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[netBuff]

The Xbox One controller has basically a USB port in it. They can transmit the DD or DTS signal over WiFi Direct easily enough and third parties will just design headsets to accept that signal through the digital port on the controller. Of course, after that the 6 channels get down mixed to stereo to feed the 2 drivers the actual headphones will have. It's a fairly pointless exercise used to market premium products to people who don't know better.

The X1 has better audio hardware than the PS4. You can have 4 controllers on the X1 doing 5.1 audio for each player. The PS4 controller only does stereo. Kinect also has its own audio hardware.

I'm highly sceptical whether this will actually be possible, could you link any source? All I've read so far in regards to this controller ports capabilities mentioned party chat only. I'd be highly surprised if game audio, let alone multiple disjunct game audio streams to multiple controllers, could be transmitted. There seems to be no mention of this controller port being "basically USB" anywhere.

5.1 headsets (like today) will, most likely, continue to use the optical audio port & a proprietary connector for the Xbone and a standard headphone connector for the PS4.

 

[DBT85]

I just visited pirate bay and it seems last of us is working partly.
But yeah i don't think we should continue this discussion here i believe its banable talking about pirating.

I'm sure people with CFW might be able to pirate it, but that doesn't show how easy it is to get CFW on a PS3.

The 360 hosted piracy very early on in its life cycle, I have no idea if that has been eliminated with newer models or firmware or not. To my knowledge the PS4 was piracy free until one very bad point several years into its life, CFW peeps claimed they (Sony) now couldn't shut the door, and then they did. As I said, to my knowledge anyone who updated to a certain firmware then couldn't go back.

Both need to be better next time out.

Talking about piracy and its effect on the industry is fine, being a pirate isn't. Putting CFW on your consoles is fine too.

Interestingly I do wonder if the challenge of making XBONE playable offline, not having to register games etc will encourage the scene to get CFW on it earlier or not. I'm sure they'll try both.

 

[dragonelite]

You said it's easy. The ease of how you find an image dump on a torrent website does not support your argument.

Just answer this, as we're not linking to any infringing material by this: Can I take my fully patched system and play pirated content easily?

That is something i don't know i don't own a ps3 anymore to test it.
Nor do i pirate games anymore so im out of touch with that scene.

I do intend to follow the scene with the X1 and ps4 i have no problems with 1~24 hour check in. But its nice to know if there are back up options like cracked firmware or emulation just in case Microsoft or Sony does pull the plug 15~20 years later. I intend to get full digital library on both console and pc anyway. I don't like the case clutter and game disk getting damaged or lost.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Interestingly I do wonder if the challenge of making XBONE playable offline, not having to register games etc will encourage the scene to get CFW on it earlier or not. I'm sure they'll try both.

Online check in will put a huge target on its back. I really think the hacking community will want to get fully offline play working quite quickly so MS need to have it locked up tight.

 

[Pug]

Pirated games on the 360 are rife in the UK.

 

[gillFTR]

So this thread full of people talking bollox about something they clearly know nothing about is still open...

but the xbox one satisfaction thread thread, which had a great sense of community,is locked.

nice going neogaf.

You mean the thread where the other people who agreed with your views? This thread is a discussion based on a trusted insiders information. The sense of community shouldn't come from the fact you guys support the XBONE(many other forums that do just that), but the from good discussion of games that happens here.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504

I don't know what the story is with CBOAT and the other GAF insiders, it could be they're all getting their info from the same source (CBOAT) and he has been misinformed this time (Rangers said earlier that he has made some mistakes in the past).
Or alternatively, they're all in on some collective troll of GAF and the rest of the gaming interwebz - I'd say they've certainly succeeded if that was their intention

It would be interesting story though, not that I think we'll ever hear how that rumour originated.

Now normally, I would err on the side of caution (and have been until the last day or two).

However, I am in contact with Richard from DF and he has a good source telling him there's no truth to the downclock story nor has he heard anything contradicting that or agreeing with the GAFsiders - and I put him on the trail on the 5th, so he's been looking into it for a while.

