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Another fun ride on the rumor mill. Guess which one is the Sony fan here?[/QUOTE]

All those spec rumors did come through so...

 

[Phonomezer]

Did you post in the Sony thread that he also said he heard the same thing about the PS4?

 

[Klocker]

Well, I think it's 1.6 billion transistors (quick guess), I haven't bothered to look it up or anything. So, no doubt without ESRAM you could have more CUs, but then you'd have a much too powerful GPU that has far more power than it has available bandwidth to properly utilize, and the last thing you want is a badly balanced GPU. For all the kicks in the ass that Microsoft are getting for going with the design that they have, they have an incredibly well balanced GPU that, if you compare to the most similar GPUs on the PC, can be said to have quite a bit more bandwidth than it necessarily needs.

So, under the scenarios that Microsoft were in, their choice was a much more powerful GPU whose power largely goes wasted because it doesn't have nearly enough bandwidth to feed all the execution resources, or they go for something a bit more conservative that they can much better supply with the bandwidth it needs, can ensure much greater efficiency from, and has really good, much more manageable TDP levels. I've said it before, but everybody is apparently going to be afraid of this system until they see some games that give them less of a reason to doubt the system's power, and I feel pretty strongly that we will see such games. Once people see those one or two games that gives them a favorable idea of what the system is capable of, pretty soon afterwards the power discussion will be for anyone still somehow interested in keeping score, but the games will command more of the attention.

should be required reading.... it is more powerful than the raw numbers suggest when it comes to games... this is Xbox 1.5 all over again and the Pwah of the cell... I was here for all that and looked how that turned out...


Not saying there isn't a difference this time as the numbers are easier to get the power from but as you say here, the efficiency of the system if managed well can be just as good to at worst be 45fps to 60 or 900P to 1080p

 

[statham]

Well, I think it's 1.6 billion transistors (quick guess), I haven't bothered to look it up or anything. So, no doubt without ESRAM you could have more CUs, but then you'd have a much too powerful GPU that has far more power than it has available bandwidth to properly utilize, and the last thing you want is a badly balanced GPU. For all the kicks in the ass that Microsoft are getting for going with the design that they have, they have an incredibly well balanced GPU that, if you compare to the most similar GPUs on the PC, can be said to have quite a bit more bandwidth than it necessarily needs.

So, under the scenarios that Microsoft were in, their choice was a much more powerful GPU whose power largely goes wasted because it doesn't have nearly enough bandwidth to feed all the execution resources, or they go for something a bit more conservative that they can much better supply with the bandwidth it needs, can ensure much greater efficiency from, and has really good, much more manageable TDP levels. I've said it before, but everybody is apparently going to be afraid of this system until they see some games that give them less of a reason to doubt the system's power, and I feel pretty strongly that we will see such games. Once people see those one or two games that gives them a favorable idea of what the system is capable of, pretty soon afterwards the power discussion will be for anyone still somehow interested in keeping score, but the games will command more of the attention.

thanks for that.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

That's the Halo game for this year, so that's a yes.

Another game to cross off the 15 exclusives.

Forza
Halo
Quantum Break
Ryse

constants
and
variables

11 more

Don't think so
Still 12 left i would say

 

[clav]

So now we can report FUD on GAF?

Sweet.

 

[Angelus Errare]

They're all making an appearance now

lmao this is amazing.

 

[Karma]

thuway has a mixed track record. The other guy seems convinced, though I have no idea who he is. It's amazing how much the GDDR5 gamble is paying off. ESRAM is also what some people suggest accounts for the CU disparity.

Thuway has been right once that I could find. And if I remember correctly, didn't he troll the Xbox a lot a few years ago? Look it up.

Doesn't matter to me. Not posting here anymore. Mods do nothing to stop the trolling of all things Xbox. It just isn't worth it here anymore.

 

[R3TRO]

Getting too intense around here yeesh, one of those times in happy that I'm buying all the consoles.

 

[m23]

They're all making an appearance now

I lol'd.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Well, I think it's 1.6 billion transistors (quick guess), I haven't bothered to look it up or anything. So, no doubt without ESRAM you could have more CUs, but then you'd have a much too powerful GPU that has far more power than it has available bandwidth to properly utilize, and the last thing you want is a badly balanced GPU. For all the kicks in the ass that Microsoft are getting for going with the design that they have, they have an incredibly well balanced GPU that, if you compare to the most similar GPUs on the PC, can be said to have quite a bit more bandwidth than it necessarily needs.

