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[oVerde]

Another point: Microsoft need to separate online from Xbox Live Gold, they need some kind of multiplayer online for free.

I wont' mind pay for next gen Live Gold IF they add/stepup services/goodies that are really unavailable from any other console.

 

[danwarb]

The ones still up for grabs. For a new page.

I'll nab this one, thanks.

 

[ChuckNyce]

A couple of us Neogafers are going to do a after-show as well with some random thoughts if anyone is interested for Angry Centaur Gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AngryCentaurGaming.

Its going to be a fun verbal wrestling match as some are pro services some are pro games and neither wants to agree If anyone else wants to join PM me so I can set up the proper technical bits to get you in.

Just sent you a PM, thanks.

 

[Karak]

Chuck you are in! Thanks for joining us I sent you a PM with some early details.

That avatar wall. My lord each little picture reminds me of my youth

Panzer REPRESENT!

 

[XtremeXpider]

I wont' mind pay for next gen Live Gold IF they add/stepup services/goodies that are really unavailable from any other console.

I really doubt that all services/goodies will be for free on "the other" console.

Microsoft needs to make multiplayer free, if they want F2P games, they need to allow everyone to play that games.

 

[danwarb]

They could include a subscription to Xbox Music, and more free movies.

 

[stktt]

They could include a subscription to Xbox Music, and more free movies.

An Xbox Music subscription alone is $100 a year, and that's already cheaper than Spotify/Rdio. I can't see Microsoft driving that price even lower.

 

[DC R1D3R]

They could include a subscription to Xbox Music, and more free movies.

They definitely need to throw a few bones out. Support the supporters.

 

[Vico]

Feels like this thread's on repeat. :lol

Spoiler

Still better than leaks.

 

[derFeef]

Differnet subscription models maybe?
Bronze is like Silver now.
Silver is multiplayer and demos etc.
Gold is everything.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I'm exited for the reveal as i am for any video games system anyway.

They, MS, can make me buy the console day one if they have the games. Bring PGR5 please and for sure i'll be there day one ! I'm still playing PGR4 and i can't believe how this game is still looking amazing and plays like a charm.

As for paying to play online, we will again pay to play online, MS wont make it free, deal with it.

 

[Doffen]

Likeable GT guy is still likeable.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Differnet subscription models maybe?
Bronze is like Silver now.
Silver is multiplayer and demos etc.
Gold is everything.

Bronze = free
Silver = ?
Gold = $

What I think:

- Silver = Like today but with basic online, maybe multiplayer online only with friends or maybe multiplayer online only with unknown people. No online achievements, no streaming.
- Gold = pro multiplayer, with online achievements and streaming.

 

[ekim]

I'm finished with work here in Germany when the reveal starts. Just not if I watch it on my Xbox. My girlfriend is likely to occupy the TV at that time.

 

[gaming_noob]

Differnet subscription models maybe?
Bronze is like Silver now.
Silver is multiplayer and demos etc.
Gold is everything.

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

 

[Karak]

I'm finished with work here in Germany when the reveal starts. Just not if I watch it on my Xbox. My girlfriend is likely to occupy the TV at that time.

You should jump into the discussion with us? I would love to hear what you think when everything is said and done.

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

I like the idea of a % of on all digital games. I also think it would be great if you played games and got things for it like more discounts and so forth.

 

[Master Z]

Hmmmm I thought that GAF is supposed to be pro-Sony, looks to me like there are plenty of Xbox fans here too. Seems like Nintendo is the one who gets the most flak these days...anyways here's hoping that MS puts on a good show and the funny GIFS continue. Carry-on console warriors for I am entertained!

 

[TRios Zen]

They need to simply have silver and gold have online MP free and then make sure that gold has some digital stuff, games and so forth, as well as maybe some timed events that are only available for gold. I have always wondered why both companies don't offer FAR more for the price. I get the free game on "+" but I would love to see actual event stuff for the premium members. Or what about them being able to test out new apps before they go live, be able to enter lotteries to beta test MP games? Stuff like that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't, or that it wouldn't be better for us if they did, I just don't see how they are going to give something away for free, that they've successfully charged people for, while replacing it with something that will cost them more money to sustain.