Adding to that, I have recently been made aware of who SenjutsuSage's source is and they are pretty damn impressive as far as sources go
His source would definitely be in a position to know - first hand.

So that's good enough for me to be somewhat bullish on this.

Furthermore, we had a post by Dave Baumann here, who works for AMD which implies that since AMD is manufacturing the chips any issues with yields etc would be AMD's issue not MS's
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1745900&postcount=3984

As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

 

[bidguy]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504

yeah i saw it a few hours ago
its known i think

 

[paradise_circus]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504

didn't cboat just mentioned problems with the esram yield?

 

[Iced_Eagle]

didn't cboat just mentioned problems with the esram yield?

Yes.

But as you can see in the thread title, people think it's MS' problem, when in reality it's AMD's problem to solve as they are the ones manufacturing these for MS. If the rumors are true of course.

 

[dragonelite]

didn't cboat just mentioned problems with the esram yield?

Yes i think it was CBOAT that mentioned Esram yeilds.
But i believe thuway and others said potential down clock could happen not sure about it.
Could have been the bait and switch rumor that thuway started.

 

[la flama blanca]

#teamCBOAT

 

[RoboPlato]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

I've always taken the rumor to mean that they were seriously talking about a down clock, not that it was guaranteed to happen. If it was just being floated around conference rooms and wound up not happening, a lot of people wouldn't know about it.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

How is AMD producing these APUs when its fabless?

 

[bishoptl]

The only thing mentioned was

esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

and I didn't see anything from him about downclocking. I'm not going through this whole thread again, though.

 

[DBT85]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

CBoaT only talked about yield iirc. Can't remember where the downclock came from.

As for the yield issue being AMDs problem, surely they wouldn't make 100 chips, throw 60 away and just absorb the cost?

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

The question is, is there a yield problem or is there not? Having a yield problem doesn't necessarily translate into a downclock but supply of the chips will be constrained to an extent.

The question is, if AMD can't provide enough chips due to a yield problem, wouldn't that be MS's problem as well?

 

[AgentP]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

First CBOAT never claimed a down clock. Second the AMD dude has nothing to do with XB1 hardware and made no statement wit any inside knowledge. Frankly what he said makes little sense, of course low yields are MS's issue too, they have to deal with lower quantities and higher prices even if AMD are the ones responsible for the chips.

 

[kitch9]

Yes.

But as you can see in the thread title, people think it's MS' problem, when in reality it's AMD's problem to solve as they are the ones manufacturing these for MS. If the rumors are true of course.

AMD is fabless, they don't make chips.

 

[phosphor112]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

CBOAT never claimed a downclock. He said they had eSRAM issues, nothing more.

 

[dragonelite]

AMD is fabless, they don't make chips.

Arent they the only one together with intel that can order fabs to make x86 chipsets.
I mean intell didn't even license x86 to microsoft in the xbox original time period.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Yes.

But as you can see in the thread title, people think it's MS' problem, when in reality it's AMD's problem to solve as they are the ones manufacturing these for MS. If the rumors are true of course.

Even if that were true, it's irrelevant. Whosever (this isn't a real word, but whatever) problem it is, the end result is still going to cause the same supply constraints.

 

[Ty4on]

How is AMD producing these APUs when its fabless?

GF.

 

[Lord Error]

CBOAT never claimed a downclock. He said they had eSRAM issues, nothing more.

Which is what Senjutsy corroborated. It also seems corroborated by there being so much less available slots for preorders compared to PS4.

 

[statham]

CBOAT never claimed a downclock. He said they had eSRAM issues, nothing more.

yep, I believe it was Thuway that posted that a downgrade and even gave us a number like 300-400 downgrade. Where has he been?

again cboat is the only insider I trust and he never mentioned the downgrade.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

CBOAT said nothing about downclock. I think the high price of the Xbone and retail sources stating low supply are signs that they are not going with the downclock route.

