UK Xbox One pre-orders ahead of PS4, although PS4 enjoys post Xbox spike

Farrow said:
Well I was in a GAME store yesterday and an employee asked if I would like to preorder the Xbox One. I jokingly replied "Hell no", he laughed and told me that that's same reaction everyone gives him.

So I live in hope that not all UK gamers bend over so easily.
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Aye why preorder in game when they might go belly up
 
Durante said:
More specifically, "the angry internet masses" may not be representative of the wider UK buying public.

Personally, I could totally see XB1 taking the US and UK and PS4 everywhere else.
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Why would angry internet masses on English-spoken websites be representative of the wider buying public outside English-speaking countries?
 
Mindwipe said:
There aren't any Freesat or Freeview boxes that support HDMI-CEC to send the signals back to.

Which means another box plunked in front of your Freeview box to foward over the infrared codes. Which aren't standardised, so you'll have to spend half an hour trial and error setting them up for each box. And will introduce half a second of lag on every channel change.

All so you can do voice recognition that usually fails with a British accent anyway.

That's not a mass market proposition. It doesn't do anything good to improve the experience, and the setup is far too fiddly and techy.

And we're not even getting to the point of requiring a web based API (since the Xbone can't read the schedule information from the box) that had the schedule on it and was updated as quickly as the broadcast DVB EPG (which doesn't exist and the broadcasters would be loathe to set one up). Accessing said EPG comes with HDCP DRM requirements which usually involve hardware level implementation. Has Microsoft got any of these?

The answer is no.

Microsoft aren't going to spend the money on coding up the thousands of variations they would have to do. It would cost more money than the Xbone will ever make.



It really wouldn't. For the same money you'd be able to buy a better product for your needs that did more in virtually every possible category.

and I dont see why the X1 could not record tv aswell, the box is certainly capable in recording whatever is on screen.
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I didnt know freeview/ freesat boxes did not have HDMI-CES, so my freeview/freesat dongle would not work anyway, but if it did it would be a good product for some people because it may reduce costs and shelf space.

for example, say joe blogs wants a next gen console to play next games and he would also like a freesat DVR. IF he were to buy a freesat HD dvr it would cost about £200-300 and a next gen system would cost £300-400, but a dongle would be cheaper because it would not need a hard drive or processing because those things would be in the x1, So joe could spend £50 on a dongle and £300-400 on an X1 and have the same functionality at about £200 less.
 
RayMaker said:
freeview and freesat being the most popular because they are free, I really dont see why the X1 could not offer the same service as the US market for freesat + freeview, it would just be a software change afterall.

Another thing tv companies could do in partnership with Microsoft is sell X1 companion boxes, where they would create a small box (apple tv size) that receives the signal and decodes it and the X1 does everything else. It would certainly be better then having twho big boxes under your tv.

or maybe third parties could create a freeview/freesat HD dongle which has sat cable inputs in it and a HDMI out for the X1. Having a small power brick sized dongle would be a lot better then having to have a separate cable box too, and it would really be like having one box for everything because the dongle would be hidden to the eye.

That would actually be a great product ''fressat/freeview HD dongle for xbox one''

and I dont see why the X1 could not record tv aswell, the box is certainly capable in recording whatever is on screen.
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Separate SKUs for one country, I don't think Microsoft will bother. Honestly, I don't think anyone would spend £300+ for a Freeview box (knowing that Microsoft has flat-out said that recording TV is out of the question). Plus we already know the communication tech is incompatible with the Sky boxes and work terribly badly on BTVision and Virgin Media boxes, they honestly might as well not bother beyond Sky Go again.
 
If this is retail then it doesn't surprise me. I was just in town about an hour ago I passed one of the GAME branches and I kid you not both windows had a full window size poster of the Xbone.

There was no hint of the PS4 and tucked away in the corner was a bit of advertising for the last of us. So no I aint surprised that the Xbone is beating the PS4.
 
RayMaker said:
for example, say joe blogs wants a next gen console to play next games and he would also like a freesat DVR. IF he were to buy a freesat HD dvr it would cost about £200-300 and a next gen system would cost £300-400, but a dongle would be cheaper because it would not need a hard drive or processing because those things would be in the x1, So joe could spend £50 on a dongle and £300-400 on an X1 and have the same functionality at about £200 less.
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Microsoft spent literally years trying to do this with Xbox Media Center - they threw hundreds of developers at it, an enthusiast community, and it was still unreliable and a massive money pit. They're just not going to do it.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
Final source responded. Surprised tbh.

