Morrigan Stark
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...Bye?Bye.
Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Oxigen_Waste
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Didn't you say we were done?
I would say he does all this to maintain his family's legacy. Not his own.
JCreasy
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"ARIA CLAP BACK, CLAP BACK!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Oxigen_Waste
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Exactly.
Chie Satonaka
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I've been thinking about this.
I wonder what Tywin would think if he knew that Arya Stark was his cup bearer at one time.
I wonder how he'd react knowing that information right before Arya murdered him.
Save us, Arya.
You stop that.
That still doesn't justify his actions or make him any less heinous for engaging in them.
If my youngest brother is getting teased at school and making our family name look like a bunch of pussies that doesn't mean I'm justified in torturing his bullies and having their families murdered.
I'm just sayin. The guy(Tywin) can be a badass in some scenarios but I'm not about to let that override the fact the guy is pretty despicable.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Oh, that makes it okay then. Because nothing is more selfless than protecting the pride of the family name whilst disregarding its members' well-being.
Huh?
Oxigen_Waste
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You know what, considering the speed at which time moves and characters die, I think by the time Arya becomes the character she's shaping up to be, none of the characters that are relevant now will even be alive.
I can imagine her fighting side by side with Jaime, her brothers (Jon and Bran), Dany and part of her entourage (some are bound to die) to fight off the White Walkers, but sadly I don't think she'll be doing much fighting against the current antagonists.
I have the first 3 books, gifted to me by my step father... haven't the nerve to read them. I love this place too much!
Candeldandel
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Damn.
Well, the entire internet exploding with such a huge reaction sure did clue me in that something huge was imminent for this episode, and I think that might've dampened the impact for me a bit :\ I very much expected that Frey would get his revenge. To be honest, I thought that the bread & salt at the beginning was gonna be poisoned and that would be what killed everyone, lol. Silly me. Rob was just too damn happy with his pretty new bride; I'm surprised she lasted as long as she did! But I sure didn't expect they would just up and kill EVERYONE. Even Grey Wind! Jesus Christ.
Well, the entire internet exploding with such a huge reaction sure did clue me in that something huge was imminent for this episode, and I think that might've dampened the impact for me a bit :\ I very much expected that Frey would get his revenge. To be honest, I thought that the bread & salt at the beginning was gonna be poisoned and that would be what killed everyone, lol. Silly me. Rob was just too damn happy with his pretty new bride; I'm surprised she lasted as long as she did! But I sure didn't expect they would just up and kill EVERYONE. Even Grey Wind! Jesus Christ.
Pixel Pete
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In memory of reading the book - lest we forget (episode nine made sure we didn't) I made this bad gif:
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Agree. I mean, why are we reluctant to call him evil like this would somehow mean that he is less of a dimensional character? Especially so in the tv show, where the entire cinematography works for this mean. I don't know about the literary character, but the one on the screen is constructed to be perceived as evil. Which just means that he is not a saint; not that he is a sociopath, or Hitler.
Unless the definition of evil being used here is very narrow (to the point that there would be barely any evil people in the real world, and evil people are just fictional constructs), then Tywin is an evil man (just like walter white). But we can still understand their cause, and this evilness is just another tool that helps them to protect their families.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think there wasn't any way to know it was an episode that would be spoiled/reacted to on practically every social outlet. I haven't seen practically any reaction I didn't go looking for at all this season until yesterday.
You can argue that due to this, he has most likely saved thousands of people from dyeing.
What he did, maybe not his intention, was for the good of the realm as well in a whole, but not so good for Stark family.
Candeldandel
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My friend was reading tweets from this pretty hilarious selection after we'd finished the episode
100+ Best Tweets about last night's Game of Thrones
Apologies if it's already been posted! There're some really, really good ones in there, lol
100+ Best Tweets about last night's Game of Thrones
Apologies if it's already been posted! There're some really, really good ones in there, lol
Alright I'll budge, I have to read the books now... But I have to invest in a nice set with good covers and not the typical set you can find anywhere now like this:
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Looking for something else (not the Sean Bean one also)
Any recommendations?
e/ oops I thought this was the tagged spoiler thread - gonna cross post
Looking for something else (not the Sean Bean one also)
Any recommendations?
e/ oops I thought this was the tagged spoiler thread - gonna cross post
Dany is not much different from Stannis or Robb.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
mind games, I tell ya. this one is up to stir some shit up.
The Culture Vulture
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As a book reader I don't usually look at this thread but I was curious on your guys' take/reaction to the RW so I went back to read the thread at the time the episode was airing.
WTF at the book readers coming in and doing the told you so dance? So immature I was embarrased for them. I was curious enough to check the thread but to post in real time while you guys were watching and taking it in for the first time was disgusting.
WTF at the book readers coming in and doing the told you so dance? So immature I was embarrased for them. I was curious enough to check the thread but to post in real time while you guys were watching and taking it in for the first time was disgusting.
Sanctuary
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That's a lot of wool and dye saved I'd say!
NathanMcMahon
Banned
was about to post this. so weirdly entrancing
shanshan310
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Can I come in and do the told you so dance having not read up to that point in the book? It was obvious Robb's marriage was going to come back to bite him, and man, going to the twins and expecting everything to be fine? Such a bad move.
Sanctuary
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Really? So, as long as you only give the orders, or freely allow those under your command to do so, and you aren't actually doing the rape, torture or murder yourself, then it's not really evil? If you look at him through today's society, he was a really bad person. But if you look at him through his era, he's rather typical for a tyrant. Most nations had their origins through war and people similar to him, so it's not like he'd be considered worse than most conquerors of the past.
