Next Xbox Reveal Set For May 21, 10:00 A.M. PST, Livestreamed

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Justin said:
Specs are so boring where are the tent updates?!?!
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Stuck in a tree apparently. They hope to get it down in time for the event.

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Angelus Errare said:
Not this detailed no. This wasn't some diagram that a few people made up, this was something that someone at MS who was working on functional hardware leaked. You could tell which spec MS was going with when it was found that IBM had taped out Xenon in Jan of 2004 and the basic specs of Xenos were leaked end of 2003. Point in case, post the detailed specifications for the other design MS was working on for 360. 360's specs leaked in early 2004 and murmurings about what direction they were going in could be traced back to 2003. PS3 rumors and leaked started coming around late 2004 early 2005 at at no point did MS have a kneejerk reaction and switch specs, despite some people thinking they would.

If MS was going to change hardware for 360 they wouldn't wait till 2005 to do so they would have done it early to mid 2004 at the latest. Or a better example, look at Dreamcast even Sega had decided on what hardware they were going to use in July of 2007, DC launched in November of 2008. And hell Sony was openly talking about PS2 by that time.

Waiting until 7 months before your system is expected to launch to decide on which design you're going to go with would be the dumbest idea ever from a financial and developer/development environment stand point. The R&D for these consoles is in the multiple millions, and even for MS that's not something they would eat just to eat. To employ a design team, have that team test various hardware setups/chip architectures, go through multiple fabrications for yield testing, get a developmental environment up and running, seed them to developers that's a huge expense and then add in they're basically doing it twice. One design gets the axe pretty early in the process to cut down on said R&D cost.

Is it possible that the leaks specs aren't what MS is using? Quite easily. Is it possible the leak specs are what MS will be using? Equally quite easily. Whatever direction MS goes in was chosen ages ago and not as a kneejerk reaction because of Sony's February unveiling, that's just stupid people theory propagated by dumb people who want to believe in nonsensical shit. Whatever design MS ends up going with they chose that design early 2012. The only question that remains now at this stage is what design (if there were multiple) did MS chose? Everything else is just static noise and stupid people theory.

My personal thought is the system won't be too far off from the specs we've read thus far. Occam's razor and all that jazz, if there was secondary design that was vastly different it would have leaked in some form at this time because it'd have to pretty far along, which also means companies outside of MS would need to be working on it which means the inevitable leak. Same goes with 360 designs, the simple fact you can't find the secondary design specs online but you can find in abundance the primary design specs leaked as far back as Jan of 2004 shows you in calendar form when MS decided on which specs.

I'd say we should all temper our expectation on some crazy eye exploding hardware and embrace the reality that maybe, just maybe what's been leaked is what we're going to get for the most part. From PS2-Xbox-GC-PS3-Wii-WiiU-360-Vita-DS-PSP-3DS we've seen the specifications leak early time and time again and have yet to see the final hardware be something completely different and foreign.

Personally I know MS/ATI know what they're doing, so while Xbox fans engage in self loathing and hate MS for abandoning them because...well I don't know why. I think MS is going to surprise everyone and show stuff that is new and exciting, and the fans that doubted them are going to look utterly foolish. You'll then see them backpedal saying they believed in MS all along.

Either way, we'll know for sure in less than 5 days.

You people really need to have more faith that MS knows what they're doing and understands hardware better than a bunch of wiki programmers and naysayers on NeoGAF. I don't understand how MS fans are so negative toward MS.
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Holy Christ...you could have said...yes or no:) Anyway there is most definantly a point when companies Make a Decision. However, MS does and always will have at minimum two competing designs at least. Their jumping off point appears to fluctuate between releases. Pretty much business as usual. But I am not sure who you are writing all this too? I don't think there is a change. Haven't seen a great many really stand behind a belief there is.
 
shandy706 said:
GDDR5 isn't expensive though. 2GB is like $20-30 (possibly cheaper now). Obviously the board it's going on needs to be designed with it in mind though.
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I wasn't talking about the GDDR5 stuff, I was talking about the random rumours and posts that tell of some super powerful beats of a machine that will eclipse all of gaming with random specs that wouldn't make sense as a computer.
 
