Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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Cersei insisted that Lancel be Robert's squire. Then, during the hunt, he gave Robert exceptionally strong wine to dull his senses so Robert would do something reckless and dangerous. Ultimately, he got himself killed because of that.
This, although I thought there was strong suspicion something was put into the wine (suspicion on Ned's part anyways.) I can't be sure though. Either way, Cersei is responsible.
 
The wine only slowed him down. Ned's kindness killed him.

I disagree. I actually think she had it planned before Ned confronted her. I've always thought this scene was the moment she decided she wasn't putting up with him anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh3iLEMG-cA

"How long can hate hold a thing together?"
"17 years is quite a long time."
On first watch, that sounded to me like she's saying "hate has held it together for 17 years," but now I hear it as her saying that this year is the last year it will. Time is up.

She seems willing to be civil with him but when she asks what he wants and he just holds up the wine, she looks extremely annoyed.

"It doesn't make me feel anything."
She is cold now, and finally has what she needed to go through with the plan. She finally truly does not care and hates him.

This was before Ned figured out the incest. He doesn't until next episode. But my reasons are circumstantial I guess.
 
I'm probably the last person in the world to notice, but during my rewatch of Season 1 I realized that during the intro each of the cast members has the sigil of the house of the character they play next to their names. It only took me 2 years :P
 
I'm probably the last person in the world to notice, but during my rewatch of Season 1 I realized that during the intro each of the cast members has the sigil of the house of the character they play next to their names. It only took me 2 years :P
I didn't realize that they kept changing the intro depending on where the story was until it was pointed out to me this season.
 
I'm probably the last person in the world to notice, but during my rewatch of Season 1 I realized that during the intro each of the cast members has the sigil of the house of the character they play next to their names. It only took me 2 years :P

And now I feel dumb for having never noticed this. lol
 
I didn't realize that they kept changing the intro depending on where the story was until it was pointed out to me this season.

They actually fell down on this a couple of times here recently.

I did like that Winterfell was shown smoking after it was sacked and that the tree with all the pink leaves looked like the same tree Fat Sam ran into with all the ravens and the White Walker, but that doesn't make sense given that they're supposedly north of t'Wall.
 
I did like that Winterfell was shown smoking after it was sacked and that the tree with all the pink leaves looked like the same tree Fat Sam ran into with all the ravens and the White Walker, but that doesn't make sense given that they're supposedly north of t'Wall.

Those are different trees but both with faces carved in.

From the HBO site (but I'll spoiler it just to be sure)
The Children of the Forest were the first known inhabitants of Westeros. Little is known of them, but lore describes them as small, druidic and magical creatures. They worshiped the gods of nature and are believed to have carved faces in the weirwood trees found across the continent.
 
I disagree. I actually think she had it planned before Ned confronted her. I've always thought this scene was the moment she decided she wasn't putting up with him anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh3iLEMG-cA

"How long can hate hold a thing together?"
"17 years is quite a long time."
On first watch, that sounded to me like she's saying "hate has held it together for 17 years," but now I hear it as her saying that this year is the last year it will. Time is up.

She seems willing to be civil with him but when she asks what he wants and he just holds up the wine, she looks extremely annoyed.

"It doesn't make me feel anything."
She is cold now, and finally has what she needed to go through with the plan. She finally truly does not care and hates him.

This was before Ned figured out the incest. He doesn't until next episode. But my reasons are circumstantial I guess.

Such a great scene.
 
I disagree. I actually think she had it planned before Ned confronted her. I've always thought this scene was the moment she decided she wasn't putting up with him anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh3iLEMG-cA

Fucking great scene. Again, I always forget how rapidly changes happened in the seven kingdoms. 17 Targaryen kings over the course of 283 years, all undone by Roberts war, which in turn totally splintered Westeros. The way politics are, the rebellions, and the wars, you could say nobody was King of Westeros after the mad king fell. Someone just happened to sit on the iron throne and call themselves that.
 
Fucking great scene. Again, I always forget how rapidly changes happened in the seven kingdoms. 17 Targaryen kings over the course of 283 years, all undone by Roberts war, which in turn totally splintered Westeros. The way politics are, the rebellions, and the wars, you could say nobody was King of Westeros after the mad king fell. Someone just happened to sit on the iron throne and call themselves that.