First CBOAT never claimed a down clock. Second the AMD dude has nothing to do with XB1 hardware and made no statement wit any inside knowledge. Frankly what he said makes little sense, of course low yields are MS's issue too, they have to deal with lower quantities and higher prices even if AMD are the ones responsible for the chips.

This.

What does that guy suggest MS should do? Cry about it because it's AMD's "fault"? How would that help anything? It's Microsoft who need to get units to sell.

 

[DBT85]

yep, I believe it was Thuway that posted that a downgrade and even gave us a number like 300-400 downgrade. Where has he been?

Parrot be banned yo. No idea what for.

 

[spwolf]

I've always taken the rumor to mean that they were seriously talking about a down clock, not that it was guaranteed to happen. If it was just being floated around conference rooms and wound up not happening, a lot of people wouldn't know about it.

Looking at that post, AMD doesnt manufacture the chips and in the end does it matter whose fault it is? Even if it is obligation on the part of AMD and not actual fab, if you are late or have issues with it, hardly matters that you can charge someone some penalties for it.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

He does have a pretty much flawless record.

 

[artist]

(Possibility of) Downclock came from thuway, who by the way was the first to break this story.

 

[Raist]

The only thing mentioned was

and I didn't see anything from him about downclocking. I'm not going through this whole thread again, though.

It went from some rumour saying that MS was having trouble with yields therefore they were going to downclock the GPU.

Later on, cbot did confirm the yield issues but never said anything about a downclock.

 

[chubigans]

Parrot be banned yo. No idea what for.

aw what

thurway noooooooooooo

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Was this posted?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748258&postcount=4504



As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

I lurked on B3D a long time, but I quickly figured out they weren't worth my time last console cycle, because I had a good source within IBM who basically showed me they were full of shit.

B3D doesn't know shit, and never has. Compare the leaks and predictions (or lack thereof) of their supposed guys with "sources" to CBOAT (or GAF's 5-6 guys) and it's plain to anyone.

B3D doesn't have "insiders," they have spin doctors who criticize the people who actually do put stuff out there. I'm having a really hard time pointing to one significant story that anyone from B3D broke on this console cycle with their "insider" sources. Everything they talked about seemed to have been regurgitated from somewhere else first. They are all but irrelevant, IMO, AND SURE AS HELL HAVEN'T EARNED THE CREDIBILITY TO CRITICIZE CBOAT.

If you want to know how shot B3D is, just look at that post. The dude drops Rangers' name in there and says he's made some mistakes. That guy Rangers is a fucking joke and nothing but a diehard Xbox fanboy. By GAF standards, he'd have been banned for bullshitting months ago. It's disgraceful, honestly.

There a few guys on B3D that do offer pretty good analysis, but they really aren't breaking any stories with insiders, and you have to pick through a lot of poop to get to any diamonds. Shame that the few good posters have to be lumped in with all the clueless idiots and fanboys.

 

[Spongebob]

Was this posted?

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As much as I like CBOAT, he definitely doesn't have a flawless record. Personally, I would trust someone who works on Digital Foundry and someone who works at AMD over CBOAT.

Funny that he mentions SenjutsuSage when he also claimed that they were having ESRAM yield issues...

 

[bj00rn_]

the xbox one satisfaction thread thread, which had a great sense of community,is locked

They actually locked THAT thread..? My old-school mind is spinning.. The most civil peaceful thread on neogaf.. Oh well..

 

[AznSniper]

Parrot be banned yo. No idea what for.

He bet that FFXV was PS4 exclusive.

 

[Donos]

They actually locked THAT thread..? My old-school mind is spinning.. The most civil peaceful thread on neogaf.. Oh well..

They locked all the "satisfaction" threads. (Wii U, Xbox One , Ps4)

Nirolak:

We decided to lock all satisfaction threads in favor to moving back to game and feature specific threads, especially since we have way more information on each game and service given that E3 is over and news sites have put up stories about everything.