CorrisD said:
I wasn't talking about the GDDR5 stuff, I was talking about the random rumours and posts that tell of some super powerful beats of a machine that will eclipse all of gaming with random specs that wouldn't make sense as a computer.
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Ah, carry on then. I agree, lol.
 
shandy706 said:
Yeah, but the rest of the components are dirt cheap. So it's no big deal. The RAM is the most expensive part, lol. (Not counting R&D...but it's budgeted separate anyway)
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28nm APUs aren't dirt cheap.

The WiiU's MCM allegedly costs ~$100

shandy706 said:
GDDR5 isn't expensive though. 2GB is like $20-30 (possibly cheaper now). Obviously the board it's going on needs to be designed with it in mind though.
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$20-30 for 4 chips isn't by any definition cheap.
 
Ol No Bones said:
Somebody on here has been saying this for a while. There was a rumor that ms always had 8gb gddr5 and Sony upped theirs to match ms.
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Makes no sense at all. So they have 192 GB/s + whatever they get through ESRAM? It's one or the other, having 8 GB GDDR5 and 32 MB ESRAM is ridicoulus if you go for such a weak GPU as suspected.
 
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He is a marketing manager at Xbox

I really start to believe that they will focus on the core audience on Tuesday. Get hype!
 
Angelus Errare said:
Not this detailed no. This wasn't some diagram that a few people made up, this was something that someone at MS who was working on functional hardware leaked. You could tell which spec MS was going with when it was found that IBM had taped out Xenon in Jan of 2004 and the basic specs of Xenos were leaked end of 2003. Point in case, post the detailed specifications for the other design MS was working on for 360. 360's specs leaked in early 2004 and murmurings about what direction they were going in could be traced back to 2003. PS3 rumors and leaked started coming around late 2004 early 2005 at at no point did MS have a kneejerk reaction and switch specs, despite some people thinking they would.

If MS was going to change hardware for 360 they wouldn't wait till 2005 to do so they would have done it early to mid 2004 at the latest. Or a better example, look at Dreamcast even Sega had decided on what hardware they were going to use in July of 2007, DC launched in November of 2008. And hell Sony was openly talking about PS2 by that time.

Waiting until 7 months before your system is expected to launch to decide on which design you're going to go with would be the dumbest idea ever from a financial and developer/development environment stand point. The R&D for these consoles is in the multiple millions, and even for MS that's not something they would eat just to eat. To employ a design team, have that team test various hardware setups/chip architectures, go through multiple fabrications for yield testing, get a developmental environment up and running, seed them to developers that's a huge expense and then add in they're basically doing it twice. One design gets the axe pretty early in the process to cut down on said R&D cost.

Is it possible that the leaks specs aren't what MS is using? Quite easily. Is it possible the leak specs are what MS will be using? Equally quite easily. Whatever direction MS goes in was chosen ages ago and not as a kneejerk reaction because of Sony's February unveiling, that's just stupid people theory propagated by dumb people who want to believe in nonsensical shit. Whatever design MS ends up going with they chose that design early 2012. The only question that remains now at this stage is what design (if there were multiple) did MS chose? Everything else is just static noise and stupid people theory.

My personal thought is the system won't be too far off from the specs we've read thus far. Occam's razor and all that jazz, if there was secondary design that was vastly different it would have leaked in some form at this time because it'd have to pretty far along, which also means companies outside of MS would need to be working on it which means the inevitable leak. Same goes with 360 designs, the simple fact you can't find the secondary design specs online but you can find in abundance the primary design specs leaked as far back as Jan of 2004 shows you in calendar form when MS decided on which specs.

I'd say we should all temper our expectation on some crazy eye exploding hardware and embrace the reality that maybe, just maybe what's been leaked is what we're going to get for the most part. From PS2-Xbox-GC-PS3-Wii-WiiU-360-Vita-DS-PSP-3DS we've seen the specifications leak early time and time again and have yet to see the final hardware be something completely different and foreign.

