Fred Russell (Former Turn 10 Employee) - Turn 10 Studios has shuttered the Forza Motorsport space, remaining staff are to support Forza Horizon
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Sebastian1295
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Dosen't help that microsoft/xbox wanna hire cheap labor aka contractors to do the work. You pay for cheap labor and it ends up screwing the veterans at tha studio because you gotta teach said labor on what to do, what you want done etc etc which takes resources away from developing the game and improving it. Phil spencer and matt booty are to blame for the mismanagement consistently happening at xbox.
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Pasta la Vista
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Holy shit, MS on a serious purge here, wtf
HeWhoWalks
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Nah, Forza 6 Apex on PC.
GHG
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The fall off started with 5.
TBiddy
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I love how you pretend to know that. While I agree that Spencer and Booty are ultimately to blame here, the rest of the post is pure guesswork.
GHG
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The methodologies surrounding contractors at turn 10 has long been public knowledge now.
Forza Motorsport Developer Shares 'Exhausting' Experience Making the Game
Microsoft's long-reported insistence on contract hires took its toll on the rebooted racing sim's development, according to one artist.
www.thedrive.com
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Klayzer
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It was a bullshit narrative in the first place.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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With all the hype for the last game, and how hard they face planted for no obvious reason, i can only think of them having poor resources because it's yet another straight to gamepass game.
hououinkyouma00
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I would say it was before FM7. There hasn't been a good FM since the 360 days at least IMO. It really sucks thought because FM came out on the Xbox and I was blown away as it felt fresh compared to GT (which was/is my favorite racing franchise of all time), and then then FM2 was amazing. It stayed good through Xbox 360.
FM5 was barebones but not terrible, then 6 was mediocre as hell, 7 was bad, and FM "From the Ground Up" Edition was just shit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Shame. I've always liked the Horizon games more but not fun to see the original studio being gutted like this.
Does this mean Forza Horizon will be their primary racing game going forward?
Does this mean Forza Horizon will be their primary racing game going forward?
phant0m
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Peak of the series for sure
GHG
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Most likely the only racing game going forwards.
This effectively reduces turn 10 to being a support studio for playground. They will just be there to help with car assets and maintain the physics engine.
StereoVsn
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The methodologies surrounding contractors at turn 10 has long been public knowledge now.
Forza Motorsport Developer Shares 'Exhausting' Experience Making the Game
Microsoft's long-reported insistence on contract hires took its toll on the rebooted racing sim's development, according to one artist.
Yep, MS in general brought their stupid 18 month contractor policy to gaming studios and that shit just doesn't work on complex projects that last 5-6 (or more) years.
There is no knowledge acquisition since all that gets wiped after 18 months. Like you could bring contractors to polish up graphical assets or audio or what not for a quick fix, but they are using them as core development staff… with the results clearly visible on multiple projects at multiple studios.
Kacho
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FM5 had the excuse of being a launch game at least, and FM6 wasn't terrible imo. FM7 was unacceptably bad.
RetroGamingUK
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Could this be something a lot of American studios are doing this gen?
They all seem to have coincidently gone to shit at the same time.
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Klayzer
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I think so. It can't be a coincidence that the quality, dev times, etc has taken a perceptive nose dive.
John Wick
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I don't care what people say but this is very bad news. Forza Motorsport was a great series. Really enjoyed them especially 2-5.
Remember all those dickheads cheering MS acquisitions???
This is the end result. A mega fucking greedy corporation would never prioritise games over money. They make $100 billion profit yet can't keep studios open???
Hope you are all happy!
Remember all those dickheads cheering MS acquisitions???
This is the end result. A mega fucking greedy corporation would never prioritise games over money. They make $100 billion profit yet can't keep studios open???
Hope you are all happy!
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Team Andromeda
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Forza 6 was exceptional and the pinnacle of the series (for me) . I don't look to go on what former staff have to say, persay, they always have an axe to grind
But Turn 10 deserved better than to be gutted in half after one little missstep, it wasn't like FORZA was terrible either and the underlying tech was amazing
I was looking forward to what the team could do on the next Xbox and their next game. Also pissed off to see people on WOKE Xboxera look to defend this move and try and make out that racing sims have had their day.
Xbox could bring out a breeze block, paint it green, and they'll say it's the best move ever
But Turn 10 deserved better than to be gutted in half after one little missstep, it wasn't like FORZA was terrible either and the underlying tech was amazing
I was looking forward to what the team could do on the next Xbox and their next game. Also pissed off to see people on WOKE Xboxera look to defend this move and try and make out that racing sims have had their day.
Xbox could bring out a breeze block, paint it green, and they'll say it's the best move ever
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lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
"only"
Skifi28
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Taking 6+ years to deliver the most underwhelming game in the franchise with regressions while constantly advertising "from the ground up" right as you port the exact same assets from a decade ago is not "one little misstep". Something went horriby wrong during development , there's probably much more to it than the known issue with contractors.
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Horseganador
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So basically Turn10 is a dead studio with 0 ability to create anything new and will dedicate itself to supporting Forza Horizon.
Team Andromeda
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I do wonder if you even bought it, but I guess you did. I found Forza 2 to be the most underwhelming in the series and graphically it looked like a joke too
I enjoyed FORZA and find the tech great, it's the presentation and the slow, dull boring start to the single player mode I had issues with myself
skyfinch
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I feel like Turn 10 was well on their way to developing a great game, but something happened internally that caused them to start all over. In the end, we got FM2023, which even though it took them 7 years, it was still rushed.
