnebeck]

nice job gaming_noob! surprised someone fell for it.

Yea pretty funny joke but it doesn't make this story any more credible. Best course of action is to wait for the 21st and be done with it.

 

[Dreamgazer]

The only real odd thing is that many of us really need info to squash a rumor that was taken too seriously to begin with.

Are you referring to always online or this email?

Is anything real?

*confused*

 

[Proelite]

Here you go

Fake because that doesn't look like any email client that employees use. i.e. outlook

 

[quickwhips]

Wait its a trap right? Pastebin is bannable?

 

[XtremeXpider]

gaming_noob, you've outdone yourself this time.

What? there are two names, Durango (known from the twitter "Durango Summit") and Kryptos.

 

[Hindle]

Yea pretty funny joke but it doesn't make this story any more credible. Best course of action is to wait for the 21st and be done with it.

Just like the rumours stating the opposite really aren't credible. Funny thing is though I don't recall many wait until the reveal posts there.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Are you referring to always online or this email?

Is anything real?

*confused*

Well, that's kinda my point. By the nature of rumors and a policy of not commenting on rumors and speculation, all we're doing is waiting around for some other info that seems just legit enough to invalidate another piece of unconfirmed information.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Wait its a trap right? Pastebin is bannable?

Technically only in that one topic.

 

[derFeef]

Guys it's on VGLeaks, now it's true:
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-without-mandatory-internet-connection/

 

[Neuromancer]

Here you go

Damning evidence. Has Takuya responded yet?

 

[jbug617]

Durango code name was confirmed last year when a Crytek employee tweeted about the Durango developer conference.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/crytek-dev-confirms-durango-code-name-of-next-xbox-6351818

 

[Takuya]

Fake because that doesn't look like any email client that employees use. i.e. outlook

What? there are two names, Durango (known from the twitter "Durango Summit") and Kryptos.

Pretty sure it was obvious from the getgo that he just threw that together quickly in Paint/PS/Gimp.

Damning evidence. Has Takuya responded yet?

LOL, wow.... No words.

 

[DocSeuss]

I'm still pretty convinced that the devkits are always-online in order to prevent them from being leaked. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a requirement established in response to the "hey, ima sell this stuff on ebay!" guy. MS has supposedly already done some interesting stuff, like the zebrafication Kotaku did before--so I wouldn't be surprised if what happened was that devs who aren't necessarily in-the-loop see that the devkits are online-only, and report that the nextbox is online-only too.

 

[Reiko]

Guys it's on VGLeaks, now it's true:
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-without-mandatory-internet-connection/

Someone will spin this too.

 

[ThisWreckage]

"Leak" news to gamers that offline play is happening, pretend like they never considered always-online, come out as pro-consumer heroes.

Next, they'll announce a fuck-ton of money-hatted deals in their reveal conference + E3 and no one will even remember this issue (or any other negative issue regarding Durango).

Heroes, my ass. You're not a hero when Nintendo and Sony weren't doing this in the first place. The Wii U is definitely not always online and Sony already quashed those sentiments regarding the PS4 right after the unveiling. So no, not fucking over gamers is not some great miracle that Microsoft has bestowed upon the gaming world.

 

[reddmyst]

Nope. But at a place with similar setups. What I said isn't a secret, btw. There's lots of stories about how these companies function online. Many stories also about people interviewing at Microsoft and not having any idea what the job is, or what they'll be asked to do. Apple functions almost in the same exact fashion. I imagine Google as well. It's how you prevent leaks.

Wait, so you're saying that Microsoft are just now telling their employees they've been working on the next xbox? It's like, "This is what you've been working on since we've given you instructions, and here's how it actually works".

Oh well, that's how it came across to me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I want to believe.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Durango code name was confirmed last year when a Crytek employee tweeted about the Durango developer conference.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/crytek-dev-confirms-durango-code-name-of-next-xbox-6351818

And the vgleaks documentation (dev kits) have the Durango name inside:

 

[Wynnebeck]

Just like the rumours stating the opposite really aren't credible. Funny thing is though I don't recall many wait until the reveal posts there.