Personally I know MS/ATI know what they're doing, so while Xbox fans engage in self loathing and hate MS for abandoning them because...well I don't know why. I think MS is going to surprise everyone and show stuff that is new and exciting, and the fans that doubted them are going to look utterly foolish. You'll then see them backpedal saying they believed in MS all along.

Either way, we'll know for sure in less than 5 days.

You people really need to have more faith that MS knows what they're doing and understands hardware better than a bunch of wiki programmers and naysayers on NeoGAF. I don't understand how MS fans are so negative toward MS.
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didn't digital foundry say it was an NVidia chip at one point or something?
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Now, now. You know better than that. Kinect will still be a focus. How big of a focus is the question...
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If it's far more accurate and reliable than the first one, it better be a huge focus. I want to control the UI/OS with it. I'll gladly use my controller games, but if I can do everything else without holding anything, sign me up.
 
Baconsammy said:
If it's far more accurate and reliable than the first one, it better be a huge focus. I want to control the UI/OS with it. I'll gladly use my controller games, but if I can do everything else without holding anything, sign me up.
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I know you guys don't believe the leaks, but...

The leaked specs show that the camera is much better (480p to 1080p), but latency has only been reduced by 30% (90ms to 60ms).

ekim said:
It's true.
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Since MS will be approaching this as more of a media box (which will play games), this makes sense.
 
shinnn said:
NeoGAF App on Next Xbox. BOOM.
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Having a browser accessible via the guide button while in game would be amazing.

Even better if various forums could release plugins/apps so you wouldn't have to navigate via a browser.

If they have a system to access all social media while playing that could be a really fun use of "patented Onlive features" like making short clips/streaming/etc. Either that or have GAF races to speedrun something and have a way to take a screencap and post immediately upon finish.
 
Spongebob said:
28nm APUs aren't dirt cheap.

The WiiU's MCM allegedly costs ~$100



$20-30 for 4 chips isn't by any definition cheap.
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There's a reason Sony isn't taking a big loss with the PS4 hardware wise....and neither will Microsoft.

I suppose you don't realize that there are $350-$450 Laptops with Jaguar 28nm APUs in the pipeline. Those Laptops are sold at a good profit. It wouldn't surprise me if the component costs of the PS4/Durango are under $400...possibly closer to $300.
 
statham said:
The new buttons names makes total sense to me. I usually hit 'a' to start games.
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I don't think I ever hit start to start a game. And I never hit the back button. Not that I can recall anyway unless a game has run out of buttons to use. The Share button is unnecessary, but it's not exactly taking the spot of a button that got a lot of use anyway.
 
JesseZao said:
Having a browser accessible via the guide button while in game would be amazing.

Even better if various forums could release plugins/apps so you wouldn't have to navigate via a browser.

If they have a system to access all social media while playing that could be a really fun use of "patented Onlive features" like making short clips/streaming/etc. Either that or have GAF races to speedrun something and have a way to take a screencap and post immediately upon finish.
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I fully expect that to happen, the OS's on both the PS4 and Durango are to always be running in some form rather than what we have now with PS3 and 360. So say like the Vita, a hit of the Guide button and we will be at the dashboard (in whatever form it is in) working fully as it would outside of a game with apps that will work while in game, like a browser.
 
steverulez said:
Most games i've played recently have had the back button as a map or something anyway so view makes a lot of sense there too.

"To see the map, click view" or something.
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Just like phones: menu, Start and Back.

- Start = calling the dashboard (or a mini dashboard)
- Menu = Calling the game menu (just like the Start button)
- Back = Back to the last option (like current back button)

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Baconsammy said:
I don't think I ever hit start to start a game. And I never hit the back button. Not that I can recall anyway unless a game has run out of buttons to use. The Share button is unnecessary, but it's not exactly taking the spot of a button that got a lot of use anyway.
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I'm sure you've used the back button. Its the common way to bring up a map in a game.
 
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