But that's assuming all else remains unchanged. Say they didn't go the ESRAM route, they would surely address other bottlenecks that would arise from an increase in GPU power. It's not as if Sony's box is throwing away ~600 GFLOPS of processing power to where the difference is negligible.

I've said it before, but everybody is apparently going to be afraid of this system until they see some games that give them less of a reason to doubt the system's power, and I feel pretty strongly that we will see such games. Once people see those one or two games that gives them a favorable idea of what the system is capable of, pretty soon afterwards the power discussion will be for anyone still somehow interested in keeping score, but the games will command more of the attention.

There is where I agree. I was/am a bit acrimonious at the realization that these boxes are so moderately spec'd. Then I find myself impressed with how good some console titles look 7 years later. Which is where I promptly tell myself to STFU. I have no doubt that I will be impressed by some of the visuals on Xbone. I think most are still waiting on that "Gears of War" type game that brings everyone into the next-gen and that very well could be MSFT title.

 

[thuway]

Have you visited Xbox One threads lately???? 0_o for every intelligent post there are 5 lol kinect, TVTVTVTV blah blah posts.

Did you see the Microsoft Press Event for the Xbox One? For every minute of gameplay there was 30 minutes of TV, Sports, and Casual bullshittery.

 

[Dosia]

Did you see the Microsoft Press Event for the Xbox One? For every minute of gameplay there was 30 minutes of TV, Sports, and Casual bullshittery.

And what did they say before, during, and after? e3 =games.

 

[Dai101]

Did you see the Microsoft Press Event for the Xbox One? For every minute of gameplay there was 30 minutes of TV, Sports, and Casual bullshittery.

Did you heard that they said they only will focus in the console and in the E3 they will talk all about GAMES?

 

[thuway]

Did you heard that they said they only will focus in the console and in the E3 they will talk all about GAMES?

I'm excited and I eagerly anticipate what they will show, but you cannot blame consumer frustration with what they saw. It will haunt them until proven other wise.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Did you see the Microsoft Press Event for the Xbox One? For every minute of gameplay there was 30 minutes of TV, Sports, and Casual bullshittery.

And?

We absolutely knew this from the get go too...

If you know fire is going to burn why would you complain when you get burnt when you decided to ignore the fact that it was going to burn you in the first place?

E3 has always been for the games and they said this before the reveal.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Quantum Break in 5 days tho

Seriously, I'm incredibly excited about this game.

But that's assuming all else remains unchanged. Say they didn't go the ESRAM route, they would surely address other bottlenecks that would arise from an increase in GPU power. It's not as if Sony's box is throwing away ~600 GFLOPS of processing power to where the difference is negligible.

Well, I think that's potentially more expensive to do once they decided to go with 8GB of DDR3, because I think it would require them to increase the memory bus width up to 384-bit from what I think is the current 256-bit. And all the proper information escapes me at the moment, but I suspect even that wouldn't be nearly enough to do what the ESRAM is doing for the system. I think it makes sense and that it's also helpful that the ESRAM's bandwidth belongs strictly to the GPU and isn't being contended for by the CPU as is the case with the DDR3.

should be required reading.... it is more powerful than the raw numbers suggest when it comes to games... this is Xbox 1.5 all over again and the Pwah of the cell... I was here for all that and looked how that turned out...


Not saying there isn't a difference this time as the numbers are easier to get the power from but as you say here, the efficiency of the system if managed well can be just as good to at worst be 45fps to 60 or 900P to 1080p

If developers don't care about being called out for not being 1080p, which I honestly don't think they should, a resolution decrease to 900p is all it would take to provide the Xbox One the extra space it needs to reach even higher performance levels, and this still doesn't account for the fact that the One has access to quite a bit more bandwidth than identical looking GPUs in the 7770 and the Radeon 7790, so there's also a pretty good chance that we may simply not be giving enough credit to the One GPU's ability to get it done at 1080p. If we recall, quite a few early 360 titles didn't exactly start off at a proper 720p, either, and this was also true for some major releases 2 or even 3 years into the system's life.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Well, I think it's 1.6 billion transistors (quick guess), I haven't bothered to look it up or anything. So, no doubt without ESRAM you could have more CUs, but then you'd have a much too powerful GPU that has far more power than it has available bandwidth to properly utilize, and the last thing you want is a badly balanced GPU. For all the kicks in the ass that Microsoft are getting for going with the design that they have, they have an incredibly well balanced GPU that, if you compare to the most similar GPUs on the PC, can be said to have quite a bit more bandwidth than it necessarily needs.

