Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.
It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
Nah, Forza 6 Apex on PC.Forza 5 was the last truly grate one.
Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.
It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
Dosen't help that microsoft/xbox wanna hire cheap labor aka contractors to do the work. You pay for cheap labor and it ends up screwing the veterans at tha studio because you gotta teach said labor on what to do, what you want done etc etc which takes resources away from developing the game and improving it. Phil spencer and matt booty are to blame for the mismanagement consistently happening at xbox.
I love how you pretend to know that. While I agree that Spencer and Booty are ultimately to blame here, the rest of the post is pure guesswork.
It was a bullshit narrative in the first place.It completely destroys the narrative that the revenue earned from gamepass is enough to sustain these studios.
I would say it was before FM7. There hasn't been a good FM since the 360 days at least IMO. It really sucks thought because FM came out on the Xbox and I was blown away as it felt fresh compared to GT (which was/is my favorite racing franchise of all time), and then then FM2 was amazing. It stayed good through Xbox 360.Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.
It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
Peak of the series for sureOnly FM3 was good
Shame. I've always liked the Horizon games more but not fun to see the original studio being gutted like this.
Does this mean Forza Horizon will be their primary racing game going forward?
The methodologies surrounding contractors at turn 10 has long been public knowledge now.
An ex Turn 10 Dev shares behind the scenes stories of the development of FM23. And really shines a light on what the fuck is going wrong over at Microsoft's studios. 18 month contracts, getting rid of senior devs who have the knowledge and passion and replacing with cheap green devs. It's no wonder the game felt so rushed and without a proper vision.
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Forza Motorsport Developer Shares 'Exhausting' Experience Making the Game
Microsoft's long-reported insistence on contract hires took its toll on the rebooted racing sim's development, according to one artist.www.thedrive.com
FM5 had the excuse of being a launch game at least, and FM6 wasn't terrible imo. FM7 was unacceptably bad.I would say it was before FM7. There hasn't been a good FM since the 360 days at least IMO. It really sucks thought because FM came out on the Xbox and I was blown away as it felt fresh compared to GT (which was/is my favorite racing franchise of all time), and then then FM2 was amazing. It stayed good through Xbox 360.
FM5 was barebones but not terrible, then 6 was mediocre as hell, 7 was bad, and FM "From the Ground Up" Edition was just shit.
Yep, MS in general brought their stupid 18 month contractor policy to gaming studios and that shit just doesn't work on complex projects that last 5-6 (or more) years.
I think so. It can't be a coincidence that the quality, dev times, etc has taken a perceptive nose dive.Could this be something a lot of American studios are doing this gen?
They all seem to have coincidently gone to shit at the same time.
Taking 6+ years to deliver the most underwhelming game in the franchise with regressions while constantly advertising "from the ground up" right as you port the exact same assets from a decade ago is not "one little misstep". Something went horriby wrong during development , there's probably much more to it than the known issue with contractors.But Turn 10 deserved better than to be gutted in half after one little missstep
I do wonder if you even bought it, but I guess you did. I found Forza 2 to be the most underwhelming in the series and graphically it looked like a joke tooTaking 6+ years to deliver the most underwhelming game in the franchise with regressions while constantly advertising "from the ground up" right as you port the exact same assets from a decade ago is not "one little misstep". Something went horriby wrong during development , there's probably much more to it than the known issue with contractors.
Honestly, with the market now, Gran Turismo is all that is needed, with Horizon being the right IP when it comes to that Forza brand. After all these years, Forza Horizon did the good grace of pushing simulation driving to become more competitive, bringing out the best in innovation and creation up to this generation, where things are now settled.Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.
It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
Let's say I have some experience with it.I do wonder if you even bought it, but I guess you did. I found Forza 2 to be the most underwhelming in the series and graphically it looked like a joke too
I enjoyed FORZA and find the tech great, it's the presentation and the slow, dull boring start to the single player mode I had issues with myself
People are laughing but there's a car sim audience that sustained 7 games on Xbox.Opens up a path for Sony to port GT7 if they want to.
maybe at the very beginning.
PC is very likely, Xbox, not a chance, why would they do that?Forza Motorsport was a joke of a release. All that talk of next gen physics etc and they launched a turd.
I loved old Forza Motorsport titles but this was a joke. Hopefully Sony brings Gran Turismo to PC and Xbox soon.
People really are "forgetting" these two games.
i wonder if MS is going to make another Forza Motorsport game. How in the fuck are they going to compete against Gran Turismo on PlayStation and the hardcore ones on PC.
The latest Forza basically killed the Franchise.
..... The future doesn't look bright at all.....everything under MS goes to shit. and I'm not even kidding.
their track record is awful
Fable
crack down
Halo
gears
hellblade
Forza motorsport
flight simulator
So, Xbox as a third is indeed great, only in size. They need to do way better. This idea of giving 'W' to Xbox for ABK/ZeniMax's games is the same spin/damage control that put Xbox on the road of delusion.
Taking 6+ years to deliver the most underwhelming game in the franchise with regressions while constantly advertising "from the ground up" right as you port the exact same assets from a decade ago is not "one little misstep". Something went horriby wrong during development , there's probably much more to it than the known issue with contractors.
He is saying the same practice applies for 343 and The Coalition. MS is so fucking retarded.The methodologies surrounding contractors at turn 10 has long been public knowledge now.
they are both racing games, the focus should be cars, not trees.Trees in the next Forza Horizon
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I'm sure you're aware that the screenshot you're posting is a graphical flaw in the game at launch, and it's been fixed for a long time now.... Well, it's you, I'm sure you're aware....Trees in the next Forza Horizon
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they are both racing games, the focus should be cars, not trees.
but i got Your point
Turn 10 used to be a reliable studio, I wonder what happened. They fell off with FM7 and never recovered.
It took close to a decade to put out a sequel with virtually no improvements, like wtf…
With Xbox leaving the console biz, each game Sony deploys over to Xbox is effectively a carrot to try bring them over.People are laughing but there's a car sim audience that sustained 7 games on Xbox.
This is almost the exact same situation that happened when Forza Horizon 5 hit PS5, big audience that's conditioned to buy but not served well anymore.