Never said that the other news is more credible either. The only reason people are saying that is because Edge reported it and they have been spot on for the last few rumors to have come from them. That's a pretty valid reason for anyone to add a little more credence to what Edge would say as opposed to what we are hearing from Ars. Of course, your last statement has a twinge of sarcasm in it so I'll let you take a deep breath on that.

 

[BRocknRolla]

I'm taking another look at this "email" and now I'm actually wondering: how is anyone not calling this a rumor?

Pretty sure it was obvious from the getgo that he just threw that together quickly in Paint/PS/Gimp.

LOL, wow.... No words.

I can't tell where the sarcasm starts and the dumb responses begin.

gaming_noob, you have outdone yourself.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

now we need someone to leak the specs, if they have changed.

 

[def sim]

Guys it's on VGLeaks, now it's true:
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-without-mandatory-internet-connection/

finally a source that isn't some two man, rinky dink site like ars technica

 

[Proelite]

Great comment from the article.

Of course, the existence of such a mass e-mail implies that this is a recent change in policy. My work never sends an e-mail to everyone to say, "Just FYI, the policy we've had this whole time is still the policy. Keep doing what you've been doing."

 

[ekim]

Fake because that doesn't look like any email client that employees use. i.e. outlook

You don't say...

 

[tfur]

According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox,

Seems unlikely and unnecessary for such an email to be sent via corporate email. How far out of the loop are your employees, where fundamentals of the system are unknown by the team.

"Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

Strange language to be using, especially when sending to the team working on the project. Does Microsoft normally send out controlled leaks in such contrived ways?

This better of not been leaked via pastebin...

 

[Baconsammy]

Wait, so you're saying that Microsoft are just now telling their employees they've been working on the next xbox? It's like, "This is what you've been working on since we've given you instructions, and here's how it actually works".

Oh well, that's how it came across to me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

I'm saying if you give no one the big picture, the big picture won't ever leak.

 

[wildfire]

ultim8p00
Banned

Good riddance.

 

[BruiserBear]

No. Online-required was never plausible and many of us were saying that all along. It cuts out major segments of the global market right from the get-go. It may not even be legal in some markets.

I understand people latched onto this because of the volume of rumors, or because they wanted to believe it. But I don't believe for a second this is a change in course.

haha, ok

So they just sent out this email because. My job has never sent out an email to all of us reaffirming what we've already been doing. They send out emails like this when there has been a change in plans.

 

[RobotRocker]

Guys it's on VGLeaks, now it's true:
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-without-mandatory-internet-connection/

Just saw this tidbit in the article

Why MS would have sent an internal e-mail? Microsoft changed their work methods since the firsts leaks come to light. Each section did not know anything about the other ones, so, MS had to report everyone with this point. I guess they had to clear this point between their employees.

Looks like Adam Orth likely had no idea the always online rumours were false and had a twitter meltdown over something not even true. And no one in the company could have told him till now.

That has got to be the shittiest way you can get yourself fired.

 

[Proelite]

Seems unlikely and unnecessary for such an email to be sent via corporate email. How far out of the loop are your employees, where fundamentals of the system are unknown by the team.

Not surprising at all. Teams are very "siloed" at big tech companies.

IEB division has something like 10,000 employees and vendors.

There are two reasons why management would want to send out emails.

1. Clearing up morale damaging misconception that the employees have.
2. Recent change of policy.

 

[QaaQer]

Wait, so you're saying that Microsoft are just now telling their employees they've been working on the next xbox? It's like, "This is what you've been working on since we've given you instructions, and here's how it actually works".

Oh well, that's how it came across to me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

I like the editor's pick in the ars comment section:

Of course, the existence of such a mass e-mail implies that this is a recent change in policy. My work never sends an e-mail to everyone to say, "Just FYI, the policy we've had this whole time is still the policy. Keep doing what you've been doing."