As long as Live membership stays strong, I just don't know how we are going to affect a change in the price of MP.

 

[Karak]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't, or that it wouldn't be better for us if they did, I just don't see how they are going to give something away for free, that they've successfully charged people for, while replacing it with something that will cost them more money to sustain.

As long at Live membership stays strong, I just don't know how we are going to effect a change in the price of MP.

Ya no I mean I agree. I am sort of just hoping they have figured out SOME way to even the field a bit. I guess in the end they had better make gold WORTH IT. Like OMG gold is a DEAL. Which they could do while still making people pay for MP which I don't like. But if Gold offered all kinds of crazy awesomeness then I would bite. I don't mind paying...but I also don't LIKE it

 

[DC R1D3R]

I'm finished with work here in Germany when the reveal starts. Just not if I watch it on my Xbox. My girlfriend is likely to occupy the TV at that time.

she sure must be pretty :]

 

[derFeef]

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

I like that idea. Sadly it's not Microsofts style.

 

[Linkified]

Differnet subscription models maybe?
Bronze is like Silver now.
Silver is multiplayer and demos etc.
Gold is everything.

I would imagine it will all be Gold...

Gold Basic(free):- free basic MP + access to all apps.
Gold Plus(£40pa):- Basic + Xbox Video/Music subscription
Gold Ultimate(£60pa):- Plus + dedicated servers for all your favourite games + a form of cash back loyalty scheme

 

[statham]

A couple of us Neogafers are going to do a after-show as well with some random thoughts if anyone is interested for Angry Centaur Gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AngryCentaurGaming.

Its going to be a fun verbal wrestling match as some are pro services some are pro games and neither wants to agree If anyone else wants to join PM me so I can set up the proper technical bits to get you in.

nice, subscribed.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I think deep down gaf has love for the Xbox, or at least what xbox was. The anti ms mood has changed recently. Why?

 

[shandy706]

I'm finished with work here in Germany when the reveal starts. Just not if I watch it on my Xbox. My girlfriend is likely to occupy the TV at that time.

There are 5 rooms I could watch it in. No way my wife would stop me.

However, I'll be at work....in the field...and nowhere near my office PC. So I'm still screwed. LOL...

 

[XtremeXpider]

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

I don't like the "bronze" name, I think it is better:

- Silver or Free (current name): free
- Gold: $59/y
- Diamond, platinum or Gold Pro $99/y

 

[Mascot]

Well Sony will be equally thrilled to know that Microsoft is probably focusing exclusively on PGR5 this year.

If only this was true.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I think deep down gaf has love for the Xbox, or at least what xbox was. The anti ms mood has changed recently. Why?

Because most of it was just trolling?

 

[TRios Zen]

I'm down for anything that adds free content to my Live subscription (paid through March 2014 anyway).

Free movies, music and/or games? Hell yeah.

Sadly, I'm not holding my breath on this. Surprise me MS!

 

[DC R1D3R]

I think deep down gaf has love for the Xbox, or at least what xbox was. The anti ms mood has changed recently. Why?

Fear of the inevitable.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

less than six days remain until the end of this generation as we know it.

eeeek.

 

[ChosenPredator]

I think deep down gaf has love for the Xbox, or at least what xbox was. The anti ms mood has changed recently. Why?

probably because most of the people who would normally respond to the MS trolling have those characters on mute now so it's a more positive vibe.

 

[visionarysellout]

Nice to see this thread pass 100 pages.

actually, it's over 200 pages now if you're on the forum default.

anyone know how long the sony version of this thread was? the really long one that started when Sony announced they were having a playstation meeting up until feb. 20th?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

Not going to happen. Microsoft is still sitting on a cash-cow. If Live numbers were going down then yes, they'd consider having a free option to play. Instead they keep talking about Live memberships going up. That's not good news to those looking for free online play. I actually expect two paid models happening instead of one. The second will be even higher but have TV channels included and a larger cloud storage.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Bronze (default; free) - Free online play, nothing else.
Silver - $60 a year, free game-of-the-month plays, all apps unlocked, some free Arcade games
Gold - $100 a year, all Silver features, 5-10% discount on game purchases, family members get their own accounts too

This is hard...MS is too stingy.

