TNA's Christy Hemme Sexually Harassed on TV?

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i'm sure that his intent wasn't to sexually harass her, and his only intent was to stay in character while building heat and 'getting back at her' (in character) for messing up the entrance and feeding off of the crowd reaction. i really don't believe he was thinking about any kind of harassment.

however, his intent doesn't matter, only her reaction and feelings. if she felt harassed by his junk being in her face, it was sexual harassment.
 
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G-Fex said:
pretty much.

I'd imagine soap operas aren't so repetitive though.
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Pimpwerx said:
WTF? Do you even watch wrasslin? Aries is a heel. Sorry, but when you screw up around a heel, their character is almost obligated to get at you somehow. He has multiple options for retribution, but this is what he chose. Hemme has been around the business long enough to know the kinds of animals she works with. Inappropriate? Maybe. But it fuels the show, and can be worked into a storyline. In the wrasslin game, that's a good thing. PEACE.
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"Pretty nuts, some of the junk people get the balls to say over the net, knowing they couldn't to your face...Eh, anyway, time to sack out."
 
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G-Fex said:
No, all the pain is real seeing as their just underpaid overworked stuntmen.

Ugh I fucking hate indie wrestling and their gifs.

Enough Edge!
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NJPW gifs will set you on the straight and narrow, you're missing the finest stuff!
 
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These guys are paid to act like assholes. When you are degraded to appeal to the crowd, in a make-believe show that is always at least passively degrading for female participants, well I don't think real-world sensibilities about harassment necessarily play into it. It seems a bit tone deaf to complain about it happening to you, when I think being in a TV wrestling show certainly changes the context. If I was at an improv show and one cast member dry humped another, I wouldn't treat it as a sincere act of sexual harassment.

It's not as if she's the first woman (or man) get a pantomimed tea-bagging in professional wrestling. Some wrestlers even have a "suck my dick" gesture as their signature thing when they walk out.

Is it kind of fucked that this appeals to the crowd, being done to a woman or not? Yeah, but that's professional wrestling. Where you stand on the the sexism and general crudeness of professional wrestling is a question you answered about yourself when you first entered that world.
 
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Htown said:
okay, so let me ask, what would count as sexual harassment?
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Depends on the victim. If she felt threatened or uncomfortable, and it was unscripted, then I'd say definitely, from what she says. It's not like when shooting a movie and you have to kiss someone or grab an ass - that's on the script. There's a line that is too far, and it all boils down to what "too far" is to that particular person. People are expected to know where the line is and it could have been a simple miscommunication, but still could be construed as harassment. It's all in the eye of the person affected by it. Only she can say if she felt that way, and a lot of people out there aren't bothered by such a thing (hence the "this shit happens all the time!" argument) - but each person is unique and how they feel is unique.
 
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VoxPop said:
Looks pretty ridiculous. Why not just pretend to punch them in the face if you're going to pretend to be fighting?
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Why pretend when you're doing a legit shoot, and he's legit shook?

I'd be legit shook from that.
 
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Sunflower said:
Why pretend when you're doing a legit shoot, and he's legit shook?

I'd be legit shook from that.
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So basically he's dropping him dangerously on his head while the other guy has no idea? Lol. Seems like that 'sport' is full of more scumbags than actual fighting.
 
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Sunflower said:
Depends on the victim. If she felt threatened or uncomfortable, and it was unscripted, then I'd say definitely, from what she says. It's not like when shooting a movie and you have to kiss someone or grab an ass - that's on the script. There's a line that is too far, and it all boils down to what "too far" is to that particular person. People are expected to know where the line is and it could have been a simple miscommunication, but still could be construed as harassment. It's all in the eye of the person affected by it. Only she can say if she felt that way, and a lot of people out there aren't bothered by such a thing (hence the "this shit happens all the time!" argument) - but each person is unique and how they feel is unique.
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My issue is that you can't enter a sport like this and expect people to be psychic where your line is. It's perfectly acceptable to establish personal boundaries though, and it seems unlikely that this wrestler would have done this if he knew she would feel this way, if only to avoid conflict. I think inside a wrestling ring, "crotch thrust to the face" can be assumed to be on the permissible side of the line unless you establish otherwise.

I think beyond letting people know what your boundaries are, you also need to ask yourself if you can treat what happens in front of the camera as "make believe" with no real menacing intent. We need not forget that these people are improvisational actors, not typical coworkers.
 
