http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectInput#XInput
much more important:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh405050(v=vs.85).aspx
My take on this from 2012:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42112454&postcount=17114
They probably did not.
Forza Motorsport 5 announced
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectInput#XInput
much more important:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh405050(v=vs.85).aspx
My take on this from 2012:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42112454&postcount=17114
They probably did not.
Betta Lines
Member
If it wasn't in-game, it was the worst pre-rendered trailer I've ever seen. The tyre smoke looks totally real-time (not very good), and the most obvious real-time flaw being the low res shadow creep across the air intake at 0:46.
The whole thing looked like a 'lets try to make this look pre-rendered' exercise.
0:06 - check out our draw distance
0:08 - god rays
0:10 - draw distance
0:25 - sparks! motion blur! by the way we have god rays
0:30 - yep we've got realtime DOF too, totally next-genning it up
0:40 - did we mention god rays?
0:43 - lens flare is still cool right?
0:50 - check out our particle system
etc etc
antiquegamer
Member
I am with you, and from the look of thing I don't have much hope that the controller will be backward compatible. At this point my plan is to just keep playing on 360 (I don't game much these days anyway) and hold off on "next gen".
Yep. I might even consider the dark side of PC gaming. No fucking mandatory Kinect spy required there.
Microsoft, you fucking idiots. You blew it.
If the 360-compatible Fanatec wheels don't work with the XBO then I'm out. The fact that Fanatec don't even know even though they are the only (to my knowledge) provider of a proper force feedback wheel for the 360 shows that MS need a lot of work when it comes to communicating with their hardware partners.
antiquegamer
Member
I just finally hook up my PC to my TV, and if I am going to be force using Steam model for next gen Xbox, I might as well just use Steam. As much as I love Forza and Microsoft, their strategy for the last few years have turn me off more and more from their eco system.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Prepared myself for this a long time ago, unlucky fellow Forza/Fanatec fans.
All I can say is that Forza 5 better have the features we've been requesting for years.
It MUST have some form of weather and night racing.
It must have Spa or Bathurst, preferably both.
If these things aren't in the game, then i might be skipping this dodgy console.
I know it's just a gaming machine, and to get quite beat up about it is a little over the top, but I just can't help it at the moment.
All I wanted from the next Xbox was to primarily play games. I don't watch TV, I don't listen to music, I don't Skype or any other bullshit that MS is trying to shove down my throat.
TV,Television,Sports,Call o dooooty......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
It MUST have some form of weather and night racing.
It must have Spa or Bathurst, preferably both.
If these things aren't in the game, then i might be skipping this dodgy console.
I know it's just a gaming machine, and to get quite beat up about it is a little over the top, but I just can't help it at the moment.
All I wanted from the next Xbox was to primarily play games. I don't watch TV, I don't listen to music, I don't Skype or any other bullshit that MS is trying to shove down my throat.
TV,Television,Sports,Call o dooooty......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
Because damnit man, Turn 10 just don't have an identity for Forza yet. Five games and it still doesn't know what it's trying to be.
None of that will matter if MS cockblocks my Fanatec. I will never forgive them.
What's the betting they have their own racing wheel in development..?
Absolutely spot-on with how I feel about things. At this stage I'm prepared to say goodbye to Forza and everything I love about it and look ahead to GT6 on PS3 and Driveclub on PS4. Forza 5 is the only thing that can change my mind on whether I get an Xbox One but it doesn't look promising right now.
We'll see what happens at E3 I guess, but holy fuck am I massively let down after just watching the Xbox One conference...
Sadly true. Five different logos over five games speaks volumes.
Fucking soccer and bowling, for Christ's sake. I STILL can't believe it!
drugstore_cowboy
Member
What's the chances of Dan turning it around at E3?
This reveal was awful and I feel I still know nothing about Forza 5.
This reveal was awful and I feel I still know nothing about Forza 5.
MrCookiepants
Member
I remember reading the words "trick out your ride" or something to that effect on the back of the FM1 box. *shudders* They've come a long way since then.
You know you won't be playing it with your racing wheel. That's something at least!
Fuck.
Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.
Fuck.
seattle6418
Member
At least Pcars, considering Slightly Mad has never been known as a graphical marvel developer. I thought next gen was going to go there and beyond. Maybe in year 2 or 3.
Exactly. I don´t get it, i kept thinking about this yesterday. WHY? I couldn´t think of any other racing sim that would cut a trailer like that.
I keep hearing that FM/Dan/Turn 10 are turning FM5 into an arcade racer...?
WTF, really?
You came to that conclusion by watching a 1 minute trailer?
I just can't see them alienating so many people just to grab a new kind of demographic. All their hard work on physics/suspension/tyres would've been for nothing.
I don't see that happening to be honest.
I'll say this though, if Turn 10 do indeed turn FM into an arcade experience, i'll be the first to let them know exactly how I feel about it and I will not be getting the game, pure and simple.
WTF, really?
You came to that conclusion by watching a 1 minute trailer?