Retailer D. Source is regional manager for SE/Lon. Says Xbox One pre-orders are ahead, but by a pretty small margin. He said that they are actually actively promoting Xbox One pre-orders in store at the moment so that will have skewed their figures towards it. The promotion ends just before E3. A different promotion will start after E3. Otherwise, pre-orders are very slow. He said he has been at the company for a very long time and this is definitely the slowest he has ever seen pre-orders for a Sony console and Xbox One is tracking behind 360 in their like for like comparison.
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It could also be that most of the games available in Q4 will be available on PS360 so why bother upgrading...
 
CharmingCharlie said:
If this is retail then it doesn't surprise me. I was just in town about an hour ago I passed one of the GAME branches and I kid you not both windows had a full window size poster of the Xbone.

There was no hint of the PS4 and tucked away in the corner was a bit of advertising for the last of us. So no I aint surprised that the Xbone is beating the PS4.
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Yeah. I was thinking that actually. As I pointed out, the Xbox One is the only console being advertised on Amazon. Despite that though, the PS4 is #1 on the bestsellers list.

I've just had a look on the GAME website and it's the same there too. There's a huge banner add for Xbox One on there. The Xbox One is at the top of the bestsellers list.

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Again, no PS4 advertisement.
http://www.game.co.uk/
 
Yeah a lot of guys I've heard have seen the words "xbox" and "call of duty" and decide they want one. They never cared about anything beyond that.
 
Dave Meltzer said:
Do you think Playstation is the choice of the dignified, sophisticated adult?
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Almost every sphere of life has a fully developed and more or less independent caricature caste system nowadays. Whatever can be used as a means of distinction will be used as one. It wouldn't surprise me if the choice of console, starting from the premise that one is preferred by the majority, marks a watershed in people's lives, classifies them as either Brahmans or untouchables.
 
operon said:
Aye why preorder in game when they might go belly up
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there is no way GAME go under this year. Two console launches, the only real high street option? MS and Sony will *give* them stock on sale or return if they have to, they both need high street presence for a decent launch.


as for POS, its difficult to put up big posters with three characters 'PS4'. Having a box really helps visualise what it is you're preordering.
 
This is bollocks.


The PS4 is not being advertisted on the sane level as the xbone yet.

coming 2013 is not the same as preorder now.

many retailers have only started taking preorders

Preorders dont mean shit anyway.
 
leadbelly said:
Yeah. I was thinking that actually. As I pointed out, the Xbox One is the only console being advertised on Amazon. Despite that though, the PS4 is #1 on the bestsellers list.

I've just had a look on the GAME website and it's the same there too. There's a huge banner add for Xbox One on there. The Xbox One is at the top of the bestsellers list.

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Again, no PS4 advertisement.
http://www.game.co.uk/
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Here in US gamestop website is same...only xbone on front page
 
I didn't even know you could pre-order the PS4 yet. I will as soon as it's officially available, I don't think these numbers mean much at all.
 
Firstly: no release date or cost and people are preordering? I'd better get my skates on if I want a PS4 launch night.

Secondly: has anyone foreseen a Wii situation where the casuals eat this up for non-gaming purposes and outside of COD/FIFA noone makes any money? Would be interesting if the core shun this thing games wise even if they pick one up.

I know even if I cave Ill be getting a PS4 for multiplats.
 
mrklaw said:
there is no way GAME go under this year. Two console launches, the only real high street option? MS and Sony will *give* them stock on sale or return if they have to, they both need high street presence for a decent launch.


as for POS, its difficult to put up big posters with three characters 'PS4'. Having a box really helps visualise what it is you're preordering.
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I lost my game here, was great for midnight launches. Tesco is too efficient I miss the 1 hour wait in the queue
 
Prine said:
I doubt that. Gamertags are being migrated over to Xbox One, it will have more popular shooters (Gears, Halo)a bunch of new shooters and XBL fee is insignificant to play with your existing mates who are also on XBL.
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you can't play against your existing mates unless they have an Xbox one (unless MS do a megaton and allow cross platform play between 360 and xbox one..)

Gamertags same - its start from zero for both consoles, and the best time to get people to switch. If your friends start buying PS4, you'll be tempted to buy a PS4.
 
CaptainTiptop said:
...No? Why's it gotta be one or the other?

Xbox is the more popular brand in the UK, especially with casuals and people who are really super into football. I wasn't saying one was better than the other.
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I think they're just upset of your use of the word "chav" since it's a stereotype/insult.

It's no different than labelling someone soccer mom in my opinion
 
CaptainTiptop said:
...No? Why's it gotta be one or the other?