If you feel something you want to talk about doesn't have a thread to talk about it in, simply make one.

charlequin:

We considered all the "satisfaction" threads as a group and decided that, upon consideration, it was clear that as a group they weren't going to contribute positively to the discourse. We're locking all the threads in this category as a group instead of considering them individually; there are better places to talk about anything that's on-topic for any of these threads and we'd prefer you all do so.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

GF.

Noup. Global Foundries are seperate from AMD and they're owned by Mubadala, an UAE goverment fund.
http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/GlobalFoundries

 

[Pristine_Condition]

They actually locked THAT thread..? My old-school mind is spinning.. The most civil peaceful thread on neogaf.. Oh well..

It was a dumb idea to begin with. First, it goes against the policy against megathreads. Second, threads like that are nothing but fanboy v troll arenas.

 

[kitch9]

Arent they the only one together with intel that can order fabs to make x86 chipsets.
I mean intell didn't even license x86 to microsoft in the xbox original time period.

Intel have their own fabs. The X86 thing is complex, but it basically means only Intel and AMD can produce chips using it.

 

[CLEEK]

So the comment on B3D that supposedly stated that MS aren't fabbing the Xbone's SoC:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1745900&postcount=3984

That's doesn't confirm or deny anything.

And the important point is "last time x86 was in a console MS bought an-off the-shelf part from Intel and all the onus on yield was the domain of the supplier." He's referring to the original Xbox, and the fact that MS just bought off the shelf chips, rather than licensing the IP and fabbing them, was the reason they could never introduce cost cutting on the hardware design. So why we never saw cheaper hardware revisions of the Xbox. So part of why the console lost billions for MS.

I don't know what the situation is with MS and fabbing the SoC, but I'd be amazed if they let a 3rd party produce the chips and they just buy them. As it would put them in the same boat as the original Xbox - cost cutting redesigns would be out of their hands.

 

[dr. apocalipsis]

Noup. Global Foundries are seperate from AMD and they're owned by Mubadala, an UAE goverment fund.
http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/GlobalFoundries

You was told right. Usually GB fabs for AMD, except for a few times they worked with TSMC.

AMD is the only company with x86 license from Intel that still active (not sure if VIA is still working on x86 or not), so no other company can design or sell x86 CPU's. So it's safe to assume that AMD will be the one taking care of DIE shrinks or later improvements on the chip (It's not a SOC).

Makes sense for both Sony and MS to reduce expenses doing so.

 

[morpix]

You was told right. Usually GB fabs for AMD, except for a few times they worked with TSMC.

AMD is the only company with x86 license from Intel, so no other company can design or sell x86 CPU's. So it's safe to assume that AMD will be the one taking care of DIE shrinks or later improvements on the chip (It's not a SOC).

Makes sense for both Sony and MS to reduce expenses doing so.

Also solves future BC issues. x86 can just become (actually already is) faster in that thermal envelope.

 

[coldfoot]

If you want to know how shot B3D is, just look at that post. The dude drops Rangers' name in there and says he's made some mistakes. That guy Rangers is a fucking joke and nothing but a diehard Xbox fanboy. By GAF standards, he'd have been banned for bullshitting months ago. It's disgraceful, honestly.

B3D is run by Xbox fanboy mods, so it's to be expected really. Only redeeming thing about that forum is I think the Digital Foundry guy who makes comparisons sometimes posts there. But other than that, stay away.

 

[AgentP]

If you want to know how shot B3D is, just look at that post. The dude drops Rangers' name in there and says he's made some mistakes. That guy Rangers is a fucking joke and nothing but a diehard Xbox fanboy. By GAF standards, he'd have been banned for bullshitting months ago. It's disgraceful, honestly.

There a few guys on B3D that do offer pretty good analysis, but they really aren't breaking any stories with insiders, and you have to pick through a lot of poop to get to any diamonds. Shame that the few good posters have to be lumped in with all the clueless idiots and fanboys.

