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[DEADEVIL]

Maybe it is, since i may have misread Baconsammy's post.

He's saying people complain about MS' focus on apps (on the 360), and i said that it's maybe because, since they're behind the paywall, a lot of people do not have access to them and would like them to focus on something else.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would MS not promote new features that they have for
Live, because people who don't have an Xbox or Gold don't have them. That's the whole point of promotion. Especially when they have 20 million people who do have Gold.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

I do think they should make an exception and allow Silver members to watch the unveil event too. You should want as many eyeballs as possible.

The Live Event app is available to everyone, silver included.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Disheartening for people hoping for a new PGR, because Turn10 is almost always associated with the Forza franchise.

Not really,and i don't see why it will effect new PGR,too much rumors and link pointed to new PGR

 

[Izick]

The Live Event app is available to everyone, silver included.

Touche, Microsoft...touche.

Not really,and i don't see why it will effect new PGR,too much rumors and link pointed to new PGR

I wouldn't expect MS to announce a Forza for sometime in 2014 if there's another big racing game (with lesser brand-recognition) planned for launch (window). I would think it would take some wind out of the sails of PGR. Then again, Sony is going to announce GT 6 (which is likely on the PS3) with DriveClub around the corner so I could be wrong though.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Touche, Microsoft...touche.



I wouldn't expect MS to announce a Forza for sometime in 2014 if there's another big racing game (with lesser brand-recognition) planned for launch (window). I would think it would take some wind out of the sails of PGR. Then again, Sony is going to announce GT 6 (which is likely on the PS3) with DriveClub around the corner so I could be wrong though.

They semi-official announced Forza 4 at 2010 E3 just because need to show the part of Kinect tech,Forza is something "tech demo" for MS now

 

[pharmboy044]

This might be overkill but I'm gonna do what I did for the PS4 meeting and have 3 streams going at once. Watch the GT/GiantBomb/IGN preshow, show and postshow.

 

[Izick]

They semi-official announced Forza 4 at 2010 E3 just because need to show the part of Kinect tech,Forza is something "tech demo" for MS now

Yeah, but they didn't have another semi-realistic racing game in which a tech demo could kill momentum for, you know? Like I said, I could be wrong. I could see them definitely use it as a tech demo for the new Kinect or just the Nextbox in general, but I wouldn't think they'd want to undermine the excitement of PGR.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Yeah, but they didn't have another semi-realistic racing game in which a tech demo could kill momentum for, you know? Like I said, I could be wrong. I could see them definitely use it as a tech demo for the new Kinect or just the Nextbox in general, but I wouldn't think they'd want to undermine the excitement of PGR.

When PGR become semi-realistic racing?
And it won't kill anything just become both are racing unless both launch at same time,if Forza coming 2014,then MS shown the demo will just for nex-gen xbox/kinect tech and console war weapon,mainstream won't really care it before spring or E3 2014(if they release at 2014 holiday)

 

[DEADEVIL]

They semi-official announced Forza 4 at 2010 E3 just because need to show the part of Kinect tech,Forza is something "tech demo" for MS now

Why wouldn't they show Autovista? It was a big part of the game. In fact, it was the creation of Autovista that is what accidently improved the graphics and lighting in the entire game of Forza 4.

 

[Izick]

When PGR become semi-realistic racing?
And it won't kill anything just become both are racing unless both launch at same time,if Forza coming 2014,then MS shown the demo will just for nex-gen xbox/kinect tech and console war weapon,mainstream won't really care it before spring or E3 2014(if they release at 2014 holiday)

Semi-realistic as in it looks realistic, it has realistic looking cars that go at semi-realistic speeds. I'm not saying it's Forza, but it's also not like Burnout.

Also, like I said before, you could be right, I just wondered if anyone else thought if that could undermine PGR. Maybe I'm alone in thinking that, and maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Why wouldn't they show Autovista? It was a big part of the game. In fact, it was the creation of Autovista that is what accidently improved the graphics and lighting in the entire game of Forza 4.

Yeah and?i didn't said they should not show autovista

 

[DEADEVIL]

Yeah and?i didn't said they should not show autovista

Your claim was that Forza is just a 'tech demo' for MS now. When they truly showed off a feature that was in the game.

There were like 5 tech demos at the Sony reveal.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Your claim was that Forza is just a 'tech demo' for MS now. When they truly showed off a feature that was in the game.

There were like 5 tech demos at the Sony reveal.

No,actually i mean Forza is also a tech demo,not just a tech demo

 

[Baconsammy]

Forza is a tech demo now? What? I feel like I missed something. What's Forza Horizon then?

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

It's a game but it also can be a tech demo for showing something new tech from MS(like Kinect,smartglass etc) before release,why act like it only can be a game or tech demo?

 

[Baconsammy]

I don't think you comprehend what a tech demo is.

 

[MCD]

MS biggest problem is how they hate having two FPS games or two racing etc.

Which is why we never got a new Perfect Dark because Halo is enough.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

I don't think you comprehend what a tech demo is.

