Uhhh... er... what?
EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]
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Uhhh... er... what?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Don't waste your time.
Noted.
OrangeJulius
Member
Don't tell me you've never seen The Big Lebowski?
Magius do you work for Nintendo?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF above anything else Nintendo needs to start fostering those relationships now regardless of how well the wii u does. They can't simply re-enter core pure gaming without third party support and be competitive, and if they didn't support you last gen then they'd need to be the next console to be the 360, which used the previous gen to foster support.
Basically they need to keep Ubisoft and Activision sweet as well as Japanese devs at all cost this gen. Because if they jump ship if they don't get another wii next next gen will be even harder.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Life does not stop and start at your convenience.
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Magius only serves the GREAT GILGAMESH.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I'll make you a bet right here and now that both the PS4/NextBox will sell better in it's first 6 months than the Wii U sold in it's first 6 months.
$25. If I win you gift me a $25 game on Steam. If you win I'll gift you a $25 via whatever store front you prefer. You game?
OrangeJulius
Member
I like the cut of your jib Magius, but the Lebowski question wasn't aimed at you, that was a misquote, sorry. I'm glad you have indeed seen the movie though.
Starphoenix
Member
Like EA sport games are known for their bastion of innovation.
Crap, I'm beginning to see why EA is hated by consumers, and I think he's on track with most of what he said.
Crap, I'm beginning to see why EA is hated by consumers, and I think he's on track with most of what he said.
BlackGoku03
Member
Sounds like a good bet.
Damn... take that bet dude. Prove him wrong!!
Projectjustice
Banned
What I find funny is how he's telling Nintendo just to make good games. As if Nintendo's track record was like the current EA's and EA is the one putting out all this top grade games that everyone is dying to play. This guy is part of the sports department making the same game every year.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Smart long term business = selling worse than a console that cost $200-300 more in it's first six months? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Losing third party support from big publishers whose games sell in the 5+ million category? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Releasing a console with a type of tablet device which lacks the very tablet features that make tablets such a top selling product? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Having one of your top franchises (Zelda) sell worse and worse? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Releasing hardware that will be trampled upon by the competition a year after release and being continually behind in significant areas? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Keeping the same CEO who has seen Nintendo significantly lose it's monetary value AND it's business? Interesting.
Smart long term business = Having back to back releases of new hardware with absolutely abysmal and embarrassing launches, followed by months and months of hardly any games that actually sold well? Interesting.
If these are your standards for smart long term business moves than Nintendo is well on it's way to being the next Apple at it's peak.
Doubt he will.
Haunted
Member
I wonder if taking advantage of delusional Nintendo juniors for easy money is considered being a jackass on the gaming side. :lol
LMAO that is my all time favorite gif from the legend himself!
DragonSworne
Banned
Yep, if Nintendo doesn't foster those relationships now, they'll get the same exact support during the first two years of Wii.
As balmer once said, it's about the developer developer developer developer developer!
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Nintendo deserves to be pushed down a peg or two. It's the only way to force the corporate leadership to look in the mirror and improve in the areas it needs to. The sad part is that the gamepad is really awesome. I am finding this console 10x better than the Wii which IMO is the worst mainstream console in generations. But there are so many areas in which Nintendo is still a dinosaur and refusing to change that I'm in favor of them failing this gen in order to force big changes in the company.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Well, you know, we're just waiting for the Checkers game to release and then the NPD's for the Wii U will catch fiah, all the way to 10 million Wii U's by November.
Would be interested odds if he did.
I'd ask for three quarters of Wii U sales to be fair
OrangeJulius
Member
This is my thought as well. I just don't think Nintendo has hit rock bottom yet, and nobody ever changes until they bottom out and wake up in a gutter with a hooker who may or may not have the clap.
UntoldDreams
Member
Wow... Ummm... Can I bet against him too? I mean I don't want to horn in on this action here but its just too juicy to ignore.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
This is for those folks who continually argue that the PS4/NextBox will sell worse than the Wii U. If they're so confident than I'd be happy to make a bet and send them some cash come May 2014.
OrangeJulius
Member
Wait, there are people who think the next gen consoles will sell worse than WiiU? I'd wager the PS4 and Nextbox each sell more in one year than the WiiU does in it's first two. Might be a risky and rather ballsy bet, but could be fun.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Someone even believes that the Wii U can sell 10 million consoles by the time the PS4/NextBox launch.
Starphoenix
Member
Is anyone honestly saying the PS4 and Xbox will sell worse? While I don't doubt it's possible I haven't personally seen that yet. Granted, I don't believe the new consoles will be selling as well as in years past, but that has a lot more to do with my opinion on the global economy. Certainly not as bad as the Wii U has been.
Bluekaveli
Member
I actually agree with him. I've been saying this for awhile. Hell, Sega looks like it is in a better position to have a console seeing as their library is expensive.
Damn, he must have mistaken the WiiU to a Wii.
Betting 6 months sales of Wii U against both PS4/Infinity.
OrangeJulius
Member
Nope, that horse is still breathing.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I can't believe I read all this.