Amey
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Yup. Viserys was pretty evil IMO.
VISERYS: We go home with an army. With Khal Drogo's army. I would let his whole tribe fuck you - all forty thousand men - and their horses too if that's what it took.
Eh. Viserys and his dad were both pretty fucked up. Viserys just had no power to exercise it.
I don't think Tywin is evil. Just obsessed with status and pride. He hasn't done anything too bad. Arranged some marriages his kids don't want, fought a good fight against the Starks (what's he supposed to do say "Sorry about your pops, its cool if you want to leave the Seven Kingdoms"?) and saved his families life. Most parents in the show are pretty similar in their goals.
Viserys seems more of a sociopath to me, but from what others say of the mad king's reign, especially towards the end, he was clearly just insane.
Amey
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To be fair we're not sure yet if Lannister ordered for them to be killed brutally. Lets wait for that last episode. I've a feeling Lannister ordered the hit but it was Frey & Bolton's plan how it actually went down.
Vulcano's assistant
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Well these are also sociopaths (more or less all with antisocial personality disorder) imo. I'm not sure if "evil" is a thing that actually exists, if we are saying that someone evil has to be a sociopath, then yeah, Tywin is not evil.
Morrigan Stark
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Yeah, having Tyrion's wife gang raped saved thousands of people from dying...!
...Seriously, what?
Not much worse than some of the things Robert did to get the Iron Throne in the first place. It's a land where the strongest family gets everything and the weak get wiped form the face of the Earth. It's a dirty game, you have to play dirty to win it.
Sanctuary
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Check this out: http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lawful_Evil?pagefrom=Peter+Creedy#mw-pages
Scroll down to the "T" section.
Some still have a morale code, even in war. You don't have to slaughter thousands of people just to show your might and because you can.
Scroll down to the "T" section.
Some still have a morale code, even in war. You don't have to slaughter thousands of people just to show your might and because you can.
Hot Coldman
Banned
OK, OK. Maybe I over-exaggerated. But I refuse to consider him a villain by any means.
Morrigan Stark
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You forgot organizing gang rape and wiping out an entire family. And unleashing Gregor Clegane on the Riverlands.
But yeah that's "nothing too bad".
You kind of do in the GoT universe. Anyone who shows any sense of weakness gets ruined.
As far as morals go, Robert's cool with murdering babies. Stannis goes around kinslaying, the Nights Watch, defenders of the Realm and all that is good, are bunch of rapists and murderers.
Robert tried to wipe out a whole family. Bandits would have sprung up around the Riverlands anyway. May as well cause chaos for the advancement of his army's cause. I'll give you the gang rape, he just hates Tyrion.
Hot Coldman
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I really hope Jaimie and Roose meet again, just so Jaimie can call him a Kingslayer. 
(Assuming word gets out about exactly what conspired, of course.)
(Assuming word gets out about exactly what conspired, of course.)
The Dutch Slayer
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Just got up to date on the new ep, My only 2 reactions to this:
Well is there really anything classified as 'evil', that you couldn't make an argument for mental illness? Many killers, murderers, terrorists, sociopaths are classified with certain disorders such as antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder etc. Many suffer psychotic episodes, suffer from traits like narcissism etc.
Is Tywin insane? No. Is Tywin a murderer? No. Is Tywin smart and capable? Yes. Is Tywin cruel? Yes. Did Tywin orchestrate the deaths of his enemies? Yes. Would Robb and the Starks have done something similar if they could? Of course.
The more and more I think, there is no real good and evil anymore. Robert was a man who committed his own Rains of Castamere against the Targaeryans. And yet you'd never think of him in the same vein as Tywin. And yet Robert was a man who slept around, had numerous bastards, slapped his wife around, etc. Was he evil?
Another example, Ned Stark beheads a kid of the nights watch running for his life from the White Walkers because that's the law of the land and what he believes is right. Theon beheads Ser Roderick who who spits on him and disrespects him and pays the iron price under the laws Theon believes.
Is Tywin insane? No. Is Tywin a murderer? No. Is Tywin smart and capable? Yes. Is Tywin cruel? Yes. Did Tywin orchestrate the deaths of his enemies? Yes. Would Robb and the Starks have done something similar if they could? Of course.
The more and more I think, there is no real good and evil anymore. Robert was a man who committed his own Rains of Castamere against the Targaeryans. And yet you'd never think of him in the same vein as Tywin. And yet Robert was a man who slept around, had numerous bastards, slapped his wife around, etc. Was he evil?
Another example, Ned Stark beheads a kid of the nights watch running for his life from the White Walkers because that's the law of the land and what he believes is right. Theon beheads Ser Roderick who who spits on him and disrespects him and pays the iron price under the laws Theon believes.
It doesn't really have the same effect, since Roose Bolton is not part of a Kingsguard.I really hope Jaimie and Roose meet again, just so Jaimie can call him a Kingslayer.
(Assuming word gets out about exactly what conspired, of course.)
Hot Coldman
Banned
I knooooow, but still.
Amey
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It wasn't actually. As per the show Tyrion's wife was a prostitute and she was in on Jamie & Tywins plan. Also She was paid well while Tyrion was made to watch.
Just because you're given money and a prostitute doesn't me it still isn't a gang rape.
I honestly don't remember the specifics of this, but if she indeed accepted money to have sex with a bunch of guys under the guise of rape so Tywin could spite Tyrion, it's not rape. Just like rape porn isn't rape, and rape fantasies between spouses aren't rape. It's rape if she was unwilling or did not expect it. If so, paying her after that still makes it rape.
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