Karsticles
Member
There's a confirmation that DRM is here to stay. Otherwise why keep defending it?
Microsoft: Xbox One DRM has a "lot of advantages"
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methane47
Gold Member
Hey, you know what! Private selling isn't even gone! You can still sell the worthless case, manual, and disc itself. That belongs to you. The "data" on the disc isn't yours though. So when you sell it, you just don't sell the part that isn't legally yours. Feel free to sell your case though, and the manual, and the box art, and even the disc art, they just don't get the game "data" itself. Private selling is still technically there.
So you are saying people who buy books, actually OWN the content of those books? Since they can resell them?
Soooo you are saying that people who buy music CD's actually OWN the content of those CD's? Since they can resell them?
Without the sales
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
You can play the game while it's downloading... I think that was confirmed... I know it was rumored... and I think the PS4 can do the same... Not actually sure. I'm 99% positive though that the Xbox One can play games that are currently downloading.
TheGreyHulk
Member
yeah, there are tons of advantages..... it's just that all these advantages for for Microsoft & Publishers.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Sounds reasonable, provided the details revealed are positive, but people will tear their hair out anyway lol.
Stone Ocean
Member
They're not benefits if you have to give something up.
They're compensation.
They're compensation.
I think you have a poor understanding of your rights. A EULA is not the law. I suggest you read up on it to see what we might be losing.... What consumer right? Private selling is the only thing gone. and you know what? That's not even gone.
We all know that you don't own the "right" to the game data. You don't buy the right to "own" the game. You own the "right" to play the game. The content on the discs isn't yours, and it never was. It's always been Sony/Microsoft/Activision/Ubisoft/Take Two/etcs content. Always has, always been.
Hey, you know what! Private selling isn't even gone! You can still sell the worthless case, manual, and disc itself. That belongs to you. The "data" on the disc isn't yours though. So when you sell it, you just don't sell the part that isn't legally yours. Feel free to sell your case though, and the manual, and the box art, and even the disc art, they just don't get the game "data" itself. Private selling is still technically there.
I, though, personally don't know anyone who'd buy a Game case, I wouldn't.
Whether or not this is right is another discussion. But technically we all agree to these terms when we buy the game, and we open the case up.
RedNumberFive
Banned
There is no positive or reasonable answer for this type of DRM, thus the hair pulling.
The point is the article is from the day after the reveal. Saying they should shut up is pointless because they have since then.
Sure.
Capable of enormous growth, great tissue regeneration, can withstand a wide range physiological and pathological mechanisms for cell death, noxa, ca...oh, you meant advantages for someone who is NOT cancer tissue? Nope.
XxHANNERxX
Banned
I don't have a link, but I thought I heard something about them setting up XB1's for soldiers specifically. Or having some kind of solution for them. Could be wrong though.
Live Free or Die
Banned
But they're listening, guys!
MGS MetallicA
Banned
Wow, they're forcing Xbone to fail, insulting people's intelligence with such nonsense.
So at least it's consitent with the rest they are doing - I'd say that's progress...
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Hahahaha, exactly.
Oh damn lol.
Jake Tower
Banned
TRUTHFACT"DRM is extreeemeley advantageous...
... for us"
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
No they don't.
But see... this is where it gets tricky. The Music/Publishing industries have no ideal way to stop you form reselling their content. Scholastic has no way of stopping you from reselling your physical copy of "The Hunger Games". If they could, they would, but they can't hire enforcers to go around to used Book Stores and take all the copies of "The Hunger Games". Well... they could, but it wouldn't be effective.
That's where the Gaming Industry is special, unlike the other industries, Microsoft created a way to stop you from doing it, and they're going to enforce it. That's really blows because gamers aren't used to this, and we're used to being able to sell and lend our games, but we can't now. That's the future, and we have to accept it. Or we can protest it, buy a PS4/Wii U/Boycott Microsoft. Whichever, I'm supporting Microsoft and buying an Xbox One with Forza Motorsports, because I love Forza.
I asked for that. I wanted this for a while. Not always online DRM, but I've wanted these features for a long time now.
and trust me, I'll be buying mostly digital unless the game I want has a really sweet Box-art, like Forza Motorsports 5! Or if convenience plays a factor. I'll already be at Gamestop to pick up my Xbox One, might as well pick up Forza Motorsports 5, Rare's New Game, Crackdown 3 (Micorsoft Please <3), and any other game that interest me.
Aside from launch, I'll be all digital unless:
A) Boxart is amazing and I must own it.
B) I'm buying a Collectors Edition.
BruiserBear
Banned
It's got a lot of disadvantages too.
Yep
XxHANNERxX
Banned
Population control?
Why the hell, as a consumer, do you want to hammer in the idea to yourself you don't own the games? Why would ANY consumer want to actually ARGUE that? Oh, that's right, because I guess you're accepting the "inevitability", right? It's a way to cope with it; "oh they're right i never actually owned these games..." Bull. Shit.
