What's a PAB?
Nintendo's Iwata: "I don't recall saying I'd resign."
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What's a PAB?
Father_Brain
Banned
"Has brought," in the past tense, being the key words there. 3DS is doing semi-acceptably, but it's clear that the DS glory days are never coming back. As for Wii, as immensely successful as it was from 2006-2010, it's increasingly clear that its success accomplished little in the long run other than buying Nintendo an extended reprieve from the consequences of all the bad decisions they made in the console market from the GC era on (if not earlier).
Relative to the 9 million Nintendo is projecting, it absolutely will.
It's fascinating how many people continue to seemingly conflate Iwata being personally likeable with being good at his job.
How about we stop inputting contradictory motives to groups of people you don't belong to?
It gets real obnoxious when some try to conflate various indivudal positions on Iwata's failures (those saying he should resign, those saying Nintendo needs to appeal to the hardcore more, those saying Nintendo needs to change their design philosophy, and those saying they should get into mobile games/go 3rd party) into some ungodly schizophrenic anti-Nintendo position that doesn't realize its own contradictions.
It usually says more about you and your attempts at constructing thinly-veiled strawmen than the people you're trying to so broadly generalize.
airmangataosenai
Member
You see it a lot on GAF in threads about Nintendo. It's always difficult to have discussion about their policies because apparently anyone who questions their actions or standing outside of "Marketing" is an idiot.
The Wii U didn't sell badly though last holiday season. It was the months of January-June that what hurt the system with few games to come out.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Has Nintendo already burned through all of the money they made with the Wii and DS? How long did it take Sony to burn through their PS1/PS2 money?
Unless Nintendo has already spent all their last gen money, then Iwata is still a net profit for Nintendo, not a liability.
Unless Nintendo has already spent all their last gen money, then Iwata is still a net profit for Nintendo, not a liability.
Yeah, I know. It's amazing how well it's doing right now. It's only going to get better when there are two other consoles releasing. Wii U will rise to the heavens...
Vermillion
Banned
Yup. Being that he was CEO during the early part of Gamecube's life, that's... 2002 to 2013.
Wii was from 2006 - 2012. Nearly 50% of his career has been supervising relative failures in the home console market (and one huge success), and it'll get worse depending on how Wii U continues to do. It's funny, because that one huge success was surrounded by statements from Iwata and Miyamoto about how complicated console controllers were, and how they were a barrier to people entering gaming. Enter, Wii U Gamepad, which not only has all of the buttons of modern controllers, but a camera, touchscreen, NFC and full motion control. Consistent they are not.
At any rate, the handheld market has done well under his supervision, so.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Wow, Now how silly do some of you look now?
They still have the warchest, they're doing fine right now.
During Wii U's launch and holiday season Nintendo lead with a 2D platformer (New Super Mario Bros U) and a mini-game collection. There was some other stuff but this is where they're focus was. I agree that they were targeting the Wii audience but it had moved on or simply didn't care enough to buy the system at $300 or $350 and the equivalents around the world. Nintendo is how heading into this holiday season with another 2D platformer (that looks very similar to the Wii game and the 3DS pport that just released) and a 3D/2Dish platformer (which looks like the 3DS game and at first glance could be taken as a 2D game by someone that might not be informed) with seemingly no price cut in sight.
It doesn't look very encouraging. One would not be out of line to feel things won't turn around this holiday.
Nintendo can still surprise. They could blanket the airwaves with ads that turns things around. However we don't know that and it's not something they normally do so one can't count on that happening.
fallingdove
Member
Can't tell if serious...
It's tiresome throughout GAF, but it's gotten worse in recent months gaming-side.
People who are critical of Iwata or modern Nintendo may be so for differing reasons and may suggestion differing solutions.
-They may want a different CEO
-They may want a different hardware philosophy (the "go compete with the big boys" crowd)
-They may want Nintendo to change its IP management/creation philosophy
-They may want Nintendo to abandon consoles completely and go third-party
-They may want Nintendo to go mobile
Some of these individuals hold one of these views, others a couple, and some more may subscribe to them all (or ones not even listed). They aren't all on the same page and painting these different factions with some broad, self-contradictory brush is the height of intellectual laziness.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
None of that is going to matter to a large group of people save the last two points. Also, making VC games work on all platforms isn't as simple as flipping a switch. Different platforms have different ways of porting older games. It's not like Nintendo's limiting VC releases on each console just cause.
Nintendo's main problem with the Wii U is they haven't justified the existence of the GamePad yet. With the Wii, Wii Sports was a big success from the get go and they managed to get the average person to really understand motion controls. The interface was also a lot less threatening - it looked like a TV remote and was easily accessible.
The GamePad is a different story. They went back to a less accessible, traditional input device (with a touch screen on it) and haven't been able to make software that truly utilizes the GamePad to it's full extent save for Nintendo Land.
They need to show people why the GamePad is amazing and a brilliant idea. People like me who like having inventory on the GamePad and Off-TV play are not the type of people they need to market the GamePad to.
Despite the fact that Nintendo's stated they aren't happy with the 3DS' momentum outside of Japan, it's still a healthy platform and that part of their business is fine for this year.
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FY3/2013 -36,410Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't know if this necessarily makes anyone look silly here. There's both a language barrier and an issue of semantics at play here that I think makes the initial assumption that Iwata's job was on the line based on those projections, even if you concede that he didn't mean to imply that necessarily, as he's indicating here. But my main point is simply that I don't agree that the expectation that Iwata's job might be on the line was limited strictly to an anti-Nintendo sentiment, or that egg is necessarily on anyone's face here simply because Iwata disagrees with interpretation that he said he might resign.
I think a fall/holiday lineup of Wind Waker/Wii Fit U, Wii U Party/DKCR:TF, and SM3D World could do well IF there is some sort of price reduction on the premium model by November.
