Forza 5 was the last truly grate one. Then they started fooling around with too many things.
So you played a game for over 140 hours thats meant to be the worst in the series and indefensible, ok....Let's say I have some experience with it.
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The state it launched in was indefensible. It has been very slowly getting better and the last few updates specifically were a step in the right dirfection at last, but the ship has long sailed for most people and sacking the Studio and future games seems to confirm it.
Worst in the series does not mean unplayable, a good chunk of the hours have been recently after all the improvements. 140 is also not that much, I probably have over 1k hours on most of the previous Forzas.So you played a game for over 140 hours thats meant to be the worst in the series and indefensible, ok....
Doesn't surprise me about Turn 10. The last few mainline Forza Motorsport games weren't well received by players and in a multiplatform future Forza Motorsport has no place. They'll never dethrone Gran Turismo on PlayStation and PC has a ridiculous amount of racing sims.
Might as well roll the rest of the studio into Playground Games so Forza Horizon can continue to be their marquee arcade racing game.
FM1: 8.3, FM2: 7.9, FM3: 8.2, FM4: 8.4
FM5: 6.1, FM6: 7.8, FM7: 6.6, FM8: 6.9
To me it's all about the next Xbox and how much of a mass-market device it is (my personal prediction is it won't be, and it seems Sony is sensing the same).With Xbox leaving the console biz, each game Sony deploys over to Xbox is effectively a carrot to try bring them over.
I expect more games to follow, they're fishing.
"PC" As in Steam? Maybe. Xbox, That's a Pipe Dream.Forza Motorsport was a joke of a release. All that talk of next gen physics etc and they launched a turd.
I loved old Forza Motorsport titles but this was a joke. Hopefully Sony brings Gran Turismo to PC and Xbox soon.
If you think Gran Turismo is coming to Xbox, you may need to be drug tested! Lol.This is all starting to make sense... Xbox gonna make Forza Horizon for Xbox and PS players, Playstation gonna make Gran Turismo for PS and Xbox players. Profit off each other's playerbases without having to make their own arcade/sim titles anymore. Looks like we are staring at fanbase unification right in the damn face, we just can't fully see or grasp it yet.
It was only so big in the first place because it is on a subscription service. Horizon didn't sell well before gamepass.They screwed the forza motorsport series and handicapped it by introducing the forza horizon series honestly. You completely undercut your own marquee franchise by making a spin off of it. I feel like even if forza motorsport came out absolutely incredible, then it still would've been screwed because of how big forza horizon is and how it took alot of the audience of motorsport. But then you wanna turn around and blame turn 10 who's been a legacy studio for you? Gimme a break.
It was only so big in the first place because it is on a subscription service. Horizon didn't sell well before gamepass.
I think it's telling that Sony didn't make any kind of chest-thumping statements about Xbox games coming to PS, this is the company that never ever turned down an opportunity to merk their rivals, so them working it like this is a clear hint that a larger deal was worked out behind the scenes.This is all starting to make sense... Xbox gonna make Forza Horizon for Xbox and PS players, Playstation gonna make Gran Turismo for PS and Xbox players. Profit off each other's playerbases without having to make their own arcade/sim titles anymore. Looks like we are staring at fanbase unification right in the damn face, we just can't fully see or grasp it yet.
I think 4 was the fan favourite game. It has been downhill since then.
And while GT vs FM fans were going back and forth, everyone else knew which series was the true king of the 360 generation:In the 360 era, FM was miles ahead of Gran Turismo.
You should have just summed up your post with a gif:No apology necessary. They've killed the franchise, not retooled it into an AA live service game.
Holy shit, MS on a serious purge here, wtf
Please explain how them killing off their "AAAA" studio after 7 years and 0 games, abandoning one of the Xbox big 3 in mainline Forza, and relegating Rare to exclusively Sea of Thieves maintenance is going to result in an omelet.You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs
The methodologies surrounding contractors at turn 10 has long been public knowledge now.
An ex Turn 10 Dev shares behind the scenes stories of the development of FM23. And really shines a light on what the fuck is going wrong over at Microsoft's studios. 18 month contracts, getting rid of senior devs who have the knowledge and passion and replacing with cheap green devs. It's no wonder the game felt so rushed and without a proper vision.
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Forza Motorsport Developer Shares 'Exhausting' Experience Making the Game
Microsoft's long-reported insistence on contract hires took its toll on the rebooted racing sim's development, according to one artist.www.thedrive.com
Windows Central is probably the website I trust the least but I hope it's true. The series may be nearly 15 years in decline but I don't think it should go away.![]()
Forza Motorsport's future doesn't look good following the grim week at Xbox — Turn 10 layoffs reportedly had a massive impact on any future for the franchise
Turn 10, the makers of Forza Motorsport, will be shifting to a support role for the Horizon series, which remains on track.www.windowscentral.com
A glimmer of hope? Sounds like FM may not be definitively cancelled but certainly on the back burner while the remaining devs focus on horizon
The series may be nearly 15 years in decline but I don't think it should go away.
Please explain how them killing off their "AAAA" studio after 7 years and 0 games, abandoning one of the Xbox big 3 in mainline Forza, and relegating Rare to exclusively Sea of Thieves maintenance is going to result in an omelet.
It's two different things though.
"You pay for cheap labor and it ends up screwing the veterans at tha studio because you gotta teach said labor on what to do, what you want done etc etc which takes resources away from developing the game and improving it."
Is not the same as replacing senior devs with "green devs".
We both know that. Good try though.
If you think Gran Turismo is coming to Xbox, you may need to be drug tested! Lol.
