EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]

There were very few truely great games on Wii. The only ones that really pop out in my mind were Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and arguably Metroid Prime 3. Excitetruck was decent and I enjoyed the single player campaign in Smash Bros Brawl but everything else felt so "meh" I couldn't really get excited.
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The only games that I think benefited from the Wii controller were No More Heroes, Metroid Prime 3, Umbrella Chronicles, Goldeneye, and Silent Hill. To be brutally honest Nintendo dissappointed with their first party offerings, but the console ended up with a few gems thanks to other devs.
 
The only games that I think benefited from the Wii controller were No More Heroes, Metroid Prime 3, Umbrella Chronicles, Goldeneye, and Silent Hill. To be brutally honest Nintendo dissappointed with their first party offerings, but the console ended up with a few gems thanks to other devs.

Skyward Sword? And Prince of Persia: Forgotten Sands has great use of the Wiimote, too!
 
Never played it myself even though I consider myself a Zelda fan. I was hyped at some point, but in the end I felt indifferent about what I saw from the trailers and gameplay videos.

I think from that selection you might enjoy Skyward;s Sword control options, however, the structure of the game is a different story for a lot of people.

I think its a Zelda with some of the highest but lowest points.

The highest points are sheer brilliance though. The lowest will want to make you strangle yourself!
 
Dammit, though what he ended up doing here was pretty stupid, I've always liked his posts in general.

RIP Cloving. :(

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his avatar look so fitting with the grayed out name & banned that I thought for a second that a mod had changed it.
 
Goodbye Cloving.

I will miss arguing with you. Occasionally you made great points even in the heat of hyperbole.

It is too bad you weren't a slight bit more careful with your attempts at humor fallen brother.

Well good to see you guys haven't changed much in my sleepytime hours.
 
And people who kept quoting it and saying how outraged they were knew exactly what they were doing.

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You're telling us GAF mods caved in to mob pressure? Stop whining

I don't see anything wrong with not trying a game based on motion controls. Some people just want to sit down and relax after a 12 hour work day and play a game. Not stand up and waggle a stick around.

I am against motion controls for that very reason. I wouldn't mind so much if Nintendo at least implemented standard controls as an option in all their games, but they don't.

Is this 2006?

lol
 
Never played it myself even though I consider myself a Zelda fan. I was hyped at some point, but in the end I felt indifferent about what I saw from the trailers and gameplay videos.

Skyward Sword is in my top 5 favourite games this gen with both Galaxies, Demon's Souls and Bioshock Infinite.
Brilliant game all the way through IMO. Even remembering about it gives me that rare feeling that I went on a huge adventure, when most "epic" games tend to feel smaller in retrospective.
 
The only games that I think benefited from the Wii controller were No More Heroes, Metroid Prime 3, Umbrella Chronicles, Goldeneye, and Silent Hill.

I'd have to add PES, Call of Duty, Endless Ocean, Boom Blox, Trauma Center, Tiger Woods and Godfather off the top of my head.
 
Doesn't matter what year it is, it's still a valid stance.

No, describing the Wii's motion experience as "standing up and waggling a stick" is as valid as showing this gif to describe how using the Dualshock feels like.

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If someone is not informed enough about something, its okay to say that they simply disliked what little they experienced of it.
 
Skyward Sword is in my top 5 favourite games this gen with both Galaxies, Demon's Souls and Bioshock Infinite.
Brilliant game all the way through IMO. Even remembering about it gives me that rare feeling that I went on a huge adventure, when most "epic" games tend to feel smaller in retrospective.

My least favorite Zelda game by far


Horrible backtracking
The fetch quests
Fighting the same bosses over and over again
Shitty overworld
Slow start
Horrible controls beside the fighting

I'm about 40+ hours in i think. I will finish it because I finish all the zelda games, except for Majora which i never played, but it has become a chore :/

I hate when members get banned, people are so damn sensitive.
 
My least favorite Zelda game by far

Horrible backtracking
The fetch quests
Fighting the same bosses over and over again
Shitty overworld
Slow start
Horrible controls beside the fighting

I'm about 40+ hours in i think. I will finish it because I finish all the zelda games, except for Majora which i never played, but it has become a chore :/

I hate when members get banned, people are so damn sensitive.