Xbox is the more popular brand in the UK, especially with casuals and people who are really super into football. I wasn't saying one was better than the other.
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Then why even mention it. It's not like those aren't the best selling games on PS too.

Just for the sake of balance, contrary to what some people in this thread are suggesting the PS4 was available yesterday for pre-order on Amazon, while the Xbox One only became available this morning.
 
I am disappointed in the UK.

Buuut, Xbone did just get revealed last week, it's fresh in peoples minds.

Yes, Xbox 360 was popular in the UK, but there was a £200+ price difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 for a long time. I'm not sure that will be the case for Xbone and PS4.
 
Xun said:
Very worrying.

People will blindly support the system for some shitty football game.
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That's reading too much into it. Consider:

  • Pre-orders at this point will almost certainly turn out to be a fraction of actual sales - you're talking the minority with minds already made up at this point
  • Different sites have different number one - some its PS4 others Xbox. All that can be discerned is that both are seeing decent pre-orders at this point
  • The Xbox is being more pushed at this point despite PS4 being announced first - some places aren't even taking PS4 pre-orders yet for example vs taking Xbox pre-orders

If you factor in the actual reported shipped numbers for UK and the release dates then while the 360 has sold more it's much closer in UK than general perception - the PS3/360 spilt is very close time adjusted and only around 60/40 without a time adjustment from the last figures I saw.

Bottom line both consoles will see decent pre-orders from the respective fan bases and unless either has a terrible reception they'll both sell well in UK (and probably a more even split than PS3/360 due to lack of time advantage for Xbox this time).

This type of "news" is simply the usual anything to fill pages stuff that tells you very little vs the millions each console will sell over time vs the relatively small (in ratio) pre-orders.

Heck, if you bring in some of the demographic info then you could easily surmise 360 demographic is probably more likely to pre-order too vs PS3 demographic in UK (which skews older from last articles I saw).

People tend to read waaay too much into this kind of tidbit of information in isolation.
 
mrklaw said:
you can't play against your existing mates unless they have an Xbox one (unless MS do a megaton and allow cross platform play between 360 and xbox one..)

Gamertags same - its start from zero for both consoles, and the best time to get people to switch. If your friends start buying PS4, you'll be tempted to buy a PS4.
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That's if your friends buy a PS4 out of the regular party that I play with 2 being my brothers and others friends only one is planning on buying a PS4 and I never play online with him
 
Must admit reading the comments for the PS4 is quite funny on amazon. Anyway not sure why anyone would spend £20 deposit on either off the consoles at the moment when so much is still unknown about them. I dont think much if any UK mainstream press has mentioned much about the used games/online only stuff even if it comes to nothing.
 
To be honest this is reaching the point where I imagine more people have posted in this thread than have pre-ordered both consoles put together in the UK.

Also worth bearing in mind that pre-orders for all consoles tend to be inflated by scalpers as most consoles tend to have quite attractive resale values for the first few days, especially if you're willing to ship them to different territories where the release hasn't happened yet.
 
Xbox One will still do well in EU and US, as far as US probably better then the PS4. Especially after PS4 is eventually shown to share similar DRM as Xbox One. I have absolutely zero faith in consumers to stand up for their consumer rights and give up all their ownership instead of playing Shooting Game 14 or Madden 47. I'm more interested in the actual fallout of this new system and consumers eventual further regression from game buying day one and the contraction of the industry.

It will happen, at this point there is absolutely nothing that will get the industry heads to start fixing their shit short of another crash. So i'm all for this news, let these consoles DRM the shit out of people, let them be always online. Raise those prices to $70, milk the shit of the consumers with dlc, bring it on. Lets get this train going faster so it can go off the rails quicker and we can get to the part where they are finally forced to start with the introspection and get their shit together.
 
Do they reallt have pre-orders set up this earlier before any price is set? I figure it will be a few months before we get proper pre-ordering here.
 
If what happened in February didn't mark a trend according to everyone, nor should this.

Wait until all the cards are on the table on June 11th and let's see then.

I don't care if XBone sells 5 trillion if things stay the way they are in the rumours it's not the console for me :p
 
How long have Amazon UK been taking pre orders? I'm on the mailing list for when they start to take pre orders, and haven't had an email off them. Anyway just ordered a PS4.
 
Take this with a laaaarge pinch of salt but Amazon UK have the PS4 as no 1 bestseller in their pc and videogames category. That said they don't have any Xbox One except from a Amazon retailer called Clearance Game Deals who only have 3 left.
Like I said, pinch of salt and stuff but, could anything be inferred from this?
 
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