I'm pretty sure people are spending more than 5.00 on some of those top grossing apps. God only knows how much people spend in IAP on stuff like clash of clans.
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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I'm pretty sure people are spending more than 5.00 on some of those top grossing apps. God only knows how much people spend in IAP on stuff like clash of clans.
Agent Dale Cooper
Banned
Because I can share games, apparently.
I can also buy at retail and hypothetically trade a game in if I despise it, even though I rarely do that anyway.
Domcorleone
Member
All of this reads like a huge nightmare. I mean I have a great internet connection, but the idea of not being able to game times my internet goes down for a couple days or when I just move into a new place is insane to me. If it were like steam where I wouldnt have to sign in for like 2 weeks I could tolerate it. Not being able to sell my games on craigslist or ebay is terrible as well and I only buy games new! Only way I could see myself getting the X1 is if they make online gaming free or there are like 10 exclusives that are must buys for me in year 1. Otherwise its PS4 and PC unless Sony does the same insane shit.
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Deleted member 17706
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No, we don't. Many people like myself are saying "fuck Sony" if they pull something similar. We're not trying to use the fact that Sony's plans are still unclear as some kind of way to make Microsoft looks not so bad. Microsoft looks bad. Sony is still not clear.
Why would you ever want to take a "it could be worse" position in a situation like this? This is a consumer entertainment product that you're not going to be forced to buy. You only say that things could be worse to make yourself feel better in situations where something is being forced upon you. Are you so indoctrinated that you can't imagine a scenario where you might not purchase the Xbone?
No boycott campaign. But an informing campaign. They've worded it with their marketing speak so the average consumer doesn't really get what they're doing and how bad it really is.
Some normal speak explaning what this means for the average consumer would effectively result in a sort of a boycott anyways (especially if PS4 doesn't follow suite).
Boogalogist
Member
And so it begins.....
I can't believe there are still people defending this...jeez...
Is this the reason why the E3 Q&A session was cancelled?
I can't believe there are still people defending this...jeez...
Is this the reason why the E3 Q&A session was cancelled?
Demoncarnotaur
Member
This doesn't sound as bad as expected.
The always on, 24 hour required check ups are still awful though.
Family sharing seems like a something that could be nice.
This would be ideal.
The always on, 24 hour required check ups are still awful though.
Family sharing seems like a something that could be nice.
This would be ideal.
chrominance
Member
Watching the Giant Bomb crew work through the ramifications of the Xbox One DRM crystallizes something I'd been trying to figure out how to express properly: it's such a complicated system, with a host of new restrictions and arbitrary figures (24 hours of offline play on your console or 1 hour on someone else's! Ten family members, one of which can access your shared library at a time!). You need to give users something in payback, if only because the user experience of having to juggle all these digital rights (or lack thereof) sounds a little bit like a pain in the ass. But what's the upside to all this?
Reselling PC games has always been difficult, and there's no rental market to speak of. The retail market was dead for years, and still is now. The only reason PC gaming has had a resurgence is because we're finally, finally seeing some upside to having all the restrictions the PC market has imposed on gaming. You can't trade in your PC game, but now they're so cheap that it doesn't really matter. You can't find the discs for that decade-old game anymore, but now it's always in your library so who cares. You can pre-load games before release. You can install one copy on your desktop and one on your laptop. You can seamlessly share the save game between all your PCs so you don't have to start from scratch.
What does the Xbox One have? Xbox One games don't have any price points yet but everyone assumes they'll be the same price. The Xbox One has a limited lifespan--once the authentication servers go down, and they'll go down eventually, that's it for playing your games. (Meanwhile I can play the 2002 copy of No One Lives Forever I bought off eBay just fine.) People usually don't own more than one console, so being able to use a game anywhere you're logged in isn't as big of a deal. You might be able to pre-load games, but you don't need a byzantine DRM system to allow that. And so on and so forth.
Microsoft's done an awful job of explaining why you should deal with all this DRM. Even EA and Maxis, in the midst of all the SimCity bullshit, gave reasons for why the game needed to always be online. They were awful reasons that no one really asked for, sure, but if you fully bought into the SimCity 2013 vision, and SimCity had actually needed all that cloud computing power, it would've been fantastic. The Xbox One's DRM, so far, has even less justification for users.