Rangers did get banned here a few months back, I forget his name here though. The fact that he can run amok along with eastman and a bunch of others is evidence of the mods bias. Did you see the mod BRiT join into the fanboy high five'ing there the other day? That place is a microcosm of a pro-MS world that does not exist anymore , every one else gets bullied into silence or just banned.

 

[Brad Grenz]

The amount of time Xenio was allowed to post unchecked on B3D was disgraceful. It is very difficult to have rational discussions over there right now.

 

[nib95]

He bet that FFXV was PS4 exclusive.

Perma or temp ban?

 

[CLEEK]

B3D is run by Xbox fanboy mods, so it's to be expected really. Only redeeming thing about that forum is I think the Digital Foundry guy who makes comparisons sometimes posts there. But other than that, stay away.

There's a current thread on B3D which is still talking about the 'secret sauce' of the Xbone. The secret sauce being the fact that the GCN architecture of the AMD 7000 series being more efficient than previous AMD cards. But for some reason only applies/benefits the Xbone.

There are some clever folks on there, but like anywhere, the ones that really know what they're talking about don't talk, as they're bound by NDAs and professional obligations. There rest are the Reikos of the world, spouting theories based on poorly understood technical information, and/or fanboy spinning.

 

[seattle6418]

That is the thing. They are not fighting with piracy.

Piracy on current gen consoles is almost non-existent. X360 may have some but PS3 is virtually piracy free and what is most important current gen games didn't sell better than PS2 era games (beside market growth). They errased piracy and games didn't sell millions more like they predicted.

What the fuck are you smoking?

PS3 piracy free?

That's absurd. Not only the homebrew thing exploded in poor countries but it enabled gamers to direct donwload the games, so pirates get the games for free.

I'm Brazilian, and i have many friends who are not as well financially as i am (or/and don't care about online play) and at least 4-5 of them have modded consoles. They download games sometimes in the same week they are released.

Back in the PS1 and 2 days piracy was bigger because:

Consoles were more affordable in those countries and Playstation dominated the market. The only thing different for the 360 piracy situation is that is still uses grey market for bootleg copies.

In a way, it is the PS2 of this gen in latin america because of ease of piracy. Console was hacked just a few months in.

But to say PS3 was piracy free is lunacy.

This strategy has a lot to do with piracy. They know that always online is one of the few things that can keep people from bootlegging games. You can expect them to push devs to use the cloud, just because if they didn't, due to demand, this console would be hacked day one.

with games requiring cloud to work, it makes piracy a lot harder. It's the second time a company tries to fight piracy and ends up doing shit (see N64 and it's stupid cartridges, i never bought their no loading excuse).

To sum up, piracy is still huge in latin america, eastern europe, asia and africa.

 

[commedieu]

Can we stop pretending this is about piracy?

Dec 9th 2011, 14:53 by The Economist online

Video games will be the fastest-growing form of media

OVER the past two decades the video-games business has gone from a cottage industry selling to a few niche customers to a fully grown branch of the entertainment industry. According to PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), a consulting firm, the global video-game market was worth around $56 billion last year, and has grown by over 60% since 2006, when the Nintendo Wii console was launched. The gaming industry is more than twice the size of the recorded-music industry, nearly a quarter more than the magazine business and about three-fifths the size of the film industry. PwC predicts that video games will be the fastest-growing form of media over the next few years, with sales rising to $82 billion by 2015. The biggest market is America, whose consumers this year are expected to spend $14.1 billion on games, mostly on the console variety. Consoles also dominate in Britain, the fifth-largest gaming market. In other parts of Europe, and particularly Germany, PC games are more popular. China has overtaken Japan to become the second-biggest market, and is one of the fastest-growing, with sales rising by 20% last year.

I mean really? And while we are at it, can we stop pretending that videogames are different than DRM for film/video/music? Can we stop pretending that piracy is bankrupting EA, and that any of this is justifiable?