#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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Tweeted to Sucker Punch saying that I played inFamous while I had no internet and loved it so subsequently bought the Sly Collection and inFamous 2 day 1.

I think it would be a nice idea to use personal experiences with Sony games where you borrowed or played a memorable game offline and conclude with the hashtag. My tweets for example :

@madMrFurious 4m
@SuckerPunchProd Moved to new apartment&had no internet. Tried inFamous loved it so much I bought part 2 and Sly collection day1! #PS4NoDRM

@madMrFurious 10m
Borrowed Final Fantasy VII, bought FF VIII to XIII. No internet, played inFamous bought all Sucker Punch games.
#PS4NoDRM #PS4USEDGAMES
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Krusenstern said:
German Eurogamer.de has made an article about it: http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/20...nd-fuer-gebrauchtspiele-auf-der-playstation-4

And a tweet from them:
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Nice!
 
Not only that. We need our beloved analogic touch sensitive buttons back on Dulashock 4. Who told you people or games don't use it? It is a greta pain to play MGS HD collection on PS Vita without them and I can't imagine that on PS4. Where can I join my voice about this too? Join me please !
 
PLASTICA-MAN said:
Not only that. We need our beloved analogic touch sensitive buttons back on Dulashock 4. Who told you people or games don't use it? It is a greta pain to play MGS HD collection on PS Vita without them and I can't imagine that on PS4. Where can I join my voice about this too? Join me please !
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Same with Gran Turismo (I didn't have a wheel for awhile). I guess PD will move the gas / brake to the trigger buttons.
 
No used game sales harms the pubs as well. If price of games got higher a lot of people will buy less and less games every year which will effect a lot of devs and pubs. There´s nothing stopping devs from raising the price of games, and taking out used games the price of games will stay high, and people will buy less and less games.
 
Holy crap, I went to bed and this thread was at 5 pages, now it's over 40. Whoa. And it's gotten responses from higher-ups. Amazing.
 
Jim Sterling is far cooler than I assumed he would be from what I was led to believe

keep up the good fight!

Edit - that nade no sense. Drunk. Sorry
 
XAL said:
It's not a matter of whether or not they should at this point, I think how the publishers/developers feel is that there is a substantial % of customers that do not purchase their games on day 1 at full price. They wait several months and purchase reduced price copies.

Should they get a cut? Probably not.

But they, for the most part anyways, perceive the resell market to be a missing revenue stream (if only because the revenue generated by preowned games is rather large). And therefore want a piece of it.

Which is why I think this authentication fee is a kind of game they are playing with resellers is to pressure them into an agreement where they give a % of the revenue generated back to the people that made the game.
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Do you see the music industry going after the yard-sale of an old record? Do you see the movie industry take on consumers who buy a movie 2nd hand? Do you have to pay a company if you trade/buy an old stamp?

No, but because this is the game industry, it's suddenly okay?

What would you do if you were an art-fan and everytime you wanted to see just the Mona Lisa you have buy a pass? (not counting the usual museum fare to see everything inside.)
 
Vashu said:
Do you see the music industry going after the yard-sale of an old record? Do you see the movie industry take on consumers who buy a movie 2nd hand? Do you have to pay a company if you trade/buy an old stamp?

No, but because this is the game industry, it's suddenly okay?

What would you do if you were an art-fan and everytime you wanted to see just the Mona Lisa you have buy a pass? (not counting the usual museum fare to see everything inside.)
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PaNaMa said:
I know where you're going man, but there's a percentage of consumers in the world who do not buy furtinture, cars, music, golf clubs, hell *anything* day 1 full price. A lot of people buy stuff used, and not from the original maker. I know it's not apples to apples 100%, but it's a slipperly slope. They way it works for most things is you buy something, you own it. From there, you can sell it. I'm sure developers would love to get double and triple dipping on the used sales, but it doesn't mean they should.
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You're 100% correct, and I'm not defending them.

Nintendo for instance was even musing about wanting to collect revenue from youtubers and streamers playing their games online, because they feel that the revenue being generated is a result of their product - therefore they are entitled to the monies. They probably want to take the "this movie/film shall not be used in public events where money is made" type of bullshit as legal justification.