H_Prestige was making a freaking joke ten pages ago!
No the man does not have to apologize!
Ok, guys seriously. Nintendo fans. WiiU in some ways is weaker than a 360. Most engines made through this generation are heavy SIMD crunchers. Using some fairly impressive muscle to run physics engines, in Cell's case in tandem with running assistance to the GPU. WiiU CPU will always come up lacking under those identical situations.
The GPU is maybe a little more powerful. A good chunk of that just by virtue of being based on later than 2009 designs. With double the memory currently allocated to gaming. Fifa and Madden just made a huge move on their physic engine side. Sure it's far from perfect and honestly more suitable for funny glitches than realism, but it was programmed in a way that makes it all but impossible to get running on the WiiU CPU effectively.
Taking this under consideration... isn't it perfectly reasonable to see why he'd say the system is weaker than the 360 all the while another EA studio is releasing a less physics dependent game with better visual fidelity?
Not all games are designed in the same way. I'm personally very interested in what the WiiU version of Watch_Dogs ends up being. I can realistically see it having better texturing than either the PS3/360 versions all the while featuring a fraction of characters. Or them just having really simplified AI subroutines in comparison.
I'm kind of ranting, but I think everyone just kind of went crazy today.
H_Prestige was making a freaking joke ten pages ago!
No the man does not have to apologize!
Ok, guys seriously. Nintendo fans. WiiU in some ways is weaker than a 360. Most engines made through this generation are heavy SIMD crunchers. Using some fairly impressive muscle to run physics engines, in Cell's case in tandem with running assistance to the GPU. WiiU CPU will always come up lacking under those identical situations.
The GPU is maybe a little more powerful. A good chunk of that just by virtue of being based on later than 2009 designs. With double the memory currently allocated to gaming. Fifa and Madden just made a huge move on their physic engine side. Sure it's far from perfect and honestly more suitable for funny glitches than realism, but it was programmed in a way that makes it all but impossible to get running on the WiiU CPU effectively.
Taking this under consideration... isn't it perfectly reasonable to see why he'd say the system is weaker than the 360 all the while another EA studio is releasing a less physics dependent game with better visual fidelity?
Not all games are designed in the same way. I'm personally very interested in what the WiiU version of Watch_Dogs ends up being. I can realistically see it having better texturing than either the PS3/360 versions all the while featuring a fraction of characters. Or them just having really simplified AI subroutines in comparison.
I'm kind of ranting, but I think everyone just kind of went crazy today.
redmetal86
Member
Damn, every time I fall asleep, this thread jumps by 20 pages. Truly some Rip Van Winkle stuff going on.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Quite a few posters have argued that the PS4/NextBox will sell worse than the Wii U during it's first six months. That the price of these consoles and the fact that most of the multiplatform big hitters for them will also be available on the 360/PS3 will spell their doom for the first six months or so.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You aren't helping.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I still can't tell whether or not this is denial, delusion, wishful thinking, or spite. For the people who actually believe this, that is.
Whatever it is, it's not a reasonable prediction.
Well, that's just sad.
OrangeJulius
Member
You are posting also are you not Maggie?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I actually think of it in a different way.
I'm pretty sure a good chunk of hardcore early adopters will be there regardless of the price, and this will lead to overall market goodwill, but availability I think will be something that limits adoption at the start for both PS4 and Infinity.
Being perfectly honest I don't see that early adopter pool being any larger than 5 million users. So price will have to be within reason for the second string of buyers.
If the price isn't? Slow adoption after an initial surge methinks. A lot of that surge will be because of how long this prior generation has lasted.
One other thing struck me in the thread.
You are really abrasive Orangey. I don't consider it a bad thing, but junior status is already a mark against you. This is helpful warning and not me lording how powerful I am. You're already being looked at with a little more scrutiny than the average member or marked member. This is to weed out those that only have an interest in inciting anger or stalling discourse.
Might want to tone that down a smidgen. Until a little more settled. And if the junior member status came after becoming a member or marked member? All the more reason to be cautious.
Other than that I tend to agree with some of your overarching points.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I think it's a little of both delusion and spite. Delusion that the Wii U could actually sell so terribly that $400+ consoles will sell significantly better than one with Mario and coming off the heels of the Wii. Spite because they just don't want to be proven wrong by those folks who have said from day one that the Wii U will fail.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Thunder monkey is saying wii U isn't getting the new fifa (and got the rebranded old fifa) because it simply might not be powerful enough to run fifa 13.
Oh dude please make a thread for this, it would be even more epic and delicious than this one!
The next 10 pages are going to be amazing. (if people notice)
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yes we should all stop.
Wasn't much of a Sports guy anyway. They don't make the bowling games anymore.
:I
OrangeJulius
Member
We should, but this is not the GAF way. We have to make that money for Evilore, and I have no problems with that, he seems like a good guy.
3.45M as of 31st March.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And those are shipment numbers.
Right now we are looking a sell through rate anywhere between 2.5 - 2.8 million.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
My god that is just embarrassing.
Damn I want to take that bet now just for the sake of it but LOL.