So, under the scenarios that Microsoft were in, their choice was a much more powerful GPU whose power largely goes wasted because it doesn't have nearly enough bandwidth to feed all the execution resources, or they go for something a bit more conservative that they can much better supply with the bandwidth it needs, can ensure much greater efficiency from, and has really good, much more manageable TDP levels. I've said it before, but everybody is apparently going to be afraid of this system until they see some games that give them less of a reason to doubt the system's power, and I feel pretty strongly that we will see such games. Once people see those one or two games that gives them a favorable idea of what the system is capable of, pretty soon afterwards the power discussion will be for anyone still somehow interested in keeping score, but the games will command more of the attention.

I want 1080p in most games, the same for PS4. And I don't want "60fps->30fps" ports, or "1080p->720p" ports.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Fuck it, I'm on the hype train.


WOO WOO

 

[oVerde]

Did you see the Microsoft Press Event for the Xbox One? For every minute of gameplay there was 30 minutes of TV, Sports, and Casual bullshittery.

Haven't you heard that there would be no games at the reveal?

 

[gillFTR]

And?

We absolutely knew this from the get go too...

If you know fire is going to burn why would you complain when you get burnt when you decide the ignore the fact that it was going to burn you in the first place?

E3 has always been for the games and they said this before the reveal.

Not really they also said there would be games. With that being said people have the right to be dissatisfied when they got CG and nothing running on the XBONE.

 

[abadguy]

Should really get on the Sony payroll because actively trying to downplay the Xbox One for nothing as tirelessly as he has is criminal.

You mean he's not on Sony's payroll? What does he get out of it then? Surely Sony sends him a gift card on holidays, something?

 

[FordGTGuy]

Not really they also said there would be games. With that being said people have the right to be dissatisfied when they got CG and nothing running on the XBONE.

What are you talking about we have a verbal record of a Microsoft executive saying E3 was going to be for their games and the reveal is going to be focused on Hardware.

http://majornelson.com/cast/2013/05...industry-numbers-and-star-trek-into-darkness/

What CG? It's already confirmed that Forza 5 wasn't CG.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

You mean he's not on Sony's payroll? What does he get out of it then? Surely Sony sends him a gift card on holidays, something?

I'm sure PlayStation Underground sends him a mass produced certificate for being a dedicated drone

 

[rdrr gnr]

And what did they say before, during, and after? e3 =games.

Did you heard that they said they only will focus in the console and in the E3 they will talk all about GAMES?

There are two problems with this response. Let me elaborate...

The first being not what happened, but whether or not warning people ahead of time then excuses/justifies what happened. I'm not sure where I heard/read this (might have been Bonus Round) but the point being made was essentially, "If I tell you I'm going to punch you in the stomach. Does it make it hurt less when I eventually do?" Inoculation is great argumentative strategy (one of my favorites, in fact) but it doesn't address the problem that some felt like second-class citizens consumers. I believe MSFT when they say E3 will be about games -- I have no doubt. But they brought that console into existence by somewhat marginalizing their fanbase. The face they chose to show the media at large was demonstrably less about gaming -- even if that is a fleeting/temporary reality. I don't believe the subsequent outrage was disingenuous or misplaced.

The second being the thread leading up to the event. I know that warrior regalia wears heavy on both the mind and body, but no amount of revisionist history changes the atmosphere of that thread. There were just lists and lists of what titles, studios, and megatons would be had. Sure, some questioned how much they could fit in, or which games would have just trailers versus which games would have gameplay demos, but the idea that the average Xbox fan knew exactly what to expect is absurd. So, again, when someone posts similar to thuway, they aren't being unreasonable. Whether they align with MSFT's intentions is different from the value they place upon them. One is valid, the other is not.

 

[FordGTGuy]

There are two problems with this response. Let me elaborate...

The first being not what happened, but whether or not warning people ahead of time then excuses/justifies what happened. I'm not sure where I heard/read this (might have been Bonus Round) but the point being made was essentially, "If I tell you I'm going to punch you in the stomach. Does it make it hurt less when I eventually do?" Inoculation is great argumentative strategy (one of my favorites, in fact) but it doesn't address the problem that some felt like second-class citizens consumers. I believe MSFT when they say E3 will be about games -- I have no doubt. But they brought that console into existence by somewhat marginalizing their fanbase. The face they chose to show the media at large was demonstrably less about gaming -- even if that is a fleeting/temporary reality. I don't believe the subsequent outrage was disingenuous or misplaced.