You can't expect these people to be fair or even use common sense. When money is concerned, their methods of acquiring more get more and more aggressive/intrusive. This whole DRM nonsense is a result of that - they even take it to extremes (ie, always online).

I buy the game, I can do what I want with it. It's mine, if I want to sell it I should be able to. If I want to give it away to my friend for free I should be able to.

But they don't see it that way, they see it as "that's our intellectual property and we control it, if you make money off of it - we deserve a cut because that's our intellectual property and you wouldn't be making money off of it if we didn't make it".

It's all kind of disheartening.
 
Coxy said:
Marcus Beer, the guy who does the Annoyed Gamer videos for gamertrailers gave it a mention, good man
https://twitter.com/AnnoyedGamer/status/339053132963270656
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Noalwaysoncamps4? That's a new one, hadn't thought all that much about it to be honest. Definitely agree though, that's actually the one thing about that bothers me the most about the Xbox One: it being mandatory to have Kinect on while playing a game. Talk about feeling like you're under surveillance. That's borderline Orwellian shit. It's a dark future ahead of us if that kind of "feature" is deemed acceptable by the public. I don't know about you guys, but I like to lube the crankshaft and know for certain I'm not being watched.
 
jacksepticeye said:
So the best thing that can happen now is obviously Sony listening and agreeing with gamers BUT also that MS see this and learn a thing or two as well
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at this point I am not counting on MS ...it's sad but that's how consumer unfriendly I'm looking at microsoft's xbone at this particular moment.
 
Patrick Klepek @patrickklepek
Tip to those pressuring Sony on used games: these changes are happening due to third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. They want this.

Patrick Klepek @patrickklepek
So while Microsoft deserves flack for having wishy washy answers, know the real reason it's happening is because of other companies.
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Some quick tweets from Patrick in response to this.
 
Still don't understand what's with Reddit deleting mentions of this (and somehow hiding the post that's left from the front page despite it having enough points to be there). Very strange attitude from a website that supposedly gives the power to its users to decide what's popular through the voting system.
 
eLZhi said:
Just tweeted TotalBiscuit about this. He has 185,656 followers, and I'm sure he feels the same as we do.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit

EDIT: Never mind. We're "lazy slacktivists that should do something meaningful."
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Totalbiscuit ‏@Totalbiscuit 2 min

Posting hashtags on Twitter to try and effect change is one of the laziest, slacktivist ways to do things ever. Do something meaningful

Yeap yeap.
 
Patrick Klepek makes an excellent point on Twitter about reaching out to third parties about this too, since they're the other, counter stakeholder in all this.

Do we have a few relevant twitter accounts for EA / Ubisoft / Activision etc?

I might put in buttons to tweet each of those separately on the letter page.
 
I don't know what he suggest we do then. At this point in time the motive is to pressure Sony into a clear stance and not feign ignorance. If they come out in support of DRM measures I will gladly withhold my money from a PS4.
 
XAL said:
But they don't see it that way, they see it as "that's our intellectual property and we control it, if you make money off of it - we deserve a cut because that's our intellectual property and you wouldn't be making money off of it if we didn't make it".

It's got to be some degree of madness.
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Exactly.

But it's the same with painters.

Now, I'm not very knowledgeable about the arts and stuff, but I imagine that as a painter, once you've sold your artwork it's sold. It has your name on it, but the original is no longer yours, it belongs to the buyer now and he/she can do with it as he/she deems fit, right?

Of course, you'd probably have contract with a byline stating that the buyer can't delibirately destroy it, but still. If the buyer eventually wants to sell it, the creator shouldn't be able to to stop it.

If anything, he/she should be glad someone else now has the ability to enjoy it, creating a possible new customer in the process.
 
Can't believe that this is what it takes to make me sign up for a Twitter account. But it's worth it if we get their attention.
 
Emwitus said:
Accepting reality. You can all fight for your "rights", but unless you're taking sony to court ain't no way they listen. This is about making money...This is about earning a piece of the pie gamestop earn from ripping as all off. If they rot away in the end i'd be very happy actually. I hate gamestop.
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why anyone would try and deter someone else from trying to enact change vs. something they feel is unfair/bad is beyond me. It's your prerogative to not get involved + feel this is all pointless, but please get out of the way, sir.
 
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