That said, so far we don't really have that much insight into Sony's system. Now that Microsoft has come out and said that some of the more egregious parts of the DRM scheme are essentially opt-in (or opt-out, depending on what becomes the norm), that would roughly parallel the consensus that Sony will probably have an opt-in system for online passes or something more restrictive. That just leaves the always-online stuff, which Sony has pretty clearly come out against.
Reselling PC games has always been difficult, and there's no rental market to speak of. The retail market was dead for years, and still is now. The only reason PC gaming has had a resurgence is because we're finally, finally seeing some upside to having all the restrictions the PC market has imposed on gaming. You can't trade in your PC game, but now they're so cheap that it doesn't really matter. You can't find the discs for that decade-old game anymore, but now it's always in your library so who cares. You can pre-load games before release. You can install one copy on your desktop and one on your laptop. You can seamlessly share the save game between all your PCs so you don't have to start from scratch.
What does the Xbox One have? Xbox One games don't have any price points yet but everyone assumes they'll be the same price. The Xbox One has a limited lifespan--once the authentication servers go down, and they'll go down eventually, that's it for playing your games. (Meanwhile I can play the 2002 copy of No One Lives Forever I bought off eBay just fine.) People usually don't own more than one console, so being able to use a game anywhere you're logged in isn't as big of a deal. You might be able to pre-load games, but you don't need a byzantine DRM system to allow that. And so on and so forth.
Microsoft's done an awful job of explaining why you should deal with all this DRM. Even EA and Maxis, in the midst of all the SimCity bullshit, gave reasons for why the game needed to always be online. They were awful reasons that no one really asked for, sure, but if you fully bought into the SimCity 2013 vision, and SimCity had actually needed all that cloud computing power, it would've been fantastic. The Xbox One's DRM, so far, has even less justification for users.
That said, so far we don't really have that much insight into Sony's system. Now that Microsoft has come out and said that some of the more egregious parts of the DRM scheme are essentially opt-in (or opt-out, depending on what becomes the norm), that would roughly parallel the consensus that Sony will probably have an opt-in system for online passes or something more restrictive. That just leaves the always-online stuff, which Sony has pretty clearly come out against.
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Deleted member 752119
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Only if:
1. Sony has pretty much the same polices in place.
2. Sony has fewer exclusives that interest me.
Number 1 is fairly likely I expect, unfortunately. Number 2 problem not because the Sony/MS exclusives are pretty much a wash to me in terms of how many I like on each platform. Maybe Sony getting a small edge as some of their exclusive devs like Naughty Dog do more in terms of introducing new franchises like The Last of Us rather than only sequels.
If both consoles have this DRM crap, I'll probably just deal with it. I don't like it on principle, but really it doesn't affect me and how I game much in practice--I just hate the principle of it. But at the same time, I have no qualms about DRM locked e-books, iphone/ipad apps, computer software etc.--so I guess I've already tossed aside that principle anyway--just not for console games yet.
But I like gaming, hate PC gaming and have no interest in a Wii U. I can keep myself busy with the PS3/360/3DS combo I have now for a couple years--and that's what I'll probably do if both have this DRM. That way I can hope it blows up in their faces and they make changes by the time I buy. If not, I'll probably just somewhat reluctantly pick which ever has the most games I want to play when my backlog of current gen stuff is exhausted.
I am Michael Bolton
Banned
I wish noobasuar was here.
Hahaha yeah maybe I need to put my pitchfork down and wipe the froth from my mouth for a second.
BFIB
Member
I have a feeling Sony will be announcing something similar as well. No way the publishers let one console maker make these decisions without the other also agreeing.
Either way, I hope both companies are booed out of their respective conferences at E3 if this is how the future is looking.
Boco_Jones
Banned
I don't get this. Won't you still have to download that game onto the other Xbox One console to play it if you don't bring the disc with you? Potentially 40-50gb of data to download?
famousmortimer
Banned
You're not crazy.
Sony will likely have something added onto what they have this gen, but it's not going to be anywhere near what MS just unleashed. And EA is already punishing them for it by going to MS with exclusives.
But if the console sales of the ps4 are higher than the X1... they will all put their tails between their legs and come back full force.
Jest Chillin
Member
I've seen this scenario brought up a couple of times and the thread is too fast to see if it's been answered but it most likely won't work out that way. Since the Xbone is supposed to be in a constant low-power state (never completely off) it likely checks back with the server every so often. I don't know how often that would be so that's anyone's guess.
But basically just because you haven't turned on your console and played a game for 24 hours doesn't mean the system hasn't checked in in 24 hours. So it's not quite as bad as the scenario itself presents but it's still bad that it has to check in at all imo.
This, I keep reading people are much more pleased with this, but it still looks like a pile of shit.
Woo-Fu
Banned
FlutterPuffs
Member
That looks sexy as hell. It's a complete over exaggeration of the situation, but it looks really good.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Tick Tock
So is Bish gonna release that list? That would be sooo frickin awesome!
Agreed. It is shit like this that will lead to the console collapse.
Sayonara, Xbox One. It has been good never knowing ya.
Thanks for this. I'm gonna share it - via the normal social methods - if that's OK with you?
It's probably because the big 3 publishers are behind this as well, which pay for a lot of advertising on their sites. They're probably trying to figure out how to approach the situation carefully.
JetBlackPanda
Member
xbone.. a worse PC
BruiserBear
Banned
It's not lending. It's gifting. It allows you to arrange private sale with your friend, but they then can't do the same thing.
The stupid thing is, this system could have been great with a tweak. Allow you to transfer ownership to a friend, at a cost of 200 MSP or something. That money could go to the pubs, and the same licence could be resold ad-infinitum. The same system could have be across both retail and digital games.
Little Green Yoda
Member
It comes down to how informed the average consumer is. Not just about the fact the DRM is there but why it matters.
Anybody can see a $599 pricepoint and react negatively to that.
Spat_triate
Member
I remember going out with some pals to get the OG Xbox way back before I immigrated to the US.
I remember playing Halo for the first time and staring at the grass in wonder.
I remember my first time putting on a headset to play with other people online.
I remember buying used games from Blockbuster (lol) because I couldn't afford to buy new.
I remember buying a second! 360 after my launch console was stolen.
I remember and now I regret.
I most assuredly will not be supporting MS this gen. They can take their attempts to 'control' my living room and fuck off.
I dunno why, the majority of journalists have been tripping over themselves to give editorials supporting this bullshit bar a few notable exceptions.
I've got 3 360s(1 broke, an elite and the slim), loved that console and now this shit.
Actually just counted a rough estimate and im in the 180 area too. Didnt realize i had that much yikes.
That is perhaps the most ridiculously hyperbolic thing I've ever seen outside of /v/
Do any of them let me play while the kinect is in the dumpster?
legacyzero
Banned
The thought that is depressing me is that, if this comes from publishers (and it probably does, for the most part) there's little chance Sony won't implement a big slice of it in the PS4.
Goddamnit.
But at least for what the online checks are concerned, they should be safe.
Goddamnit.
But at least for what the online checks are concerned, they should be safe.
What horrible, horrible fucking news. I will not give them a single dollar for that piece of junk. It is my sincere hope that none of you do either. Pass AznKnight's image online so people become aware.
Great image, I've put it on my Twitter and will share it on Facebook tomorrow.
shinra-bansho
Member
Pre-purchase rationalisation.
They're giving the publishers more power. At least over their own console, and those who buy that console. That kind of consolidation of power has been written on the wall for half a decade.
DC1
Member
Yes. However there is a 1 hour authentication when not playing on your home XBOX One.
And the PS4/XBONE allows you to install the game while you are playing it.
I still don't like it!
The funny thing about all this is the simple fact that other people have done a way better job of doing DRM for other devices that you'd think Microsoft would be inclined to be swayed towards those models. The whole "let's allow these pieces of 1s and 0s to be available for X devices and allow people to remove them from their accounts at will" idea has been used by Apple and Amazon for years now, and yet Microsoft comes in and offers us this?
I almost think that the Xbox organization "restructuring" is a reaction to the lost messaging, but I doubt that a shake up in that department's going to do anything given CBOAT's recent confirmations...
I only had about 50 but after the reveal I've cut that down a lot and have been putting the trade in values into steam wallet cards. At least my games will work on my pc whenever I upgrade. I'm considering even just getting rid of my 360 as it is now.
H_Prestige
Banned
You can already share your games with other people.