To each his own I guess


When you backtracked the area was usually diferent. I honestly dont mind this at all. I'm not minding it in Dishonored, and I didnt mind revisiting the
flooded woods
for example.

Best bosses in the series and best combat controls completely negate any kind of gripe I would have of revisiting the scorpion boss (for example).

I loved the puzzle/dungeon like overworld. Layout design reminded me more of 2D Zelda than the open fields of post OOT Zeldas.

TP's start felt slower. The fact that I find Skyloft and its habitants so charming probably gave me a diferent impression of the start of the game. I liked it.

I have absolutely no issues with the controls. I loved it
 
There's a discussion going on about this on Hacker News if it hasn't been linked to already. Some interesting comments:

I'm friends with Bob. He was my team lead, twice, at EA. He's a talented developer and a great boss.

Nothing at all surprises me about the mixed reaction. Some people are mad because they love Nintendo. Some are mad because they hate EA. But I haven't seen a lot of people mad because they disagree with his message -- because he's speaking the truth. Nintendo's platforms are disappointing and underwhelming. Just do a search for "Nintendo Wii U sales". It's a fact. (Yet at the same time, like Bob says, Nintendo makes great games -- it's strange how that particular comment seems to have been lost in the noise!)

It's hard to tell the truth sometimes, but especially in the games industry. Gamers get emotionally attached (or opposed) to companies, platforms and games more intensely than anything else in life. Any time you say anything about anything you're risking the digital mobs coming out with the pitchforks and the torches.

And we know how mobs always take the time to pause and reflect.

His only mistake is not being Linus Torvalds talking about Nvidia.

I interviewed for a job with them (Nintendo of America), and also did some freelance work over the past couple of years, and I got the feeling whatever they may have been in the past, they currently run on a fairly bureaucratic model, and are not the kind of place that inspires or rewards innovation and creativity.

They had video games in the lobby, but the recruiter warned me "Don't play them!" She told me a previous candidate she took there got a job, but was later fired for playing a video game on company time.

A cow-orker of mine interviewed there a couple of years ago. He said it was pretty bad, too.

One of his standard questions (he's kind of a snarky guy:) "How many of your co-workers should be fired?" He generally gets answers in the range of ten percent. At Nintendo, they were saying "fifty percent."
 
There's plenty to dislike. Pretty much since the SNES most of these true fans have been disappointed with Nintendo. Generation after generation Nintendo gets trumped by the competition who provide better hardware and better game libraries. It gets to the point where we've had enough with the hoping that Nintendo can be what it was. The loyalty is gone, and that is entirely Nintendo's fault.
I'm still as much a Nintendo fan as ever. They're still my favorite, even though I own multiple systems.

Interestingly enough, I enjoyed the Gamecube more than the XBOX because I preferred the library, Nintendo games and others.

And in terms of just Nintendo games, the output has only gotten better since the GCN. Wii had many great Nintendo games and we can't discount all of the outstanding handheld content that the company has always put out.

Is it possible to be disappointed by Nintendo? Absolutely. Happens all the time. But Nintendo continues to make some of my absolute favorite gaming experiences, so I stick by them.
 
There's a discussion going on about this on Hacker News if it hasn't been linked to already. Some interesting comments:


If he hasn't seen many disagreeing with what the EA guy said, he's not looking hard enough. Plenty of people flat out disagreed with the EA guys comments, plenty of people agreed, plenty of people used it as an excuse to troll, plenty of Nintendo fans got upset/overreacted. Most people (from the pages of this thread I read) agreed that whatever the guys opinion or whatever is/isn't true, he shouldn't have come out and said it. It's unprofessional. It'd be unprofessional in any job to openly slate your client/partners/competition but it's magnified when it's something in the public eye like this.

That's the main point here. Yeah I can see there's going to be a backlash of love for this EA guy, defending him against the 'digital hordes' of Nintendo fans etc - but the bottom line is still: he was an idiot for saying it.
 
I am still curious about the logic behind this man tweeting what he did. One or two tweets I can consider a mistake, but going on about it?

Positive things that were achieved by this:
+ IGN and other sites got some traffic I guess
+ Entertaining GAF thread

Negative things:
- More negative attention surrounding a company rated worst in America twice in a row.
- Burning bridges and further discouraging future healthy colaborations between both companies due to stupid buddy-talk shit.
- EA employee looking like a 13 year old arse from Gamefaqs by voicing his opinions with the most cliche statements of the great system wars book.
- Yet another interaction between EA staff and gaming community gone to shit.