Whatever,in chinese that means tech demo(技術演&#31034

 

[specialguy]

10 days 10 hours left!

Not too long and the timer will be on single digit days.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

10 days 10 hours left!

Not too long and the timer will be on single digit days.

I like you.


also..... Fook!

 

[Gordon0Freeman]

So fucking stoked. There's gotta be at least 1 megaton game announcement right? To try and 1 up Sony?

 

[enzo_gt]

It's think it's more of Forza being used as a tech showcase. LOOK AT HOW PRETTY 360 GAMES STILL ARE. There's that and Halo really. Maybe Gears.

That stuff matters less the later you go into a gen though.

 

[Justin]

So fucking stoked. There's gotta be at least 1 megaton game announcement right? To try and 1 up Sony?

Well since Sony hasn't made a megaton game announcement yet all it would take is 1

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Well since Sony hasn't made a megaton game announcement yet all it would take is 1

You're clearly forgetting the Diablo 3 Gigaton.

 

[Justin]

You're clearly forgetting the Diablo 3 Gigaton.

I guess if MS wants to match that with an equal gigaton they will need to announce console exclusive version of Sim City. I mean, the durango is already online only so it would be a perfect fit.

 

[malfcn]

The Live Event app is available to everyone, silver included.

Gold was required for the Golden Gods award show.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

So fucking stoked. There's gotta be at least 1 megaton game announcement right? To try and 1 up Sony?

There will likely be at least one. I think they'll save their biggest bombs for E3, and I think Sony did the same. Should make the E3 conferences that much more delicious. I'm fully expecting Gaf being down for most of the 10th.

Gold was required for the Golden Gods award show.

Didn't know that. I thought it was open to everyone during the presidential debates last year and just assumed that all of the events were open to everyone. Well, I hope they make it open to everyone then. As someone said, it's all about getting the most amount of eyeballs on it.

 

[Satchel]

Riiight. Sony has a $300 million deal with FIFA. EA won't screw them.

Didn't know there was a deal in place.

I was only referring to the next Gen version anyway. Not current gen.

 

[Hiro_Kunimi_80]

You're clearly forgetting the Diablo 3 Gigaton.

gigaton a ps3/4 version of 1 year old pc game ?

 

[malfcn]

Didn't know that. I thought it was open to everyone during the presidential debates last year and just assumed that all of the events were open to everyone. Well, I hope they make it open to everyone then. As someone said, it's all about getting the most amount of eyeballs on it.

Agreed. Let the party include everyone.

 

[eso76]

Badned said Forza 5 on 21st won't happen.
He knows what's up.

PGRx is definely being shown at the event, going by Lucid's tweets and Facebook page.

 

[Justin]

The posts during the Diablo reveal were hilarious


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514454&page=162

 

[Queen of Hunting]

Blizzard already said they aren't going exclusive with Sony in a recent interview and they did drop a hints diablo is coming for other consoles too. I'll send the link later going to work at moment.

 

[enzo_gt]

You're clearly forgetting the Diablo 3 Gigaton.

That's not that big because its almost certainly coming to 360 and maybe 720. At best, timed exclusive.

Personally I could care less after how bad Diablo III was. Otherwise, Infamous looked lame but the details we've gotten recently point to it being promising, and the rest of the games will be multiplatform. Drive Club looks super cool but it was leaked beforehand, and it doesn't seem the hype is all quite there. The Witness is the closest thing to a megaton but Blow seems confident it will show up on other platforms too.

Sony will have the megatons at E3. TLG + FFXIIIV moving to PS4 as exclusives will be all Sony needs to contend with Microsoft, and everything else on top of that is a bonus.

Badned said Forza 5 on 21st won't happen.
He knows what's up.

PGRx is definely being shown at the event, going by Lucid's tweets and Facebook page.

BADNED is probably the best source any of us have. He's also hinted at another 5 coming, and teased the PGR thread. At this point there's waaaaay too much evidence converging on PGR5 for it not to be revealed. It's the one game I don't doubt at all is coming. And the fact that its just not my high hopes alone pointing towards it anymore makes it even sweeter!

 

[Baconsammy]

Shrug, I like Diablo 3. Only problem I had with it is the itemization on the hardest setting, forcing you to the auction house. That's been removed from the PS3 version, so it should be fine. I also thought the 10 minute video IGN had of it from PAX made it look good.

BADNED is probably the best source any of us have. He's also hinted at another 5 coming, and teased the PGR thread. At this point there's waaaaay too much evidence converging on PGR5 for it not to be revealed. It's the one game I don't doubt at all is coming. And the fact that its just not my high hopes alone pointing towards it anymore makes it even sweeter!

Other than a Forza Horizon sequel, this to me is the best possible news. But I'm not a big realistic racing sim fan.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

So fucking stoked. There's gotta be at least 1 megaton game announcement right? To try and 1 up Sony?

count on it

also remember 343 employees a LOT of people.

