Proelite
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Not really. Lack of focus / rushed time tables did it.
Programming Issues on XBox One - Johnathon Blow
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Not really. Lack of focus / rushed time tables did it.
What if all the publishers find it easy to produce superior performance on the PS4? Will MS tell them all they can't make games? The same MS who boast (arguably) the weakest first party setup?
Of course that's assuming that they sell enough of these things to wield any clout of the magnitude required to dictate terms to publishers.
And then of course we are assuming that Sony will be a passive bystander in this arrangement, which is strange considering the message they are currently pushing.
It's amazing the difference in reactions between the big developers and indies.
TheGreyHulk
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you're wrong. it's a fair comparison. it may be an "effective" frequency, but the bandwidth calculation listed is correct by the nature of the tech involved in gddr5
this is what i got from another forum
"DDR = Double data rate
DDR transmits TWICE per cycle. Hence the name (double data rate).
GDDR5 transmits on the high as well as the low edge so doubles again."
basically GDDR5 is frequency*4, so the GDDR5 in the PS4 runs @ 1375mhz but it can read/write 4 times per clock so you get and effective "5500mhz"
the XB1 is also using effective frequency. ddr3 can read/write 2 times per clock so it should be divided by 2 to get the real value
Hey if it's locked with triple buffered V-sync that is fine, but I just can't see a developer doing that when they can simply lock it at 30fps making everything easier on themselves IMO. 45fps would definitely be preferable over 30fps, but I'd rather get the visual fidelity even higher and drop that down to 30fps. And judging from the way this console generation has been, I bet we'll continue to see a lot of 30fps games in the future.
Looks like he works at Rad Game Tools
BlazingDarkness
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Was curious about this. Gets even more interesting - also says that Sony's tools and libraries are better than MS's at this point, and better integrated with Microsoft's own IDE!
Who is this man?
I'm interested in hearing more stuff like this - now both consoles are revealed I hope we hear more from developers about their experience with each.
They had well enough time to make this right. More than enough.
Vyse The Legend
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You're assuming that the XONE would only capable of 30 fps -- and nothing more. That 30fps vs. 60fps is deceiving.
Picture this: If the XONE could do, say, 45 fps at a variable rate for a game, then saying the PS4 version could hit 60fps becomes completely feasible. However, since an inconsistent framerate is unappealing to the human eye, devs would naturally lock it at 30fps on the XONE, but let the PS4 do 60fps. And so, you have the 30 vs 60 gap mentioned by Jonathan.
Because unlike small devs, the big ones can't sour a relationship that may become detrimental in being to put games on MS's platform.
Felix Lighter
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I find it hard to believe that MS could mandate platform parity and it would not immediately be leaked and very widely known with lots of disgruntled devs complaining that they had to intentionally cripple the Sony version.
Xbone and xstones Jon Blow.
You are forgetting all 2k Sports games XB/PS2 erro
Believe he's a graphics programmer, quite well known in the demo scene, and works for a middleware company.
Felix Lighter
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Locked 45 fps would be awful. Every other frame would be displayed for twice as long as the others. You can eliminate tearing but not the inconsistent frame times.
Mechanized
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With the negative press the Xbox One is currently receiving; outdated set top box focus, lower specs than its competition, 24 hour online check-in requirement, no used games/lending games without paying fees... it may not be in quite the position of power that the 360 was to demand such things. But time will tell of course.
OS bloat will make this gap only bigger.
30fps vs 60fps is a possibilty for some titles.
Well there ya go, I experimented with locked 40-45 fps before and I wondered why it was so fucking janky. Everyday is a school day haha.
Impossible!!! XBone has an always connected relationship with the internet.
Considering the PC centric approach of the PS4 and XBONE and how similar they are to each other I'd say that optimising for the stronger console is going to be quite easy.
Devs are used to do this for a long, long time now. They have to cater to a lot of PC configurations. It should be really easy on the new HD twins.
If what Blow said is true then it would be as simple as having a High and Mid settings on a PC game.
Resolution and texture quality will have a considerable difference. Maybe even FPS on some games.
Midnight Phoenix
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You are forgot about 300 millions servers. Dat 1999 year power.
EmCeeGramr
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I stand corrected /bow
Kind of lame that MS is using 1066 mem in the Xbox1.... guess they weren't kidding when they said they didn't aim for highest specs possible.
300 thousand not million lol.
Boco_Jones
Banned
This does happen. MS do tell devs and give them ultimatums against the PS3 version. Like it has have motion controls or kinect support if you're putting Move into it. Otherwise we're not releasing your game on our platform.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Using that number seems a bit disingenuous, even blatantly false, with regard to improving the framerate. The PS4 GPU has 50% more computational power than the XBO's, and since you're using the XBO performance as a baseline from which to improve you should be stating the increase in power when going from there to the PS4 (50%), not the decrease in power when going the other way (which would be 33%, yes).
I'm not saying we're gonna see a lot of 30 vs 60 fps situations (higher res, larger textures, more effects, etc, seem more likely), but if you're gonna post performance numbers then do it right.
So, it's still 50%.
The difference is too large to enforce this. Bigger than ps2, xbox. Their BS tactics won't work.
Pimpbaa
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That 7770 is using faster ram than the 7770 in the Xboned too.
Yeah, see the recent DF PS4 v Xbox one analysis thread title.
Digital Foundry: PS4's GPU is 50% faster
OP of that thread: Xbox GPU is 33% less powerful
:lol
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Eesh this stuff is bumming me out.
TheGreyHulk
Member
precisely. it can be spun as 33% less, but we all know you should use the lowest powered chip as the base value (1.0) and rate the higher powered gpu based on this to get 50% more for PS4.
then why did they allow FF13 on 360 while it was inferior then the ps3 visually speaking?
also the fact how hard such a move could backfire.
Metalmurphy
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these posts
these statements....
Why are people acting like this hasn't happened before? It has.
Shouldn't it be closer to 2x to 2.5x?
Hard to say anything about opening of that Killzone footage. You have a weird perspective of the Gamecube.
phosphor112
Banned
With the current bandwidths for both, what is the largest possible memory being access per frame?
People keep mentioning "the cloud" being a big difference maker. But you have to realize that the games still have to come out with full capability for those people who only connect to the internet once per day. Remember? The games have to be compatible when the internet is down for up to 24 hours.
Pimpbaa
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It's not like you are forced to get a Xbox One.
No way I'm settling for 30fps in 2013....no fucking way mate!
an example please .
Zoramon089
Banned
Well, good thing they won't have to account for that situation as you won't be playing any games then...
I wouldn't say lack of focus. It's more of them trying to push the same strategy they've been using for the past 2-3 years by adding in more interactivity with the owner and their technology. This new console looks like their evolution from console manufacturer to set-top box creator.
Too bad Apply is still around and core gamers are usually early adopters.
Both consoles are runnig the same hardware this time round, except one is substantially quicker.
All devs have to do next gen is push the "make this game better" button pretty much and the game will better on Sonys machine.
If they spent a further 10 minutes it could be much better,
MS have their work cut out.
DouglasteR
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Best comment so far.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
This is what I thought, but apparently the videos were poorly encoded and the DF analysis of some much better source revealed that the game practically never dipped below 30FPS.