No way in hell that the Turn 10 of Xbox 360 days couldn't get a "next gen" sequel out after 7 years. They launched FM5 on new, shitty ass Xbox One hardware 2 years after FM4.
No way in hell that the Turn 10 of Xbox 360 days couldn't get a "next gen" sequel out after 7 years. They launched FM5 on new, shitty ass Xbox One hardware 2 years after FM4.
SamuraiEdge
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Honestly, with the market now, Gran Turismo is all that is needed, with Horizon being the right IP when it comes to that Forza brand. After all these years, Forza Horizon did the good grace of pushing simulation driving to become more competitive, bringing out the best in innovation and creation up to this generation, where things are now settled.
They run out of steam with Horizon having a legit place in the driving space to complement the other parts, like GT, for the best all-around driving fun experiences. The team simply runs out of steam to make a game. Their strengths are technology that will now go to Playground Games for Horizon.
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SkylineRKR
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I never understood the need of so many circuit racers on MS' part. There were like 3 Forza games on 360, and another 3 on Xbox One. Next to Horizon which might be a different beast but it does share the same name. Sometimes here members are confused too, thinking the discussion is about FH. Just release one, and keep on perfecting it. Pretty much how Polyphony does it now.
With FM series you largely buy the same cars on the same circuits over and over again, each with their own flaws. Its a shame the latest game had to be so bad from the get go though, as a good starting point might've worked out for MS.
The racing and sound in this latest game are solid though. But all wrapped up in a quite lifeless and bare bones package.
With FM series you largely buy the same cars on the same circuits over and over again, each with their own flaws. Its a shame the latest game had to be so bad from the get go though, as a good starting point might've worked out for MS.
The racing and sound in this latest game are solid though. But all wrapped up in a quite lifeless and bare bones package.
Skifi28
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Let's say I have some experience with it.
The state it launched in was indefensible. It has been very slowly getting better and the last few updates specifically were a step in the right dirfection at last, but the ship has long sailed for most people and sacking the Studio and future games seems to confirm it.
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Astray
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People are laughing but there's a car sim audience that sustained 7 games on Xbox.
This is almost the exact same situation that happened when Forza Horizon 5 hit PS5, big audience that's conditioned to buy but not served well anymore.
ChorizoPicozo
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maybe at the very beginning.
But people who actually played those game gravitate to GT because tends to be a deeper and more competitive experience (on console)
midnightAI
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PC is very likely, Xbox, not a chance, why would they do that?
ChorizoPicozo
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..... The future doesn't look bright at all.....everything under MS goes to shit. and I'm not even kidding.
their track record is awful
Fable
crack down
Halo
gears
hellblade
Forza motorsport
flight simulator
So, Xbox as a third is indeed great, only in size. They need to do way better. This idea of giving 'W' to Xbox for ABK/ZeniMax's games is the same spin/damage control that put Xbox on the road of delusion.
Ev1L AuRoN
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Give Forza Motorsport it to 343 — they know what they're doing. 
Blaming 'contractors' is an easy cop out. It's the same engine. Car models were fine.
'Contractors' isn't the reason why they took so long to make the game, and decision to go with the deeply unpopular 'CarRpg' BS would have been made by long term Turn 10 staff.
Windom Earle
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IAmRei
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they are both racing games, the focus should be cars, not trees.Trees in the next Forza Horizon
but i got Your point
I'm sure you're aware that the screenshot you're posting is a graphical flaw in the game at launch, and it's been fixed for a long time now.... Well, it's you, I'm sure you're aware....Trees in the next Forza Horizon
Vegetation (it also moves with the wind ) in FM....
If T10 has been reduced to a FH support studio, it's a shame because Forza Motorspot was starting to become the game it was promised, and the latest update with the Fujimi Kaido track really raised the bar.
An example of how in this industry, a bad launch mean things are lost, no matter how much effort you put in. By the time improvements and advancements arrive, people are already looking elsewhere.
I don't know if new FM updates will come in, or if it's probably the studio Will only be in charge of the technology or the graphics and physics engine . If the latter, hopefully, it'll help speed up FH6's development times.
PS. My wish continue being PGR 5.... A impossible dream
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RetroGamingUK
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They're both driving sins which aim for realism.
Photorealistic graphics are a huge component and I hope GT8 has path tracing.
Mario Kart 8, I couldn't give a fuck about realistic graphics and trees.
NeverYouMind
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Turn 10 is now a Playground Games support studio.
BennyBlanco
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Seriously. I couldn't believe how bad the last FM was. I played for like an hour and a half then got a refund. It was incredibly boring.
LokusAbriss
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Fujimi Kaido was a great content update. But nothing could have saved that bad launch.
Every title from FM5-8 had big launch problems. Just frustrating problems for fans, but they always nuked their player base with the releases.
Bad management und idiotic microsoft guidelines ruined a great franchise.
Every title from FM5-8 had big launch problems. Just frustrating problems for fans, but they always nuked their player base with the releases.
Bad management und idiotic microsoft guidelines ruined a great franchise.
bitbydeath
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With Xbox leaving the console biz, each game Sony deploys over to Xbox is effectively a carrot to try bring them over.
I expect more games to follow, they're fishing.
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