Nice inside look into the last episode, so it DOES CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 9!!!!!!beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://youtu.be/DQsl5Bz312k
http://youtu.be/DQsl5Bz312k
Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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kellycandthedragons
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I think it depends on how much he loved her and if how twisted by bitterness he was. Does that overpower what would happen to him strategically if he were to avenge them? Does he care about avenging her if he still has a chance of getting her through having one of her daughters? It's hard to predict what he might do. Will avenging them ruin whatever plans he has now or does he not have plans? If he doesn't have plans will he just say YOLOOOOOO and turn against the Lannisters? I don't know man
Liquidsnake
Banned
I have only re watched the first two episodes of season 1, and I find it fascinating.
The conversation Ned's wife had by the fire with him about the hand being murdered was great.
The Freys were bannermen to House Tully. If I understand correctly, it's basically a partnership/alliance. You protect me and I'll protect you.
But when House Tully needed his help, the old shit decided he wasn't sure what side he should choose.
No loyalty, no honor, I hope Waldyer Frey dies a terrible death.
But when House Tully needed his help, the old shit decided he wasn't sure what side he should choose.
No loyalty, no honor, I hope Waldyer Frey dies a terrible death.
HyruleGuardian
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I don't think Littlefinger has any real loyalty to the Lannisters whatsoever. He is clearly a character who will always look after #1. As long as helping the Lannisters serves him, he will ally with them. The moment he has a good reason to turn against them, he will. I can't see him doing anything completely stupid. Littlefinger, Varys, and Tywin are the best "game" players IMO, and I don't see Littlefinger just placing his Queen in harm's way of an opponent's Knight.
It's just interesting to see what will happen because Catelyn clearly meant a lot to him.
Recall in Season 1 how he tells the story of how he fought for Catelyn's love as a youth but lost in a duel to Brandon Stark - Catelyn asks Brandon to spare his life - and this taught Littlefinger that he'd never win playing "their game", and that's essentially what formed his character.
There are some hilarious stuff in there as well, like Robert telling Ned "I'll have your head on a spike!".
He wasn't wrong on that one. He swore fealty to the King as well, he was basically being forced to break one of his vows.
Anything with Robert Baratheon is great.
I also wonder how House Arryn will act? Cat was her sister after all... But early on in season one it seemed like she only cared about her son.
Looking forward to this too. Lisa Arryn was clearly unstable, but did care about Cat and hated the Lannisters.
So basically that's Littlefinger + Lisa = two people who loved Cat.
There's going to be long-term repercussions for this.
Smelly Tramp
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if there's anything this show has made prevalent, its that despite how horrible characters are to their kin when one dies or is shamed they have to step up purely because it blights the family name.
she'll do something, not sure whether she has the resources to do anything to turn the tables though.
HyruleGuardian
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It would be nice to see the Eyrie start to get involved in things, but after what we saw in Season 1 I have no faith in Lysa. Hope I'm wrong though.
Yeah, I don't really see it. From what we've seen of her, it seems more likely she'll hole up and become even more of a crazy isolationist hermit than she already was.
As for Littlefinger, no doubt he'll be upset and sorrowful, but I'm sure he'll be back to his chaos ladder in no time.
As for Littlefinger, no doubt he'll be upset and sorrowful, but I'm sure he'll be back to his chaos ladder in no time.
Well, as I'm a dirty book reader I won't say anything, however... there is something in the very first book that hints at who Jon Snow's mother is. Now, as the title says "no book spoilers" I'll adhere to the rules, but I will just say if you are curious read the first book. Carefully. It is somewhat subtle.
Edit: I just looked it up. The pertinent info is in chapter 35. Keep a very, very open mind.
Zoso Achilles
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I saw a scene cut from the show floating around youtube that deals with this. I'm not sure if it was official or not; if it was, it was in an early stage (sketches, etc.)
sammyCYBORG
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Oh, thank you for this. Might give the first book a go. Ah, your edit has made me really want to read the first book. Damn you dirty book readers trying to lure the lambs astray.
I only remember Lysa as the 'crazy breast-feeding lady' so I can't really remember her reaction to Catelyn's visit or their relationship. However, I do believe that Littlefinger truly loved Catelyn, so maybe he will want to take action.
Zoso Achilles
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At this point reading the first two won't affect you watching and enjoying the show. Stay away from the third until season four is over, of course.Oh, thank you for this. Might give the first book a go. Ah, your edit has made me really want to read the first book. Damn you dirty book readers trying to lure the lambs astray.
I only remember Lysa as the 'crazy breast-feeding lady' so I can't really remember her reaction to Catelyn's visit or their relationship. However, I do believe that Littlefinger truly loved Catelyn, so maybe he will want to take action.
Oh, thank you for this. Might give the first book a go. Ah, your edit has made me really want to read the first book. Damn you dirty book readers trying to lure the lambs astray.
I only remember Lysa as the 'crazy breast-feeding lady' so I can't really remember her reaction to Catelyn's visit or their relationship. However, I do believe that Littlefinger truly loved Catelyn, so maybe he will want to take action.
Well, with the first book there are nearly zero major events that aren't 1:1 with the first season of the show. It is actually shocking how close the two are considering it's only 10 hours of TV. So I would say it's totally safe to read the first book if you're show only for additional background info.
With the second book, it does diverge a bit, but is generally the same. Stay far away from the third book if you want to be a show-first person, which I can appreciate. I personally prefer watching movies first and reading the book after for additional backstory.
With Game of Thrones, it is simply too much time between seasons for me to wait, and I like reading a lot of books while watching baseball over the summer. I tore through all 5 books last summer. It was a slog!