Robert's reign was relatively peaceful, despite him being a poor king; he reigned for nearly 20 years after all. The realm had one war (the Greyjoy Rebellion) but overall his succession went smoothly. Jon Arryn's murder and the Lannister betrayal is what ended his reign, although you could also argue Ned ended it too by not informing Robert ASAP. If he had seized Cersei and her children, as Renly suggested, perhaps things would have turned out better.
 
Robert's reign was relatively peaceful, despite him being a poor king; he reigned for nearly 20 decades after all. The realm had one war (the Greyjoy Rebellion) but overall his succession went smoothly. Jon Arryn's murder and the Lannister betrayal is what ended his reign, although you could also argue Ned ended it too by not informing Robert ASAP. If he had seized Cersei and her children, as Renly suggested, perhaps things would have turned out better.

Catelyn taking Tyrion didn't help much, either.
 
Maybe it's because dragons are usually depicted as being borderline immortal in most fantasy works, but 280 years doesn't seem like a *huge* amount of time for the Targaerian dynasty. I expected them to be much older, specially after hearing about how they kept the skeletons of all their dragons. Maybe GOT's dragons age in dog years, eh.
 
It sounds like all the dragons that were born after they landed in westeros got smaller and more frail. Maybe the first dragons were really old, but after they died, the dragons only lived like 50 years. Then 40, etc. Because they had them when they conquered. So maybe those dragons were the old, massive, crazy ones.
 
Well, there seems to have been only 3 OG dragons left from when the Targaryens came over to Westeros from Valyria... so maybe all the inbreeding between the same 3 made the later generations smaller, weaker, and perish sooner. lol
 
I just realized Jaime said that Pycele told the Mad King he could trust the Lannisters...because he was in the Lannisters' back pocket even then. Maybe that's when it started. I can just see Tywin sending him a letter saying "Alright dude look this is what we're going to do. I'm going to ride to King's Landing and you're going to vouch for me. Omg it's going to be so cool."

Derp
 
Maybe it's because dragons are usually depicted as being borderline immortal in most fantasy works, but 280 years doesn't seem like a *huge* amount of time for the Targaerian dynasty. I expected them to be much older, specially after hearing about how they kept the skeletons of all their dragons. Maybe GOT's dragons age in dog years, eh.

Aegon the Conqueror's largest dragon, Balerion, lived about 200 years. The Targaryens could have ruled Westeros for a lot longer if they had arrived earlier but they remained in Valyria, alongside the other great houses who had dragons too, until the events leading up to the Doom.

The number of dragons had dwindled by that time but Aegon had enough (three) to take over six of the seven kingdoms of Westeros without any trouble.
 
Is it weird that I find the history of Westeros almost more entertaining then what's going on currently?

Just so much lore and mystery from long ago.
 
At this point should it just be put in the OP that book readers are not allowed to post? I know not all of them are bad or cause problems but at least a few times a week something happens with book readers in this thread dealing with spoilers.

Their are 2 other threads book readers can post in I'd think it would not be a big deal to leave this thread as non book readers only.
 
Is it weird that I find the history of Westeros almost more entertaining then what's going on currently?

Just so much lore and mystery from long ago.

Be careful looking up info on it I can't imagine searching for history info without bumbling into rather serious spoilers.
 
Be careful looking up info on it I can't imagine searching for history info without bumbling into rather serious spoilers.

Oh not planning to look up anything. I base my information on what I read in this thread plus what is on the extras on the blu-rays.
 
All of the interesting lore talk reminds me of the recent SNL with Zach Galifinakus(?) on a GoT game show in which he knows everything but his questions, unfairly, always ended up being about real world politics and geography instead of GoT's. Jaime Lannister showed up as well haha.
 
At this point should it just be put in the OP that book readers are not allowed to post? I know not all of them are bad or cause problems but at least a few times a week something happens with book readers in this thread dealing with spoilers.

Their are 2 other threads book readers can post in I'd think it would not be a big deal to leave this thread as non book readers only.

The mods are working on it. Basically, I only post to clarify stuff or discuss general lore (much of which is already on the Blu Rays). As with S1 and S2, people can PM me for questions or clarification that might be considered spoiler info; but as always, I will not mention anything that hasn't happened in later books.
 
The mods are working on it. Basically, I only post to clarify stuff or discuss general lore (much of which is already on the Blu Rays). As with S1 and S2, people can PM me for questions or clarification that might be considered spoiler info; but as always, I will not mention anything that hasn't happened in later books.