I don't care about what any EULA says. I put down my hard earned cash on the product, I own the copy that was sold to me. I don't care about any of your semantics, or theirs, about the code on the disc apparently *not being mine* or how the data on the disc isn't mine therefore I don't own the game.
I bought the game, they no longer have it in their possession, the store no longer owns it, I do. I'm the one holding the copy I bought, not them, they don't own the copy I have, they own the other copies but I have the one I bought.
Why are you actively accepting it? I don't fucking get this mentality.
Digital games I can understand, but PHYSICAL COPIES should be able to be played on my friend's console without me having to be logged in and download it. I should be able to visit my friend's house and play local MP (if it's available) of a game he doesn't own, with a PHYSICAL DISC, and not need to login to my account in order to play.
Various other examples I could give but the point is: this affects more than just being able to buy and sell used games.
Unreal Champ
Banned
Thank you Microsoft for making it so easy for me to spend my money elsewhere. There is no way I will be buying your shit console with the DRM bullshit you got going on.
Well said.
Well said.
Basically nothing? There IS nothing.
Aaron Strife
Banned
It has a lot of advantages!
We're making WAY more money now than ever before!
We're making WAY more money now than ever before!
OrlanisWorks
Banned
If it came with a built-in organ harvesting marketplace, then I'd be totally okay with the DRM. Gotta stay connected all the time to find those kidneys.
I do not see benefits to their DRM design (thus far) at all. Sounds like a bag of dicks. I look forward to their info release/bullshit arguments.
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I do not see benefits to their DRM design (thus far) at all. Sounds like a bag of dicks. I look forward to their info release/bullshit arguments.
Setting up special boxes for troops is not the same thing. Every naval deployment was met with me bringing my personal game system with me to play. N64 in 1998, Xbox in 2005, Xbox 360 in 2007, and 360 in 2011.
Unless Microsoft is prepared to let me play my OWN PERSONAL XBone offline during my 6 month deployment in the same way that STEAM already allows, then they're not supporting the military.
Wickerbasket
Member
He didn't say who DRM was an advantage too. I absolutely believe it's an advantage to MS to have DRM.
As a consumer, it sucks big time.
Why not just give me the advantages without the DRM?
As a consumer, it sucks big time.
Why not just give me the advantages without the DRM?
WrenchNinja
Member
What about this is reasonable?
anexanhume
Member
How is playing without the disc not a benefit? It's the convenience of a digital copy with the safety of a physical copy (assuming that's how they structure it).
That's still online. I get that you're saying MS should modify their 24 hour strategy (I agree), but there's no way to do it without having your console online at some point in time. That's the whole point I was trying to make.
Pop
Member
I really appreciate that Microsoft is doing this.
I'm so happy that when I buy my Xbox One at launch, alongside with Forza Motorsports 5, I can just put the disc in, and always have it with me on my harddrive, no longer needing the disc.
And then I can take my copy to my Friends House and play Forza Motorsports 5 together splitscreen, without me needing to bring my game! All digital and all perfect!
Microsoft is doing good with the Xbox One so far, hype!
My internet sarcastic meter just broke
RumblingRosco
Member
I love watching a consumer drink corporate piss with a smile.
Hey, you know what! Private selling isn't even gone! You can still sell the worthless case, manual, and disc itself. That belongs to you. The "data" on the disc isn't yours though. So when you sell it, you just don't sell the part that isn't legally yours. Feel free to sell your case though, and the manual, and the box art, and even the disc art, they just don't get the game "data" itself. Private selling is still technically there.
I, though, personally don't know anyone who'd buy a Game case, I wouldn't.
Whether or not this is right is another discussion. But technically we all agree to these terms when we buy the game, and we open the case up.
It's even funnier when they politely ask for seconds.
...well, I guess the humor in this kind of turns sad when, with a mouthful of piss, the consumer repeatedly tries to convince the rest of us just how delicious it is.
theman5141
Neo Member
Phil Spencer, please promptly remove your head from those vaunted technological clouds of nothingness your company is aggressively prioritizing. We get it. Your new console is a poor excuse for a gaming machine, and you've resorted to technological buzzwords and logical fallacies in an attempt to save face.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
I really appreciate that Microsoft is doing this.
I'm so happy that when I buy my Xbox One at launch, alongside with Forza Motorsports 5, I can just put the disc in, and always have it with me on my harddrive, no longer needing the disc.
And then I can take my copy to my Friends House and play Forza Motorsports 5 together splitscreen, without me needing to bring my game! All digital and all perfect!
Microsoft is doing good with the Xbox One so far, hype!
I'm trying to tell whether this is a joke post or a Microsoft plant. I'm leaning towards the latter.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
You can do that without persistent online.
XxHANNERxX
Banned
How do you know they aren't planning on doing that for the military? Oh that's right, you don't. Nobody does.