I just can't see them alienating so many people just to grab a new kind of demographic. All their hard work on physics/suspension/tyres would've been for nothing.
I don't see that happening to be honest.
I'll say this though, if Turn 10 do indeed turn FM into an arcade experience, i'll be the first to let them know exactly how I feel about it and I will not be getting the game, pure and simple.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
T10 can do no right in some peoples eyes, they play down any work T10 do in the physics department, to many Forza has only ever been an arcade game.
Trailer did more harm than good in that respect imo.
Mate, after yesterday's reveal I really wouldn't be surprised if some suit at Microsoft told Turn 10 to concentrate on the casuals, and to forget all that sim nonsense. MS seem to be pulling ideas straight out of their assholes at the moment.
I mean, after the colossal success of the 360, who would have predicted that MS could misread the zeitgeist so badly with regards to the hardware?
Betta Lines
Member
I think you're overreacting. It looks like a solid platform with some questionable DRM that can be adjusted through software if there is a massive revolt against it. They haven't shown much in the way of must-have reasons to own the console, but the exclusives are on the way and there's years of great gaming ahead of it.
There is absolutely no reason to suggest that Forza 5 will suddenly be any less of a sim.
Well, it's closer to arcade than sim (which is almost always seen as circuit racing). How many circuits were shown in the trailer? I honestly don't recall seeing any, but when I last saw it I was literally in a state of shock that I can't remember much of it.
The voiceover is a reason it will be less of a sim. There may be more, but like I said... shock.
The logos, the bowling, the Top Gear, the differences in music, THE LACK OF DLC TRACKS.
Guys, if they wanted to have this as a launch title, they have to have something that appeals to as many people as possible. With FM4, they did somewhat of a token addition by way of the Kinect steering... I think the timing alone indicates it'll be targeted even more towards the more casual gamer.
Works out well for me, though. Get GT6 and likely PGR5 both on consoles I already have that I can play with steering peripherals I already own. Win win!
Goldrusher
Member
Nope, drifting and sliding is arcade racing.
You won't see DTM, V8, IndyCar, F1, etc. drift and slide around the corners of a street circuit.
MS are trying to sell me a games console in which gaming isn't even the primary focus. They have said themselves that having the best graphical performance isn't even important! If my hands were cold I wouldn't buy a pair of socks.
Not entirely sure what I'm trying to say here, but... erm...
...
FUCK MICROSOFT! Wooooooo!!1
Yep, someone should tell FIA to stop going to Monaco every year as it seems street racing isn't really a test for a driver's skills and concentration...
For me, this trailer is like GT trailers : in-game assets used with much cleaner IQ which results in much cleaner effects as well.
Honestly I don't see what's not doable on new hardware.
Long draw distances : Horizon shows that they can deliver on that
Shaders : Autovista showed us that T10 can provide this level, it just remains to be seen if they could apply that to hundreds of cars, that's the big question mark for me graphically speaking
Car models : Highest LOD in FM4 already have amazing details, especially DLC cars
Environment : city doesn't seem that much more detailed than what we've already seen before in terms of polygon
The biggest differences clearly come from lighting and shaders.
BTW, I knew the colors and overall look reminded me of something : Florence in PGR2. Very similar look IMO.
Betta Lines
Member
Pretty sure some commentary isn't going to affect the physics engine. And as with all these kind of things, you'll be able to turn it off.
You're still overreacting. Guess what, the PS4 isn't about the best graphical performance either. They would have had to make compromises too. MS' honesty there was surprising but admirable. And of course gaming is the primary focus. They might not have explained this very well in the opening presentation, but I guess they thought it was obvious and didn't need to be overstated, particularly with E3 coming up.
eso76
Member
but they don't have to apply that to hundreds of cars, they have to apply that to a few dozen 'materials' and it will automatically transfer to all cars.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I don't think Turn 10 know what identity they want the Forza franchise to have.
Sometimes they look like they are trying to emulate GT's clean and serious racing. Then they went for DIRT2 style. Now it's GRID/NFS.
Sometimes they look like they are trying to emulate GT's clean and serious racing. Then they went for DIRT2 style. Now it's GRID/NFS.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Maybe with an adapter of some sort but it doesn't work over USB on the 360.
I'm disappointed in you Mascot. I thought You, me and Dan were tight?
Anyway, some screen grabs from the trailer. Dodgy quality obviously. It'll have to do until Turn 10 decide to shower us with more of their own.
Sorry there's quite a few..
Love that moving camera up in the right corner. Nice touch.
None of those look close to realistic, IMO. Still looks like a video game. Oversaturated at least, but I think there's something more to it.
And this looks a heck of a lot like Quebec from PGR4, if I'm not mistaken:
Edit: I'm sure I am, but it looks damn familiar.
Edit #2: For shits and giggles:
And this looks a heck of a lot like Quebec from PGR4, if I'm not mistaken:
Edit: I'm sure I am, but it looks damn familiar.