Price increase would be incredibly stupid and could deliver a death blow to the service. I like the idea of a tiered subscription though.

Bronze - Free online play.

Silver - $30 a year. 5% discount on all purchases, one free Arcade title and 2 free Indie titles that users vote on every month through the dash.

Gold - $60 a year. 15% discount on all purchases. one free GoD title along with 2 Arcade titles and 2-3 Indie titles that users vote on every month through the dash.

 

[0xCA2]

Well, they can implement some "basic" multiplayer online, no achievements for example, or "pro" services like gameplay streaming for gold.

That's what I'm thinking they'd do, just for the hell of it.

Especially with the onset of Free 2 Play games coming to consoles, yeah.

EDIT: oh people already talked about this in detail ^^^^

 

[Coldnoodle]

6 days, and then E3 season kicks off with the MS Conference.

Nintendo Directs everywhere, no more secrecy about platforms, leaks ahead of press conferences, E3 preview shows...

It's the best time of the year

 

[Ninja Moomin]

Fear of the inevitable.

nice.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Rare will probably be as secretive as ever even after the reveal.

Has Ken Lobb said much of anything the past couple of years?

 

[Calvarok]

Price increase would be incredibly stupid and could deliver a death blow to the service. I like the idea of a tiered subscription though.

Bronze - Free online play.

Silver - $30 a year. 5% discount on all purchases, one free Arcade title and 2 free Indie titles that users vote on every month through the dash.

Gold - $60 a year. 15% discount on all purchases. one free GoD title along with 2 Arcade titles and 2-3 Indie titles that users vote on every month through the dash.

They'd do it if Bronze users couldn't use chat or invite people to games/join games.

 

[Karak]

nice, subscribed.

Awesome if you want to jump in we have a couple spots left for this discussion.

I am currently trying to get all my subscribers to move off the old channel to the new one you just subscribed too. BLARG youtube has crap for messaging services to subscribers.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Not going to happen. Microsoft is still sitting on a cash-cow. If Live numbers were going down then yes, they'd consider having a free option to play. Instead they keep talking about Live memberships going up. That's not good news to those looking for free online play. I actually expect two paid models happening instead of one. The second will be even higher but have TV channels included and a larger cloud storage.

But it will be a new generation, new users, new things. Xbox Live Silver/Free was born thanks to current generation, new generation, new things (I guess).

 

[TRios Zen]

Awesome if you want to jump in we have a couple spots left for this discussion.

I am currently trying to get all my subscribers to move off the old channel to the new one you just subscribed too. BLARG youtube has crap for messaging services to subscribers.

Subscribed, though I'll be at work that day so unable to participate. Will still have y'all on so I can at least listen to the discussion.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

6 days, and then E3 season kicks off with the MS Conference.

Nintendo Directs everywhere, no more secrecy about platforms, leaks ahead of press conferences, E3 preview shows...

It's the best time of the year

Amen, brother.

Goodbye current gen. Hello next gen.

 

[clav]

MS shows off Xbox Mini, small version of current Xbox 360.

Xbox 720? See you at E3.

Bitter tears after.

 

[Salaadin]

But it will be a new generation, new users, new things. Xbox Live Silver/Free was born thanks to current generation, new generation, new things (I guess).

There seems to be more hatred now for paid online play than there was at the beginning but a lot of people are already so invested in that system that they wont change. I do wonder if MS hears the complaints though and have something planned for the next gen.
If they want to make a splash during their conference, free online play would be one thing to do just that, imo.

 

[Spongebob]

actually, it's over 200 pages now if you're on the forum default.

anyone know how long the sony version of this thread was? the really long one that started when Sony announced they were having a playstation meeting up until feb. 20th?

Yah I'm on 100 posts/page.

The Sony took a full 400 pages.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

MS shows off Xbox Mini, small version of current Xbox 360.

Xbox 720? See you at E3.

Bitter tears after.

Not gonna happen now.

 

[Rourkey]

I'm in! Great idea will help filter out the trolls enormously

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Not gonna happen now.

Yep. If there is a Mini, I expect it to get about 10 minutes, the rest of the event will be focused on Durango, new UI, features, etc.