Ninja Scooter
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There are actually a fair number of things for book readers to speculate on given there have been deviations in the show. That said, I don't understand why certain book readers continue to do their speculating in this thread. I've read the books and if I do post in here I don't say shit about stuff that hasn't happened yet.
sammyCYBORG
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Thanks for the input, both of you. I'll read the first book judging on the comments and leave the rest (might read the second). I don't want to overtake myself as the show is something I love watching with my boyfriend and it's nice talking about theories and stuff with others who haven't experienced the events.
All this talk of Jorah's unrequited love makes me sad. :'(
People seriously considering qutting the show over this are so fucking lame. Are people so fragile that the good guys must not only win, but win flawlessly? Robb dying only means the show can go in more interesting directions. If in the episode every single character died and at the end it said "The Lannisters win, The End", maybe you'd have a point, but Robb and friends were only a small part in a major story.
I've thought this season to be fucking terrible, and despite me thinking the latest episode not live up to the hype, it was the first time I actually respected the series, to have the balls to do what they did.
I've thought this season to be fucking terrible, and despite me thinking the latest episode not live up to the hype, it was the first time I actually respected the series, to have the balls to do what they did.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's mostly hyperbole, a la "if Bush/Obama/whoever wins, I'm moving to Canada!" People are upset and angry and lashing out.
But yeah, there will probably also be people who really will stop watching. I have no problem with that. They were watching a different show than what they thought they were watching. Now that they've discovered that fact, they're dropping it. Seems reasonable to me.
I would expect most of the folks who didn't know what they were getting into to have been weeded out by the events of the first season. But hey, maybe some still thought it was going to be a grand revenge tale and the other characters were still safe. Now that that's obviously not true...
sammyCYBORG
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Agreed. Shows that actually have the balls to kill of characters, especially the ones people want to succeed, are good in my books. It adds to the charm of the show, knowing that things aren't going to be conventional. The death of Ned is one of these instances, the viewer is led to believe that he will be able to show everyone that Joffrey is the product of incest and has no claim to the throne. Until Baelor, even though Ned's life is at threat, I did not believe that he would actually be killed as he seemed so pivotal to the show.
Every character in the show is just a tiny cog in the kingdom, they will be replaced and moved aside. And people who think that it has a happy ending are obviously misguided.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Also Cersai has always treated him like shit.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The very last bit of the Facebook recap cracked me up so much. It's like this thread summarized in one Facebook status. 
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
The very last bit of the Facebook recap cracked me up so much. It's like this thread summarized in one Facebook status.
Haha that was fantastic.
TheContact
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The very last bit of the Facebook recap cracked me up so much. It's like this thread summarized in one Facebook status.
Wow that had me smiling the whole time, fantastic
Think it was a one-kill deal.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm going with massive cooldown time.
Phonomezer
Banned
The very last bit of the Facebook recap cracked me up so much. It's like this thread summarized in one Facebook status.
Hah, that was great, thanks.
iNvid02
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9 month incubation period
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
The very last bit of the Facebook recap cracked me up so much. It's like this thread summarized in one Facebook status.
Sensational as always.
I don't think that's necessarily true for the whole, just for the two biggest death scenes in the story so far. No one (or at least not as many) were invested in Robert or Drogo or Renly, but those were all major character deaths.
On the bright side, if GRRM's intent is to subvert expectations, the Starks should be relatively safe now. :lol
When did GRRM say this is the case?
THIS THIS THIS. It's like some deranged fan fic where he builds characters to break them in the most cruel way possible. Living in a world where evil always prevails i presume. I'm sure he couldn't keep it in his pants once the book itself was released and i wouldn't be surprised if he was over the moon with the episode last week bringing back all those memories.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I'll just say that Martin had the plot, including what happened on Sunday, sorted out before he finished writing the first book.
That means he's good at observing the real world.
Besides, how can an original work be fanfic? Was MacBeth fanfic when it was written a billion years ago?
Hasn't it been made clear that revenge is not justice?
Frey got revenge for Robb's betrayal.
The Greyjoys got revenge on the Starks for taking Theon.
Rast got revenge on Jorah, in a generalized sort of "I've always hated you."
close enough
That's why i said ITS LIKE. And good he observes the real world, where evil always prevails.
robotzombie
Member
This is what people don't seem to get. They just think one day he decided to go, "you know what, people like Robb, I'm gonna kill him!"
Ned and Robb were characters meant to die. The story isn't about them. You as the viewer/reader just want them to live because they are presented as the closest thing to a cliche hero that there is. People really seem so susceptible to just rooting for whoever they are told is the "main character" or the hero that its easy to construct a story that turns this on its head and makes something like Robb's death a gutpunch, when it really is a reasonable consequence of the story. We were given every reason to believe Robb should/would/could get killed but because we chose to believe in the cliches, thought he just had to win. That's the exact reason that this story is amazing and well above 90% of what we are given on TV especially
It wasn't like Robb's death came out of nowhere, his death came as the direct result of a big mistake he made.
There was an awesome post a while back about how the Starks see themselves as "the good guys", which is clearly how he justified marrying whatsherface (RIP) to himself, "I'm the good guy, I have to marry my true love".
If he hadn't broken his oath he wouldn't be dead. When you don't pay your debts your lenders are going to turn to the people who famously do.
There was an awesome post a while back about how the Starks see themselves as "the good guys", which is clearly how he justified marrying whatsherface (RIP) to himself, "I'm the good guy, I have to marry my true love".
If he hadn't broken his oath he wouldn't be dead. When you don't pay your debts your lenders are going to turn to the people who famously do.
Liquidsnake
Banned
According to everyone in internet land it did. But I understand your point.
I do think death was a little too much to pay for breaking that oath.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Does Norman Reedus put a decent English accent? Because a short appearance would be tits.
He didn't even really struggle with the decision. He straight up just said "I don't want to marry a Frey girl, I like you better."
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