 

[TheKayle]

just 10 days!

always hyped for new tech coming!

im expecting megatons especially about the hw

more time pass more time im going certain that

each O = 4 alu

and SC r cu arrays...is the only logic explanation to the durango 256 long L1...
vgleaks:
"Each shader core has a local 64-way L1 cache of 16 KB, composed of 256 64-byte cache lines."

i gone to read all the amd gcn white paper and the gnc L1...like most user asked to do

"The L1 data (L1D) cache is 16KB and 4-way set associative with 64B lines and LRU replacement."

http://www.amd.com/la/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

page 8 1 line..

omg if it will be like this....internet explode
or maybe all vgleaks docu r wrongs:/

 

[Ninja Moomin]

Gold was required for the Golden Gods award show.

yes... And that was just a big a deal for ms as the future of the entire platform

 

[KidBeta]

just 10 days!

always hyped for new tech coming!

im expecting megatons especially about the hw

more time pass more time im going certain that

each O = 4 alu

and SC r cu arrays...is the only logic explanation to the durango 256 long L1...
i gone to read all the amd gcn white paper and the gnc L1...like most user asked to do

"The L1 data (L1D) cache is 16KB and 4-way set associative with 64B lines and LRU replacement."

http://www.amd.com/la/Documents/GCN_Architecture_whitepaper.pdf

page 8 1 line..
omg if it will be like this....internet explode


or maybe all vgleaks docu r wrongs:/

Everything mentioned in vgleaks is standard GCN, and I swear you are really grasping at straws and the worst part is you have 0 idea what your talking about so your just talking bullshit all the time and you don't even realise.

 

[Gordon0Freeman]

Fuck so I totally thought I had nothing at all to do on Tuesday. But I just checked, and I have a final at 930am Westside time! That just ruined my night man!

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I see things are getting serious, people are getting jumpy and their sarcasm detectors have seemingly been turned off. We're almost there now.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Fuck so I totally thought I had nothing at all to do on Tuesday. But I just checked, and I have a final at 930am Westside time! That just ruined my night man!

Avoid the internet and watch the VoD as soon as you get home! Don't spoil yourself before hand.

 

[TheKayle]

Everything mentioned in vgleaks is standard GCN, and I swear you are really grasping at straws and the worst part is you have 0 idea what your talking about so your just talking bullshit all the time and you don't even realise.

i gone to read all gcn white paper ..
and no sorry i didnt found any 256 linees 64byte L1...

if u can find it for me coz maybe im blind ...and post it form the white paper..ill ask sorry for what i posted.

 

[TheKayle]

I see things are getting serious, people are getting jumpy and their sarcasm detectors have seemingly been turned off. We're almost there now.

pretty much

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

and SC r cu arrays...is the only logic explanation to the durango 256 long L1...
vgleaks:
"Each shader core has a local 64-way L1 cache of 16 KB, composed of 256 64-byte cache lines."

i gone to read all the amd gcn white paper and the gnc L1...like most user asked to do

"The L1 data (L1D) cache is 16KB and 4-way set associative with 64B lines and LRU replacement."

16kB / 64B = 256
They're the same.

 

[TheKayle]

16kB / 64B = 256
They're the same.

64byte on 64 lines r the same of 64 bytes on 256 lines?

 

[liquidboy]

Everything mentioned in vgleaks is standard GCN, and I swear you are really grasping at straws and the worst part is you have 0 idea what your talking about so your just talking bullshit all the time and you don't even realise.

Wrong.. Some of what is in vgleaks only makes sense if in the context of GCN 2.0 ...

You'll see in 12 days

 

[KidBeta]

i gone to read all gcn white paper ..
and no sorry i didnt found any 256 linees 64byte L1...

if u can find it for me coz maybe im blind ...and post it form the white paper..ill ask sorry for what i posted.

Thats okay.

To explain it better then vgleaks.

The L1 cache as a total is 16kb. (16 * 1024 = 16384 bytes)
The L1 cache line size is 64 bytes.
Therefore the L1 cache has ((16 * 1024) / 64) = 256) lines

Thats the L1 dealt with.

Now the CU's.

Each CU contains 4 SIMD, each SIMD contains in itself 16 threads/elements whatever you want to call them.

Therefore each CU contains 64 threads, with 16 in each of the 4 SIMDS (64 / 4 = 16). Which would also explain the number of threads, as ((64 threads / per CU, 12 CU) = (64 * 12, 768 threads)).

They themselves have the exact same line of maths

12 SCs * 4 SIMDs * 16 threads/clock = 768 ops/clock

Wrong.. Some of what is in vgleaks only makes sense if in the context of GCN 2.0 ...

You'll see in 12 days

Such as what? Because I cannot see anything, so please point this out for me, and also point out the spec for GCN2.0 your using as you seem to know so much about.

 

[Razgreez]

Such as what? Because I cannot see anything, so please point this out for me, and also point out the spec for GCN2.0 your using as you seem to know so much about.

This is the same person who was convinced Destiny would be a timed 360/xbnext exclusive (or at least tried to spread a rumour about it if i recall correctly)

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

64byte on 64 lines r the same of 64 bytes on 256 lines?

64B, meaning 64-byte lines, not 64 lines. It's the same as in Durango.