If the price is still 300/350, I don't think those games will be enough.
When was the last time Nintendo hit its sales projections?
the opposite is also true
what you said obviously
mugurumakensei
Member
Iwata isn't going unless Yamauchi wants him to go.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Yeah, it's over.
Nintendo is done.
This man will bring all of Nintendo down with his outdated vision of Gaming.
It's over folks, it was a long run but now it's over.
Nintendo is done.
This man will bring all of Nintendo down with his outdated vision of Gaming.
It's over folks, it was a long run but now it's over.
lol
jts
...hate me...
Nuh-uh!
Fox Mulder
Member
If if flops this holiday, they might as well kill it.
I know games are coming, but they have to do something with the price, especially with a vastly more powerful ps4 being only $50 more launching this holiday. The basic WiiU has apparently been discontinued, so the console is now only available at $350.
NotoriousPUG
Member
Good. The more I learn of him, and see his plans in action, the more I want him to stick around. He wants to create unique experiences in the gaming world, and I hope he gets to continue to do so.
Could you be any more vague?
With what statement are you claiming the opposite applies and how? I'm not seeing where an opposite is allowed for.
It is very hard to see how they will sell 9 million with what has been announced. They really needed Mario Kart 8/Wii Sports U bundled in a $250 SKU to stand a chance at 9 million IMO.5- 6 million for the financial year seems more likely (unless they have a big surprise..which is unlikely).
I don't see Mario 3D World and DK being big enough titles to push sales the required amount and Wii Fit U would have to be really special to get that market to bite again.
I do think Mario Kart 8 will give them a good boost over the course of 2014 when launched..although having Smash Bros on the 3DS is going to decrease a chunk of the boost Wii U would have gotten if it was exclusive.
That's why I said this is a GAF-wide (humanity-wide?) problem. Too many people like to think everybody else is some idiot who holds a million contradictory beliefs, which makes it all the easier to dismiss their viewpoint, when in reality that isn't the case.
Steve Youngblood
Member
What is this even in response to?
One of those who knew better from the beginning.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Even if we entertain the absurd idea of Nintendo giving up the enormous advantage of total control on their hardware, they would probably scrap the idea of platforming with amoled touchscreens, despite popular opinion, they didn't go with resistive touchscreens just to be "cheap".
This is incorrect, even the higher initial forecasts of Wiiu sales were lower than the actual initial sales of Wii. People expecting Wii sales levels are delusional.
walking fiend
Member
Awesome, lol
zomgbbqftw
Banned
So I'm guessing their first quarter results are just that bad.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Again, I advise sticking to the topic at hand and not getting personal.
Just so it's clear, I largely argued against porting their software to iOS. I'm not saying you have accused me otherwise, but that's the second time I've seen that one post of mine get quoted, and I just want to make it clear that I'm not arguing that Nintendo is working hard to get Super Mario Bros. up and running on an iPhone.
Just so it's clear, I largely argued against porting their software to iOS. I'm not saying you have accused me otherwise, but that's the second time I've seen that one post of mine get quoted, and I just want to make it clear that I'm not arguing that Nintendo is working hard to get Super Mario Bros. up and running on an iPhone.
walking fiend
Member
Really was it like that though? Merely the fact that 3DS has sold 30m by now, in nearly 2 years, despite all the hurdles handheld gaming has been facing, should have been a sign why he won't resign; and that is excluding the fact that you don't dump the CEO who for a generation made the company the most profitable in the history of gaming industry.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Reading the old thread about Iwata resigning there is a bunch of silliness. Even jumping to conclusion because of mistranslation is silly. If you fail to take that possibility into consideration thats not Iwatas problem.
Completely serious.
SenatorBot
Member
Talking about Virtual console games on IOS/Android. I understand that Nintendo refuses to devalue their IP on another platform. However isn't it a good idea to release a third pillar console that only deals with Virtual console releases?
Make the console like the Ouya, small and with a comfortable controller that's capable of emulating virtual console releases using an account system. The games you purchase on there will work on the 3DS and Wii U if you're willing to pay more to upgrade to a portable or a gamepad screen. This will allow a cheap entry point for a growing number of people who have never played a Nintendo game before and allows them a path to go if they wish to upgrade in the future. With Nintendo's pull with other publishers, this would be essentially an official emulation device that a lot of people are buying android gaming devices to do anyways.
Make the console like the Ouya, small and with a comfortable controller that's capable of emulating virtual console releases using an account system. The games you purchase on there will work on the 3DS and Wii U if you're willing to pay more to upgrade to a portable or a gamepad screen. This will allow a cheap entry point for a growing number of people who have never played a Nintendo game before and allows them a path to go if they wish to upgrade in the future. With Nintendo's pull with other publishers, this would be essentially an official emulation device that a lot of people are buying android gaming devices to do anyways.
Oh I got that, I just wanted to point out the issue with touchscreens and platforming. Nintendo would probably end up with a completely different game.
Actually they did already, with Canvas Curse.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm not discounting that some do have an ax to grind against Nintendo. However, I'm simply cautioning that not everyone who thinks Iwata's job may be in danger is an unreasonable critic of Nintendo. Further, as to your last point, it's important to keep in mind that past accomplishments aren't always taken into consideration when evaluating current and future projections.
And also note that I'm not personally weighing in on whether or not Iwata deserves his job. Personally, I don't have much stake in this issue, as I don't care to guess who might replace him and whether or not their vision would be more prudent. The only reason I've ever argued for being able to see why he might be asked to resign is simply if they continue to miss targets and investors feel that someone needs to answer for it. In this example, I think it would be more of a symbolic move, as opposed to suggesting that Iwata is personally responsible for every bad thing that has happened in the last couple of years.