The second being the thread leading up to the event. I know that warrior regalia wears heavy on both the mind andbody, but no amount of revisionist history changes the atmosphere of that thread. There were just lists and lists of what titles, studios, and megatons would be had. Sure, some questioned how much they could fit in, or which games would have just trailers versus which games would have gameplay demos, but the idea that the average Xbox fan knew exactly what to expect is absurd. So, again, when someone posts similar to thuway, they aren't being unreasonable. Whether they align with MSFT's intentions is different from the value they place upon them. One is valid, the other is not.

I was way more a part of the thread leading up to the reveal than most of GAF and I'll go on record saying we were predicting there wasn't going to be a lot of games, in fact we discussed the Aaron Greenberg well before the reveal happened.

For that matter we had people predicting there wouldn't be any games shown at all and what they did show beat most of the predictions most people in that thread made.

It's childish to whine about there being no games at a event when it was made clear that there weren't going to be many there before hand.

It's like a child complaining that he couldn't have his dessert before dinner.

Everyone was expecting a lot more than what was shown, even hardcore MS fans, all you have to do is read the reveal thread.

I was on the last train and that was a disaster, so I won't be on this one. I'm hopeful they'll come out guns blazing this time around, I really think on the software front they'll have an awesome E3 this year. But my hype has flat-lined until this used games/DRM fiasco is resolved.

Give me a break I had the third most posts in that thread and this is completely untrue.

 

[Stillmatic]

Everyone was expecting a lot more than what was shown, even hardcore MS fans, all you have to do is read the reveal thread.

I was on the last train and that was a disaster, so I won't be on this one. I'm hopeful they'll come out guns blazing this time around, I really think on the software front they'll have an awesome E3 this year. But my hype has flat-lined until this used games/DRM fiasco is resolved.

 

[Lynn616]

Should really get on the Sony payroll because actively trying to downplay the Xbox One for nothing as tirelessly as he has is criminal.

Sad part is some people really think they can actually effect sales one way or the other. It is a colossal waste of his time and energy.

 

[Neo Ankh]

Why do people think the zombie game is going to be Dead Rising 3? I'm thinking it's Fortnight from Epic.

 

[Xenon]

All those spec rumors did come through so...

It was all that one leak. That's not enough to set any kind of track record. But my post was more about how certain Sony fans like to hang out in Xbox threads and talk about negative XBO rumors.

It's just so tiring to read after a while. Take the Xbox media interface thread. It's amazing how many people starting caring about the media UI when they had something to bitch about.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Everyone was expecting a lot more than what was shown, even hardcore MS fans, all you have to do is read the reveal thread.

I was on the last train and that was a disaster, so I won't be on this one. I'm hopeful they'll come out guns blazing this time around, I really think on the software front they'll have an awesome E3 this year. But my hype has flat-lined until this used games/DRM fiasco is resolved.

Most of the stuff in the reveal thread was conspiracy theory hyperbole. A lot of folks probably bought into it though.

 

[soundscream]

There were two threads leading up to the reveal that stated there wasn't going to be more than a few games, the one for the Major Nelson podcast and the polygon article thread.

 

[rdrr gnr]

I was way more a part of the thread leading up to the reveal than most of GAF and I'll go on record saying we were predicting there wasn't going to be a lot of games, in fact we discussed the Aaron Greenberg well before the reveal happened.

For that matter we had people predicting there wouldn't be any games shown at all and what they did show beat most of the predictions most people in that thread made.

It's childish to whine about there being no games at a event when it was made clear that there weren't going to be many there before hand.

It's like a child complaining that he couldn't have his dessert before dinner.



Give me a break I had the third most posts in that thread and this is completely untrue.

I don't think you fully comprehend my point. Exactly how many posts does it take for you to be deemed Xbox ambassador? Should I contact bish and let him know you've passed the threshold? You don't represent a thousand different posters with differing expectations. Your expectations are no more or less valid than someone who had only one post in that thread. Yet the fact there was no consensus strengths the position of discontent when the box was revealed. And, again, one's expectations are independent from the value placed subsequently.

Why do people think the zombie game is going to be Dead Rising 3? I'm thinking it's Fortnight from Epic.

It's essentially confirmed at this point. CBOAT, and all.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Did you heard that they said they only will focus in the console and in the E3 they will talk all about GAMES?