Edit #2: For shits and giggles:
Opus Angelorum
Member
As does Drive Club and GT6.
Are people really expecting photo-realism this generation?
None of those look close to realistic, IMO. Still looks like a video game. Oversaturated at least, but I think there's something more to it.
And this looks a heck of a lot like Quebec from PGR4, if I'm not mistaken:
Edit: I'm sure I am, but it looks damn familiar.
I was actually wondering what city this is. It's the same city in all the shots (see the banners on the light posts) but they other shots are definitly not Quebec (believe me). But yeah, I thought of PGR4 Quebec too when I saw the last shot.
Owning the living room and pissing about with TV services seems to be their primary focus if you take yesterday's reveal at face value. MS appear to be going after Apple TV with XBone. It's very probably that all cross platform games will be significantly better on PS4, and MS seem more than happy with this. If first-party games like FM5 do look good and perform well, then great. But I'm not sure I can live with always playing inferior versions of x-plat games.
And please stop telling me how to behave. Thanks!
Edit: nice screengrabs, Saladine. I'm doubting the non-CGI claims now. And don't worry, me, you and Dan are still going fishing.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted Forza games. All the other kerfuffle about the XONE was already making it very unlikely (the 24h online check, the games being tied to your account, etc) that I'd buy it but finding out that any 360 accessories/controllers won't work with it was really the final nail in the coffin.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I swear the FM4 lighting was more reaslistic. In fact, PGR4 even looked better than this.
I don't get it. This is supposed to be next-gen. What the hell happened?
I don't get it. This is supposed to be next-gen. What the hell happened?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
This. I am dissapoint man wtf happen to the lighting? It looks more like its aiming for a cartoons arcade look...
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Let's see some tracks under this lighting before jumping to conclusions, I'm not holding out for photorealism as T10 just doesn't play that game but surely it can't be all sunshine and fireworks.
You probably need to get your vision checked. Forza 4's maybe, but not PGR4.
Lighting and colours in the Drive Club trailer were far better than anything in the one for FM5. Honestly, a good colour tweak in Forza would've made it look nigh-on photo realistic (you've seen what people can churn out with the right colour settings in photo mode) but T10 appear to have completely overshot good colour usage completely.
Ravensmash
Member
I actually came into the Forza segment a bit late and I initially though it was PGR haha, definitely got that vibe from the city locations.
Way too early to judge graphics and stuff though, hopefully a E3 they just sit a guy on stage and play through a race.
Way too early to judge graphics and stuff though, hopefully a E3 they just sit a guy on stage and play through a race.
To be honest, my expectations from next gen were huge. I thought we were going to see avatar like (exaggerating) visuals.
After seeing the PS4 and Xboxone showing, I'm severely disappointed. I mean, what was shown so far could easily be done on current gen consoles no?
Killzone
Fifa
COD..etc don't look special to me at all....
Risk Breaker
Member
I don't see why this couldn't be in engine (even if pre-rendered for higher IQ).
Fake shadows (plus missing shadows from scenery), weird static reflections and laughably bad smoke effects, a trademark of FM.
It's still the best looking thing from the conference, but that's not saying much compared to CoD.
Fake shadows (plus missing shadows from scenery), weird static reflections and laughably bad smoke effects, a trademark of FM.
It's still the best looking thing from the conference, but that's not saying much compared to CoD.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
The 4TF+ dream is dead.
skyfinch
Member
If the game looks as good as the trailer, I'll be very impressed. There is absolutely no way the 360 could do these graphics at 720 or 1080 at 60fps, so they're definitely next generation. In terms of game play, well its hard to judge from the trailer. I remember fm2 trailer being very arcady looking, as well as fm3 (with the ford gt flipping). Put it this way, the Xbox one reveal really didn't cater to any hardcore gamer. I didn't expect Microsoft wanting turn 10 to show up with a fm5 trailer catering to hardcore racing fans. It was most likely created to be flashy. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the trailer was made specifically for the Xbox one reveal.....if turn 10 had a showing just for fm5 reveal, the trailer would be very different. I certain Dan and his team will explain everything, at e3.
anyway, was a bit pissed not to see pgr5, but fm5 instead? I'll take that with open arms. Hell, fm5 alone has sold me on Xbox one, even though the console and features aren't very attractive to me.
anyway, was a bit pissed not to see pgr5, but fm5 instead? I'll take that with open arms. Hell, fm5 alone has sold me on Xbox one, even though the console and features aren't very attractive to me.
If I had to guess, on closer inspection I'd almost say it's St. Petersburg:
But those shots of saladine's have sharp spires and the Russian city has mostly round, bulbous ones. So maybe Italy? I dunno.
If I had to guess, on closer inspection I'd almost say it's St. Petersburg:
But those shots of saladine's have sharp spires and the Russian city has mostly round, bulbous ones. So maybe Italy? I dunno.
I CSI'd the shit of those images and found out it's actually Prague
It's actually written on the banners on the side of the street lol
See banner: