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Angry Joe: Major Nelson Interview (Xbox One) E3 2013

Edit: moved to other thread.

What I believe he was getting too was that 2 people with two Xbox's in the same house can play the game in split screen even though only one had purchased it by being a 'family' member, which is stupid because it would still be only single player mode.
Yeah, and you should be able to splitscreen a local game regardless of the family plan. I guess you can't check a game out of the library and then splitscreen the multiplayer with a guest? Haha, this gets complicated.
 
What research do you have to claim that trading games locally leads to piracy? People pirate steam games, people pirate PSN and XLive games.

I was never really talking about trading games locally. I was talking about why the disc restrictions were more than likely needed to balance out what MS wants to do when it comes to letting users share digitally.

Based on what has been stated, things will be opened more than ever before when it comes to digital sharing of games for consoles.

People share accounts on PSN all the time, even here on GAF and Sony doesn't seem to arrest any of them. Steve Jobs was referring to the iPhone and the App Store, HDTVs not always online DRM. Nobody fucking wants that, well except for people who actually want it because "family plan".

Then way say "nobody"?

Heh, that's the problem with many discussions here on GAF.


Yes but that has nothing to do with games being on discs. People pirate games because they can, PS3 was the last console to fall to piracy this gen. There are tons of Android Apps, iPhone apps and Steam game that are available to torrent. Even fucking free games and apps LMAO

Yes -- my point though was that things would be opened to people who are "physical" and "digital" more than ever before since MS is (again seemingly) adding more options to share when it comes to the latter. Therefore tons of people would be able to not pay for any game.

Now, yes, that's true for the digital plan but many people can't benefit from digital sharing yet. Hence, why the Xbox One isn't a full DD-only console.


Nonsense.

Heh, ok? How does that negate my point? If MS is saying that the share plan is true, why shouldn't I sway myself into believing it will be true?
 
Wow at Nelson's reply to the 24 hour check. It's a fucking arbitrary limit, how hard could it be to remove it?
 
Does Steam have family mode?

No.

STEAM HAS FUCKING HATS.



I've been wondering if software/hardware updates will be mandatory to install. Because for all these people that need to tether their phone for internet will be crying at their data bills if that's the case.
 
ISteam has prepared me and showed that digital is my way to go.
I had trust issues with steam at the time of the orange box.
Then more and more season sales happened on steam
and library is now 140 games. Still have to see off course if the will handle the market place like steam.

xbox one is not even close to what steam will offer.

- Steam is cheaper because is only just one of many companies that offer the same service (Steam, GOG.com, DotEmu, GamersGate, Xbox Live Marketplace) anyone can open a business and compete in this market. Xbone will have total monopoly power
 
Wow, "Major Nelson" seems like a complete douchebag in that, I'd be pissed if I was conducting that interview, props for Joe in keeping his cool
 
I Think AJ was just happy to be talking to him TBQH

I get that, but honestly, I would have completely lost it with him at some points, even more so when he interrupted him with the lawyer and "do you want to come to the future" part, and the whole fact he completely derailed the interview at some point, with the whole "steam has no family plan etc"
 
I've been wondering if software/hardware updates will be mandatory to install. Because for all these people that need to tether their phone for internet will be crying at their data bills if that's the case.

nah, the authentication takes kilobytes of data. nothing serious.
 
A real journalist would have made sure to mention the awesome benefits that Doritos and mountain dew provide to the Xbone.

Pretty much.

Note that in the 2nd part Joe mentions that he doesn't have the swag and pools (to paraphrase). The sad part is bigger and more known entities get to ask some questions sometimes but they are filtered. Guys like him may not be as liked but he damn sure fired some of the hard hitting questions and got some kick back.

I gained some respect for the guy even though he's a regular Joe like one of us. Who wouldn't want to ask these questions?
 
Wow, the pr ladies in the background just told him to go to a next question when MN was struggling to answer one.. Good job going in with the hard questions AJ.

Where does this happen in the clip?
 
I was never really talking about trading games locally. I was talking about why the disc restrictions were more than likely needed to balance out what MS wants to do when it comes to letting users share digitally.

No you said, disc based game without DRM will lead people to pirate on PS4 and that publishers wouldn't like that. And you also said People could easily not buy a single game on Xbox one due to family plan if they know the right people but somehow Publisher will be ok with that.
Based on what has been stated, things will be opened more than ever before when it comes to digital sharing of games for consoles.
Based on what has been stated, things will not be more open infact i will say PS3 is more open when it comes to consoles and their respective digital platforms as it allowed Sharing, Renting, F2P, Day 1 Digital of retail games.

Then way say "nobody"?

Heh, that's the problem with many discussions here on GAF.
Know what sarcasm is? It was put in quote for you to clearly see. Nobody wants a DRM system, it was tried on Movies, Music and it failed. It was tried for Apps and games yet we still have piracy of Free games from App Store and Android Market and Steam. You can justify it by saying "family plan" but you are just validating your already made up mind. What do you think the #NoDRM were for and why there was a roar at Sony's conference? But of course there are people who don't care about that like yourself.

Yes -- my point though was that things would be opened to people who are "physical" and "digital" more than ever before since MS is (again seemingly) adding more options to share when it comes to the latter. Therefore tons of people would be able to not pay for any game.
Publishers will love the bolded part.

It is not more options when it is limited to 1 or 2 concurrent players at a given time. My brothers Play my entire PSN catalog for free. Steam allows gifting of games digitally, things evolve. PSN as of now is the most digitally flexible platform as it allows Renting Games, Sharing Games (limited), soon platform agnostic Streaming of Games and F2P Games, Cross Buy
Now, yes, that's true for the digital plan but many people can't benefit from digital sharing yet. Hence, why the Xbox One isn't a full DD-only console.
People can benefit from PSN digital sharing now and when PS4 launches.
Heh, ok? How does that negate my point? If MS is saying that the share plan is true, why shouldn't I sway myself into believing it will be true?
Never once stated you couldn't buy an Xbox one just want you to stop talking nonsense about how PSN is restrictive when it comes to sharing when it is actually open. Sony is not screaming family plan with 10 people then later claim only 1 or 2 people can play concurrently, they outright tell you 4 devices can share digital downloads, 2 consoles and 2 handhelds and 4 accounts can share PS+ per console.

and i'm done, not going to argue or discuss further about this.
 
Major Nelson: "I'm sorry, are you an engineer? I'm sorry, are you a financial analyst? I'm sorry, are you a lawyer?"

Damn, you sure need a lot of degrees to criticize the Xbox One.
 
Some cringeworthy spinning by Hyrb. Also Joe's going really soft on them compared to his "you fucking idiots!" rants when he doesn't have to confront a person.

Well in all honesty how long would he last at E3 with an attitude like that. I don't think even Jim pushes his luck like that.
 
No you said, disc based game without DRM will lead people to pirate on PS4 and that publishers wouldn't like that.

I said that it would make things be too opened on top of if the PS4 had a family share plan as (seemingly) opened as what MS will give users for the Xbox One.


And you also said People could easily not buy a single game on Xbox one due to family plan if they know the right people but somehow Publisher will be ok with that.

Compare the number of people who have solid internet connections to benefit from the family plan vs. people who couldn't since their internet connection isn't sufficient.

Based on what has been stated, things will not be more open infact i will say PS3 is more open when it comes to consoles and their respective digital platforms as it allowed Sharing, Renting, F2P, Day 1 Digital of retail games.

The Xbox One will have demos, F2P games, Day 1 digital on all retail games, and a family share plan with more users. How isn't that more opened in terms of digital?


Know what sarcasm is? It was put in quote for you to clearly see. Nobody wants a DRM system, it was tried on Movies, Music and it failed. It was tried for Apps and games yet we still have piracy of Free games from App Store and Android Market and Steam. You can justify it by saying "family plan" but you are just validating your already made up mind. What do you think the #NoDRM were for and why there was a roar at Sony's conference? But of course there are people who don't care about that like yourself.

It depends on whether or not the DRM system has other things that will be beneficial to a certain person.

I already stated that the PS4 is obviously a better choice for someone who wants to stay with physical media.

And no, I didn't "make up my mind" until I heard about the family plan. There are people who feel the same as I do and stated (in threads here on GAF) that the family share feature would be a system seller for them.

Like I said previously, I was set on getting a PS4 first until I read more details about the family plan. It would be a huge benefit to me personally. So stop assuming that you know that I "already made up my mind" before getting info about it. You aren't me.


Publishers will love the bolded part.

(Again), compare the number of people who have solid internet connections to benefit from the family plan vs. people who can't since their internet connection isn't sufficient.


It is not more options when it is limited to 1 or 2 concurrent players at a given time.

1. I can't do this with digital games now on my Xbox 360.
2. I can do this with ALL games -- no matter if they're retail or digital.
3. I can share all games with people I know that live an hour+ away from me instantly.

So how isn't that more options in comparison to what I have now?

Never once stated you couldn't buy an Xbox one just want you to stop talking nonsense about how PSN is restrictive when it comes to sharing when it is actually open. Sony is not screaming family plan with 10 people then later claim only 1 or 2 people can play concurrently, they outright tell you 4 devices can share digital downloads, 2 consoles and 2 handhelds and 4 accounts can share PS+ per console.

2 home consoles sharing digitally -vs.- 10 home consoles sharing digitally.

So yes, in terms of what I care about it is more restrictive in terms of digital.

I never said "restrictive" period. I simply just said more restrictive in comparison.

and i'm done, not going to argue or discuss further about this.

Peace.
 
I understand he's doing his job in supporting his console but don't get mad when it's the world against you.
Majority of the gamers want resolution to this whole situation and no one has done that they keep fighting for drm
 
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As amusing as this is it's not smart to discuss legalese while being recorded. This was the only question I didn't mind him dodging.
 
Major Nelson: "I'm sorry, are you an engineer? I'm sorry, are you a financial analyst? I'm sorry, are you a lawyer?"

Damn, you sure need a lot of degrees to criticize the Xbox One.

It was extremely effective though. It pushed Joe back into a corner and say, "No I guess I'' not an expert" to which Major Nelson always followed up by consoling him that he wasn't. It literally sounded like a parent reasoning with a child.

Major Nelson almost literally played "I'm your daddy."
 
"more transistors on the cloud side"

I heard you like transistors, so we put some more transistors into your cloud.
 
Good job Joe! You did your best for sure and it's appreciated more since you're not really a gaming journalist.

Major Nelson seemed very defensive with the questions he was given and answered by being a bit dodgy and misinformed (that comparison to steam especially).

It would've been easier for him to answer, "Here's what I can answer for now, but we'll be a bit more clear and specific on that issue(s) in the coming weeks/months before launch";instead of giving answers that seemed patronizing.

Maybe he was stressed out from the other interviews (although that's not really a good excuse either).
 
nah, the authentication takes kilobytes of data. nothing serious.

It's not the authentication, but the system updates and game patches that I'm referring to. Obviously multiplayer will require the most recent patches on games etc, but will the single player require the latest update to run? And when the home menu gets an update will it allow you to ignore it if you so choose?
 
As amusing as this is it's not smart to discuss legalese while being recorded. This was the only question I didn't mind him dodging.

The more proper response is "I'm not really the person to ask that about. I can't really give you an informative answer about that because I'm honestly not aware about how that works.
 
Jesus every thread I go in it's a different answer or the Family thing. It's too bad about the multiplayer, but sharing the DLC and letting every shared game have someone who can play it is cool.
 
I thought Joe did a great job as a gamer executing a high profile interview under pressure. He tried his best to ask some of the tougher questions. I don't think Nelson got overly angry or frustrated with Joe, however, AJ kept him on his toes and it looked like both tried to keep it lighthearted. Nelson is just very good at PR and was able to deflect the questions he needed to deflect just long enough until his handlers got him out of there.
 
Good interview.

Yeah major nelson stated many of his answers with PR twist/terms but that's his job.

Overall, it still seems to me that Xbox is giving more people options to share digitally than physically while it's vice versa for the PS4.

Sony would never allow a family plan similar to what's (supposedly) coming on to the Xbox One. The PS4 is already opened as it is when it comes to physical discs. The Xbox One could do things like the family share plan because of its restrictions on discs.

If the PS4 had the family plan ON TOP of not having any restrictions on games on discs, then things would be too opened. Keeping things the way they are now with discs + the family plan = a ton of people sharing/pirating games instead of buying them. Publishers wouldn't support the PS4 at all if that happened.

The Xbox One could drop the DRM issues but if they did, the family plan would have to go (for the same exact reasons I stated above).

But yeah, it seems like this next gen is physical (PS4) vs. digital (Xbox One). Choose what's best for you and then go from there.

Or, if you want all of the games, get both. :)
This is false.

Sony actually allows something similar to that on the ps3.
I had a friend that let me download some dlc and games and we could play together.

In the early years of the ps3, many people abused this, which is why sony toned down the number of people which you are allowed to share with.

Some I could play with my friends. Others I had to wait until they stopped playing.
 
I really wanted to hear more of Major Nelson but Joe kept cutting him off. However, Major Nelson also sounded annoyed at the questions as if they weren't important.
 
I said i wouldn't discuss this further but i'll bite.
I said that it would make things be too opened on top of if the PS4 had a family share plan as (seemingly) opened as what MS will give users for the Xbox One..
1. There is no such thing as too open if it protects consumer rights and also benefit consumers in a positive way. It is too open if you look at it from the multibillion dollar corporation who wants to nickle and dime you till you die, do you work for them?

2. It is not seemingly opened, their policy has been outlined
a. cannot play from disc
b. 24hr drm checks
c. no trading game unless publisher allows it
d. no gifting at launch and when it is implemented it is just once and permanent
c. only 1 or 2(they need to pick one) people from your 10 family plan can play at concurrently so they might as well just say it is just 2 person family plan. etc etc
Compare the number of people who have solid internet connections to benefit from the family plan vs. people who couldn't since their internet connection isn't sufficient.
This is nonsense so not even going to address it, your logic is pretty much deniable. People who have bad internet connection will not be able to take advantage of 10(2) family shared plan and thats a good thing because "pretzel logic" Piracy.
The Xbox One will have demos, F2P games, Day 1 digital on all retail games, and a family share plan with more users. How isn't that more opened in terms of digital?
Yes XLive will have all that, didnt say it wouldnt but I said PSN currently has those now on PS3 and PS Vita and will carry over to PS4. I hope they also improve it more than it is now. The 10 people family plan is limited to 2 people so more? NO
Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one (not 2 or 3 or 10 but just one) of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
It depends on whether or not the DRM system has other things that will be beneficial to a certain person.
There is nothing beneficial about DRM to a consumer, they can add value to their service to make you care less about the DRM but those value can still exist outside of the DRM as it does on PSN and Steam.
I already stated that the PS4 is obviously a better choice for someone who wants to stay with physical media.
PS4 is better for anyone who wants to go Physical and Digital, you are given the option to choose if you want Physical or Digital with less restriction. In fact you can just buy a PS4 and PS+ and have access to free games every month by just spending a little less than you pay for XLive
And no, I didn't "make up my mind" until I heard about the family plan. There are people who feel the same as I do and stated (in threads here on GAF) that the family share feature would be a system seller for them.
Please you aren't fooling anyone, anyone who goes out of their way to use some pretzel logic to justify their purchase or start making up nonsense about PSN to justify their purchase has already made up their mind, and guess what? I DONT CARE.
Like I said previously, I was set on getting a PS4 first until I read more details about the family plan. It would be a huge benefit to me personally. So stop assuming that you know that I "already made up my mind" before getting info about it. You aren't me.
Doubt it for reasons above and "I said that it would make things be too opened on top of if the PS4 had a family share plan as (seemingly) opened as what MS will give users for the Xbox One" you are not even seemingly sure.
Here is the family plan again;
Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one (not 2 or 3 or 10 but just one) of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
(Again), compare the number of people who have solid internet connections to benefit from the family plan vs. people who can't since their internet connection isn't sufficient.
Thats better for consumers because 'pretzel logic' piracy and too opened.
1. I can't do this with digital games now on my Xbox 360.
2. I can do this with ALL games -- no matter if they're retail or digital.
3. I can share all games with people I know that live an hour+ away from me instantly.
Good luck with all 10 of you playing at the same time.
So how isn't that more options in comparison to what I have now?
It is by comparison to current XLive open for you but if you've never used PSN, for people who have it is not impressive just like nothing will be more impressive than PS+ in terms of value.

Correction:
2 home consoles sharing digitally -vs.- 10(only 2 concurrent so just 2) home consoles sharing digitally.
So NO, in terms of what I care about it is NOT more restrictive in terms of digital.

I never said "restrictive" period. I simply just said more restrictive in comparison.

and you would be WRONG. Buy your console of choice and again i urge you to refrain from trying to spin PSN into something it is not. It is not more restrictive to current XLive and neither will it be more restrictive to seemingly future XLive.

Peace, try harder.
 
One harmless question: I remember what Bish wrote during E3... is Bgamer90 a shill?

Dude is probably the most pro-microsoft user on this forum.

He works harder at spinning things than M.N.
 
Sometimes these conversations just remind me how fucking absurd this situation has become:

-if a developer allows it you can trade a game to one person but only someone on your friend's list for 30 days who may not then trade it.

-if a developer allows you may trade in a game but only at specific retailers

-you may play your games but only if you log in every 24 hours if on your own console or once an hour on any other console.

-your "family" members may access your games if they are in a family group and you set them up to share. But this list canny exceed 10 members then only one of them at a time may access the games in the library and only if they log in online every 24 hours on your system or once per hour on a different system.

And it is not clear if these family member accounts have their own independent ownership rights or what happens when more this one copy of a game is placed in a family library, if that is even possible.

This shit is so convoluted it is fucking parody. I can't wait to hear a store employee try to explain it to a parent.

Someone should turn it into a flow chart.
 
Steam doesn't need family plans or gifting games. I like my PC because I keep my games and I don't share them.

Console games I'll give away, sell, and trade. Those platinum hits are usually $10 or $15 overpriced. I go to Amazon and buy a used greatest hits for less. Granted I buy at launch and that rarely happens. Still, its cheaper to buy from places online than it is to wait for an Xbox Sale.

"Hey son, I just bought Halo for the new Xbox" - it probably will never happen.

I wonder if you can set up one account and purchase games with friends. Make it a non-family family plan.
 
I hate how Joe had to say that he wasn't a "Sony Fanboy" because he doesn't the policies Microsoft is choosing to use and is speaking out on it. Some people are overly hostile about the whole thing, both sides of the argument.

Respect to Joe for asking the questions that needed to be asked.
 
What did he write?

All kinds of crazy-ass stuff that seems like he's making an effort to praise things that aren't actually good. I don't think I've ever agreed with anything he's said on this forum. I was going to say something in response to him but I've seen his twitter and he seems real enough to me. Just bad opinions from my point of view.

He's purely an Xbox fanboy. Though I don't know what kind of Xbox fanboy calls Halo 4 "a breath of fresh air" and "the first addictive Halo multiplayer." But maybe he just loves CoD.
 
I found it kinda funny in a sad way that Major Nelson acts as though MS would never cut off servers. When they have a history of doing so, or can I play Halo 2 right now?
 
He said he doesn't know. What more do you want?

Then just leave it at that. There is no reason to try to give evasive lines like "are you a lawyer? are you an analyst? are you a software developer?" as if only those roles can see the relevant problems with the system.
 
7:20

Wow. Joe starts talking about limiting stuff by using DRM because Nelson kept defending his statement with "we don't limit stuff. You can share between family members etc etc" and the PR dude cut Joe off. Around 7:30 he is forced into a new question.
 
One harmless question: I remember what Bish wrote during E3... is Bgamer90 a shill?

Dude is probably the most pro-microsoft user on this forum.

He works harder at spinning things than M.N.

Not by a long shot. He's clearly very MS-pro, but not blatant shill. I've seen some real doozies in the past few weeks.
 
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