That would have been fine except they didn't really talk much about the console. The only hardware specs they gave during the conference was "500 billion transistor, 8gb RAM". The rest was software demonstration of the TV integration, their exclusivity deal with the NFL, some EA PR bullshit, and a few short trailers of what could have been nothing but CG.

E3 is coming up, maybe they'll show some great games, but that still no excuse for such a poor reveal. They deserve all the backlash they've gotten so far.

 

[FordGTGuy]

That would have been fine except they didn't really talk much about the console. The only hardware specs they gave during the conference was "500 billion transistor, 8gb RAM". The rest was software demonstration of the TV integration, their exclusivity deal with the NFL, some EA PR bullshit, and a few short trailers of what could have been nothing but CG.

E3 is coming up, maybe they'll show some great games, but that still no excuse for such a poor reveal. They deserve all the backlash they've gotten so far.

C'mon now Junior?

What trailers were CG?

The Forza 5 trailer which they already confirmed isn't CG?

I don't think you fully comprehend my point. Exactly how many posts does it take for you to be deemed Xbox ambassador? Should I contact bish and let him know you've passed the threshold? You don't represent a thousand different posters with differing expectations. Your expectations are no more or less valid than someone who had only one post in that thread. Yet the fact there was no consensus strengths the position of discontent when the box was revealed. And, again, one's expectations are independent from the value placed subsequently.

It's essentially confirmed at this point. CBOAT, and all.

Is this a honest question?

It means I was following that thread constantly and read pretty much every single post in it...

 

[Dosia]

There are two problems with this response. Let me elaborate...

The first being not what happened, but whether or not warning people ahead of time then excuses/justifies what happened. I'm not sure where I heard/read this (might have been Bonus Round) but the point being made was essentially, "If I tell you I'm going to punch you in the stomach. Does it make it hurt less when I eventually do?" Inoculation is great argumentative strategy (one of my favorites, in fact) but it doesn't address the problem that some felt like second-class citizens consumers. I believe MSFT when they say E3 will be about games -- I have no doubt. But they brought that console into existence by somewhat marginalizing their fanbase. The face they chose to show the media at large was demonstrably less about gaming -- even if that is a fleeting/temporary reality. I don't believe the subsequent outrage was disingenuous or misplaced.

The second being the thread leading up to the event. I know that warrior regalia wears heavy on both the mind and body, but no amount of revisionist history changes the atmosphere of that thread. There were just lists and lists of what titles, studios, and megatons would be had. Sure, some questioned how much they could fit in, or which games would have just trailers versus which games would have gameplay demos, but the idea that the average Xbox fan knew exactly what to expect is absurd. So, again, when someone posts similar to thuway, they aren't being unreasonable. Whether they align with MSFT's intentions is different from the value they place upon them. One is valid, the other is not.

Sounds like a bunch of people were acting like entitled children to me. E3 is a couple weeks after the console reveal so how about people have some patience as opposed to throwing hissy fits?

 

[Stillmatic]

Give me a break I had the third most posts in that thread and this is completely untrue.

Ok...you yourself mention crow eating/cooking/will be served at least 3 time on this page, you must have been expecting something other than what was revealed right? Because nothing came from the reveal that would've required crow eating.

 

[paynzee]

Why do people think the zombie game is going to be Dead Rising 3? I'm thinking it's Fortnight from Epic.

I would love that to be true.

 

[statham]

I'm still very excited for XB1, but man does a few members on this forum try to swipe that away from you.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Ok...you yourself mention crow eating/cooking/will be served at least 3 time on this page, you must have been expecting something other than what was revealed right? Because nothing came from the reveal that would've required crow eating.

You do realize bringing up and arguing over post history isn't tolerated on this forum right?

My comments were directed towards the random expectations of others and not my own.

I brought up a page relating to a question I asked you.

And I answered that question.

 

[Stillmatic]

You do realize bringing up post history isn't tolerated on this forum right?

I brought up a page relating to a question I asked you.

edit:

My comments were directed towards the random expectations of others and not my own.

Ok.

And I answered that question.

Yes, just seen your edit.

 

[TehuberOne]

XB1, XBONeY, whatever you want to call it. Better have KI3 at E3 this 2013 or else ill be x3 dissapointed, whatever the manufacturing problems. First Post.