I only post to comment on funny gifs, or try to steer the conversation away from possible spoilers and let people know they are edging in that direction.

But yeah, in the end it might be better to just completely ban book readers from the thread.
 
I enjoy the more goofy talk in here. Like the fake synopsis for ep 9 we did on sunday when no ep aired. I enjoyed thinking of Voltron taking out Kings Landing. Or yesterdays talk about how awesome Robert was.

I just don't participate is speculation so as not to let something slip.
 
I enjoy the more goofy talk in here. Like the fake synopsis for ep 9 we did on sunday when no ep aired. I enjoyed thinking of Voltron taking out Kings Landing. Or yesterdays talk about how awesome Robert was.

I just don't participate is speculation so as not to let something slip.

I loved reading the fake synopsis, it helped fill the void left by all my shows being off air :(
 
But yeah, in the end it might be better to just completely ban book readers from the thread.

This does nothing.

It does not eliminate:

  • Book readers posing as non book readers
  • Drive by spoilers

Which as far as I can tell accounts for nearly 100% of the spoilers I've seen posted here. So what's the point?
 
This does nothing.

It does not eliminate:

  • Book readers posing as non book readers
  • Drive by spoilers

Which as far as I can tell accounts for nearly 100% of the spoilers I've seen posted here. So what's the point?

To be fair, there have been several instances of people posting to laugh at speculation, confirm/deny speculation, and 'clarify' plot points that haven't been clarified yet in the show as well.
 
The mods are working on it. Basically, I only post to clarify stuff or discuss general lore (much of which is already on the Blu Rays). As with S1 and S2, people can PM me for questions or clarification that might be considered spoiler info; but as always, I will not mention anything that hasn't happened in later books.

That cool but volunteer bookreaders should just have their name in the OP saying they are available for PM's and just leave this thread clear of any posts by book readers.

I think book readers potentially spoiling it is alot worse and more of a risk then telling book readers to post in the other 2 threads instead.
 
To be fair, there have been several instances of people posting to laugh at speculation, confirm/deny speculation, and 'clarify' plot points that haven't been clarified yet in the show as well.
Those have been fairly minor compared to what gregor talked about, though, no?
 
That cool but volunteer bookreaders should just have their name in the OP saying they are available for PM's and just leave this thread clear of any posts by book readers.

I think book readers potentially spoiling it is alot worse and more of a risk then telling book readers to post in the other 2 threads instead.

I would love to have my name in the OP of a huge thread. Can I volunteer?
 
Exactly. I've seen bombs dropped in here, some fake and some not, and none if it could have been solved by banning book readers.


Is their an insta ban policy on posting spoilers in this thread? I'd also say that is needed as well if it is not.

Seems the OP was already updated with this about 10 days ago


Originally Posted by ThoseDeafMutes:
Since we have other threads for the show specifically for people who have read the series, I'd like to ask that they refrain from posting in this thread. I don't believe anybody has been deliberately posting spoilers under the guise of working things out, but it can be easy to forget where you learned a specific bit of information, especially if you read it a long time ago or started reading just after you got into the series. Then again, maybe some people are doing it deliberately. Please be considerate.
 
Is their an insta ban policy on posting spoilers in this thread? I'd also say that is needed as well if it is not.

Yes there is. And I believe it doesn't matter if they are real or fake spoilers. If you post them as truth, you will be banned.

Edit: Which is an awesome policy, since someone getting banned for posting something doesn't confirm it's a spoiler. Win/win
 
Yes there is. And I believe it doesn't matter if they are real or fake spoilers. If you post them as truth, you will be banned.


Cool, between the update from the OP and insta ban on spoilers or even pretend spoilers it should be pretty clear what the intention of this thread is and who should and should not post here.
 
Book readers in this thread are awesome as long as they-

a)Don't talk about plot speculation or 'clarify' things at all.

and

b)Don't moan about how much better the books are or keep saying 'but this was different in the books!'

They can also bring the funny/non-spoilery jokes and gifs etc from more spoilery places like the other threads that we might otherwise miss. Just as long as the stick to point a) completely they're fine.
 
You fools! Kick out the book readers and you're more susceptible to people pretending to be non-book readers spoiling shit.

Anyway, on a serious note, I hope we don't kick out anybody out of threads just because a few of us are bit too sensitive. I've yet to be spoiled and I've been reading this thread pretty often. Safest place on the web for GoT.
 
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