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LaserBuddha said:
My issue is that you can't enter a sport like this and expect people to psychically know where your line is. It's perfectly acceptable to establish one though, and it seems unlikely that this wrestler would have done this if he knew she would have a problem with it. I think inside a wrestling ring, "crotch thrust to the face" can be assumed to be on the permissible side of the line unless you express otherwise.

I think beyond letting people know what your boundaries are, you also need to ask yourself if you can treat what happens in front of the camera as "make believe" with no real menacing intent. We need not forget that these people are improvisational actors, not typical coworkers.
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This is true. And the lines are haaaaard to figure out where they are. Like we mentioned, everyone is unique, and it's definitely easy to cross that line.
 
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Something that is making people actually talk about TNA?

Probably real.

Something that is making people actually talk about WWE?

Probably a work.

TNA isn't smart enough to orchestrate a quality work
 
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VoxPop said:
Looks pretty ridiculous. Why not just pretend to punch them in the face if you're going to pretend to be fighting? I doubt those backflips hurt anymore than him slapping his chest.
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Because they're not pretending to be fighting, they're pretending to be competing within the rules and logic of the 'sport' of Professional Wrestling.
 
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Forkball said:
I wonder if all those ROH guys who decided to go to TNA regret it after seeing Bryan and Punk being so successful.
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Maybe but then I'm sure they see Cesaro yodelling and that regret fades away.

Anyway, what Aries did was fucked up and I sure as hell think he should be fined or suspended. Sadly, I don't think it'll ever sink into his head that it was fucked up because he's an asshole.
 
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LaserBuddha said:
My issue is that you can't enter a sport like this and expect people to be psychic where your line is. It's perfectly acceptable to establish personal boundaries though, and it seems unlikely that this wrestler would have done this if he knew she would feel this way, if only to avoid conflict. I think inside a wrestling ring, "crotch thrust to the face" can be assumed to be on the permissible side of the line unless you establish otherwise.

I think beyond letting people know what your boundaries are, you also need to ask yourself if you can treat what happens in front of the camera as "make believe" with no real menacing intent. We need not forget that these people are improvisational actors, not typical coworkers.
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I don't know how wrestling works, would this woman usually be participating in the acting side of the show? If she's just an announcer, I don't think it's fair to say that she needs to be ready for anything another actual wrestler is ready for just because she's inside the ring.

I also don't think that it's unreasonable to assume that a boundary that includes a desire not to have crotch thrust into your face when you're just standing there is probably fairly standard. That doesn't seem like something you'd have to let someone know, but again I admit I'm unfamiliar with wrestling and her role in the show.
 
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nateeasy said:
Isn't wrestling fake?
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The only fake thing about wrestling is the outcome of the match. Corny said it best:
"You used to have grown men pretending to hurt each other and people thought it was real, now you have grown men really hurting each other and people think it's fake."
 
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rvy said:
The only fake thing about wrestling is the outcome of the match. Corny said it best:
"You used to have grown men pretending to hurt each other and people thought it was real, now you have grown men really hurting each other and people think it's fake."
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VoxPop said:
Looks pretty ridiculous. Why not just pretend to punch them in the face if you're going to pretend to be fighting? I doubt those backflips hurt anymore than him slapping his chest.
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I appreciate the skill and choreography of that wrestler, but wrestling's certainly weird how it developed. Body slams, ddt's, and such as "maneuvers" and how wrestling creates an ever-changing scale of effectiveness moves have. I never really questioned it as a kid growing up, but I would like to go into how it developed.

The one's who try to bring a bit more realism into it, like Bret Hart, would bring some real wrestling into it a little bit and tweak classic moves like being thrown into the turnbuckle by going chest first. But it's just the theater of it really, high flying stuff and flashy athleticism. I've grown to hate the "real" indie stuff. There's no honor in purposely hurting each other for a pop. It's really a weak argument toward's imagining it gives wrestling credibility.
 
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I'm pretty sure wrestling stopped being good in 1993. Granted, I was 11 then, so that's probably why. I don't know, it just stopped being interesting when they stopped having ridiculous shit like Voodoo themed wrestlers named "Papa Shango."
 
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G-Fex said:
ask your wrestling heroes who get away with this stuff.
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Can't treat these dudes different than any other Musician, Athlete,Movie/TV star.
Everyone has a different level of assholiness they can put up with. Some of these people can be real jerks and folks still appreciate their work.

hey remember that one time Chris Benoit killed his whole Family?

That was fuked up.
 
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