 

[oVerde]

Time to logout from GAF, tomorrow will be a new day.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Well, it depends who you believe:

Too late man,even thuway change his mind most of "them" will treat it like fact lol

 

[rdrr gnr]

Ok...you yourself mention crow eating/cooking/will be served at least 3 time on this page, you must have been expecting something other than what was revealed right? Because nothing came from the reveal that would've required crow eating.

No point in using reason. I remember having to explain ten different times why there is business sense in an always-online box, yet was met with incredulity at the notion of MSFT fragmenting their audience. Yet we now know with certainty that was the plan up until recently (which accounts for the mixed messages). Or, at least, that's what was implied from CBOAT.

I'm still very excited for XB1, but man does a few members on this forum try to swipe that away from you.

Do you feel persecuted?

 

[Xv Elite vX]

I am really not seeing any issues here. MS said they would have a two part reveal, the first hour on Hardware and the second part at E3 for games. I just don't see the fuss? Also, I am glad they did not focus on games during the the first part of the reveal, it saves more fun for E3. Lastly I do not see what the reason in speculating on Console Specs is for. I still have not seen Microsoft release the official console specs besides the vauge screenshot during the reveal.

 

[weekend_warrior]

C'mon now Junior?

What trailers were CG?

The Forza 5 trailer which they already confirmed isn't CG?

1. You're more of a junior then I am.

2. Everything they showed could have been CG. The Quantum Break game, the EA stuff, CoD and Forza. Whether it was actually CG or not doesn't matter, the point is nothing came close to feeling like a real tangible game you could play. When Sony showed Deep Down, even though it was obviously CG it still felt like a game, and that get's the gamer juices boiling.

 

[paynzee]

Someone mentioned on here that the Avatars may be no more? I would be sad, I've grown somewhat attached to mine, and who would I dress up!

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I don't think you fully comprehend my point. Exactly how many posts does it take for you to be deemed Xbox ambassador? Should I contact bish and let him know you've passed the threshold? You don't represent a thousand different posters with differing expectations. Your expectations are no more or less valid than someone who had only one post in that thread. Yet the fact there was no consensus strengths the position of discontent when the box was revealed. And, again, one's expectations are independent from the value placed subsequently.

It's essentially confirmed at this point. CBOAT, and all.

FordGTGuy does have a valid point, though. Sure, people's expectations might have gone crazy, and who can blame people for hoping and praying, contrary to what was said by Aaron Greenberg on that podcast 3 to 4 days before the reveal, that the event would end up being packed with many more games and big game related announcements than what Greenberg made it sound like.

He said it, we knew what it sounded like, but we all hoped that there would be some megatons regardless. And, to be honest, it gets drowned out amidst all the other stuff, but Quantum Break was a massive announcement in my eyes. It was great to see that Microsoft is committing to that kind of new ip, and from Remedy no less. I almost felt like it was their way of saying to gamers "Yea, we know we're going to bombard you with a lot of stuff you may not want to see right now, but, seriously, we aren't fucking around and this new Remedy IP is just a small taste of what's to come."

I genuinely felt it was tossed in there to be their "mini-megaton" of the reveal event, and it sure as hell was for me. That doesn't mean it's all of a sudden sufficient, because it isn't and gamers always want more, and we aren't necessarily wrong for wanting that. But all that aside, Microsoft really and truly couldn't have been anymore clear regarding their intentions for that reveal event. I don't think Microsoft is completely free from some fault, but they were honest about what they were going to do, and they followed through precisely as they said they would. Maybe we all felt Microsoft was somehow trying to purposely decrease our expectations, because they knew they had something huge to drop on us, or maybe they really and truly wanted to dial back our expectations for the reveal.

The way Greenberg talked about their E3 show sounded like a preemptive apology for what was going to be shown at the reveal. It really did come off that way, and now we know why that is. But, again, we have not seen the full vision of what they want the new Xbox to be. They always said it was a two part story they were telling. We saw part one.

The reveal event was headlined with "A New Generation of Entertainment." E3 is titled "A New Generation of Games."

1. You're more of a junior then I am.

2. Everything they showed could have been CG. The Quantum Break game, the EA stuff, CoD and Forza. Whether it was actually CG or not doesn't matter, the point is nothing came close to feeling like a real tangible game you could play. When Sony showed Deep Down, even though it was obviously CG it still felt like a game, and that get's the gamer juices boiling.

Deep Down? Really? Forza and specific parts of Quantum Break definitely looked like they could be from the actual running game. Or in Forza's case, at least a replay of some kind with angles only devs have access to, I don't know.

 

[statham]

Time to logout from GAF, tomorrow will be a new day.

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