I hope he doesnt get fired or anything, but I've seen marketing people get the boot over less.
Reading his tweets again, I have the feeling he was expecting a round of applause or something lol
 
He knew exactly what he was doing with that image.

Oh please it's a 2 way street. Other people knew what they were doing as well.



EDIT: even if he believed that about the Wii U there was no reason to put that shit on blast on twitter. There needs to be a level of some sort of professionalism. Unfortunately as someone else said above it honestly is just a buzzword
 
How is "professionalism" a buzzword?

In the real world, in real jobs, being 'professional' is the only way to act when you're, you know, going about your profession.
 
I am still curious about the logic behind this man tweeting what he did. One or two tweets I can consider a mistake, but going on about it?

Positive things that were achieved by this:
+ IGN and other sites got some traffic I guess
+ Entertaining GAF thread

Negative things:
- More negative attention surrounding a company rated worst in America twice in a row.
- Burning bridges and further discouraging future healthy colaborations between both companies due to stupid buddy-talk shit.
- EA employee looking like a 13 year old arse from Gamefaqs by voicing his opinions with the most cliche statements of the great system wars book.
- Yet another interaction between EA staff and gaming community gone to shit.

I hope he doesnt get fired or anything, but I've seen marketing people get the boot over less.
Reading his tweets again, I have the feeling he was expecting a round of applause or something lol

Or he was just saying what he's thinking. It's not any worse than any other inane thought people post on Twitter.

And the Nintendo/EA relationship isn't going to get hurt by some dumb remarks by a random EA employee. This is business not preschool.
 
And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

While I don't "root" for it, I don't believe there's a magic to Nintendo.

Pokemon X/Y would work fine on Vita and New Super Mario Bros would fit right in with the PS4.

With the more powerful specs, the games would even be better than Nintendo's current output.

As for SEGA, I'm not sure what "magic" they had. They still were able to make some great games as a third party.
 
Or he was just saying what he's thinking. It's not any worse than any other inane thought people post on Twitter.

It is when he presents himself as an EA employee, and seems to speak in behalf of his company with the way he words his tweets. He is an "insider", everything he says will be percieved differently for obvious reasons.

This is pretty basic stuff you know you should NOT do. Dont gather negative attention to your company with your personal rants made public.

And the Nintendo/EA relationship isn't going to get hurt by some dumb remarks by a random EA employee. This is business not preschool.

Its not the comments, its how its being embraced by the media and the community as a window to EA's stance on Nintendo internally.
 
Is he wrong or something? I figured the WiiU was as powerful or slightly moreso than the 360. I haven't used it but can't you also not link a Wii account and you have to re-buy all the stuff you bought on the Wii?

What does it take for the WiiU to be crap if it isn't now?
 
Is he wrong or something? I figured the WiiU was as powerful or slightly moreso than the 360. I haven't used it but can't you also not link a Wii account and you have to re-buy all the stuff you bought on the Wii?

What does it take for the WiiU to be crap if it isn't now?

He didnt stop there

"Nintendo are still operating like it's 1990. They should have "done a Sega" and offered Mario/Zelda as PS4/Durango exclusives"
 
Pokemon X/Y would work fine on Vita and New Super Mario Bros would fit right in with the PS4.
With the more powerful specs, the games would even be better than Nintendo's current output.

Everything would be better on PC, why settle for a console?
 
What does it take for the WiiU to be crap if it isn't now?

Interesting question.

I know people like to speak out against the Gamepad, but I think the system would be indefensible if it did not have that and Miiverse. Basically the Wii U's only two saving graces.

Haters be damned, the Gamepad is a very nifty feature and I'm confident at least someone will come up with a really innovative way to use it. Until then, the handiness of a touch inventory and always-on map are still real boons to gameplay.
 
Its...unprofessional

Opinions are unprofessional.

The only thing that dictates if something is unprofessional is the number of people not involved in the profession that decide to get upset about it. Nobody at Nintendo or EA is going to make business decisions based on some guy's random tweets. It's only fanboys who think this kind of stuff is in any way damaging.
 
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