No, Helldivers is a Live Service Game. Sony has been upfront that their GAAS games will be multiplatform the whole time. Bungie's Marathon game will be multiplatform also.Never say never
Especially if they load the next iteration up with monetization and want to make as much money as possible. Helldivers will be a good game to test this out with.
Some of you saying there are "tons of simcade games that compete with Motorsport on PC" is completely false.
[Proceeds to list games that compete with Motorsport on PC, most of which have had higher or more consistent player counts than FM7 or FM8.]
Your entire argument is "but muh controller!". I posted numbers above. Forza Motorsport on PC has been an absolute flop and the vast majority don't seem to care about Motorsport as a "controller circuit simcade game".
I play a lot of racing games and absolutely NONE of them outclass Forza Motorsport when it comes to "controller circuit simcade game". Absolutely none.
Some of you saying there are "tons of simcade games that compete with Motorsport on PC" is completely false.
Assetto Corsa (Competizione, Evo), Automobilista, Project Cars 2, Le Mans Ultimate, iRacing etc... are all great with a wheel but absolutely suck, really SUCK with controllers. It just feels bland & unpolished compared to FM. FM has impulse triggers etc... that are extremely satisfying features.
I can't name a single game that combines strong controller support with circuits & simcade handling. All others "controller emphasis" games are open world arcade that are more of a competitor to Horizon, not Motorsport.
I'm really saddened by the Motorsport fate. Why did they release the game in such a poor state is beyond me. Lots of X360 era reused assets. No real enhancements compared to older iterations etc.... Still, I bought the game very recently following the Fujimi Kaido update and i'm having a very good time with it.
But i can understand why they crashed in the end. They've been sleeping on their former glory for years.
I play a lot of racing games and absolutely NONE of them outclass Forza Motorsport when it comes to "controller circuit simcade game". Absolutely none.
Some of you saying there are "tons of simcade games that compete with Motorsport on PC" is completely false.
You should try out gt7. It's absolutely wonderful on controller especially due to the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. The game is genuinely able to effectively communicate the feeling of tire grip, road surface and even wheels locking up.I play a lot of racing games and absolutely NONE of them outclass Forza Motorsport when it comes to "controller circuit simcade game". Absolutely none.
Some of you saying there are "tons of simcade games that compete with Motorsport on PC" is completely false.
Assetto Corsa (Competizione, Evo), Automobilista, Project Cars 2, Le Mans Ultimate, iRacing etc... are all great with a wheel but absolutely suck, really SUCK with controllers. It just feels bland & unpolished compared to FM. FM has impulse triggers etc... that are extremely satisfying features.
I can't name a single game that combines strong controller support with circuits & simcade handling. All others "controller emphasis" games are open world arcade that are more of a competitor to Horizon, not Motorsport.
I'm really saddened by the Motorsport fate. Why did they release the game in such a poor state is beyond me. Lots of X360 era reused assets. No real enhancements compared to older iterations etc.... Still, I bought the game very recently following the Fujimi Kaido update and i'm having a very good time with it.
But i can understand why they crashed in the end. They've been sleeping on their former glory for years.
You are still buthurt over that i see. I still stand by what i said. Unlike you fanboy clowns i enjoy all those games. Many people have lost there job and you are still cheering that GT vs Forza bullshit.Turk1993 sure is quiet. Dude was all over on how much better FM8 was compared to GT7.
This is soo wrong, as someone who plays both i can say that Forza does alot of thing better than GT like
- better car list
- better FFB (on my G Pro with TF)
- better physics ( rain exlcuded obv., its even worse than FM7)
- dynamic tod and weather on all tracks
- better sandbox like freeplay
- better graphics on pc
- bigger grid
- better camera views and more customization
Its not perfect obv. and there are also lots of thing that GT does better. But to say that its a poor mans GT and worse in every aspect is just wrong.
I already named a few for FM, let me give you the things that GT7 does better
- rain simulation is far more advanced and has alot more effect on the physics
- it has better ai, they race alot cleaner and are more competitive
- the interior view is more detailed most of the time
- the driver animations are superior
- the replays are far superior
- it has better photomode
- it has some really good single player races in the mission section
- the pit is better
- the online community is bigger
- VR VR VR!
Also if i say that one thing is better in one game compared to other game doesn't mean its bad in that one game. Its just that the other one is a better. They are both good games with both offering alot of different things to enjoy. There are alot of different tracks in both games to enjoy.
Really bizarre.You are still buthurt over that i see. I still stand by what i said. Unlike you fanboy clowns i enjoy all those games. Many people have lost there job and you are still cheering that GT vs Forza bullshit.
I didn't post too much lately on this site because im working in my new house thats almost finished. But your stupid comment made me reply to it.
btw this is what i said for people wondering
Just read the last sentence in the last quote
Have to agree on this. I will not say it is the better game, but as simcade on PC it is a great game to play with a controller. PC is ok but PC2 i just can't keep the car on the road.Going to have to agree here. I play on PC as well and when the FM series was announced as coming to PC I was beyond ecstatic. The latest title being launched in such a way was more detrimental to the sales than just waiting a bit for them to polish it... I have Gamepass and I'm glad I used it for FM because I'd have regretted paying full price.... and just now I purchased the premium edition today because the games in a good place and fun.
To me, it's a perfect blend of simcade as I'm not going to sit here with a wheel and pretend I'm behind a car unless I do it right and that is NOT cheap so I find the controller perfect, just like I've been using since the first FM came out on OG Xbox.
I've also got a 330hp RWD Sedan as my daily that itches my go fast needs behind a wheel too so that probably plays a role.