BlastProcessing
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I am not saying they will do this, but they could push out the necessary OS updates on game disks.
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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I am not saying they will do this, but they could push out the necessary OS updates on game disks.
Sony charging for online gaming makes the online passes redundant, and you're right that the market should be alert whenever any company tries to "Xbone" their customers, this isn't the end but the beginning.
NullPointer
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The more I think about it the less this day one patch makes sense.
I think that is just saying they were always going to have a day one patch and the offline thing is now a part of that.
Even if there is a way to do it they'd never do it. They caved at preorder numbers. They aren't going to do something that would destroy any ounce of positive PR they have, cause people to not buy a new game ever and cause prospective customers to not buy the console. It would be financial suicide for their entire division.
You mean just like RROD?
Oh wait - this wasn't a hardcoded clock - It was simply Microsoft being ok with releasing a faulty product of which they knew a larger percentage would break down...
It's nice to see a publication have an actual opinion on something. They're risking a lot by publishing that piece, so good on them.
Though we still have a ways to go, and any number of things could still happen. Microsoft could still partner up with retailers to offer a subsidized price, they could bring DRM back in some form, Sony could do something dumb, who knows. For right now, though, Sony is still a better deal for me and, it seems, for Edge.
Though we still have a ways to go, and any number of things could still happen. Microsoft could still partner up with retailers to offer a subsidized price, they could bring DRM back in some form, Sony could do something dumb, who knows. For right now, though, Sony is still a better deal for me and, it seems, for Edge.
In that case there was an obvious financial reason for them to do it and then be quiet about it till it couldn't be ignored. It was shitty, but from a business standpoint it made sense. A DRM reversal would be the exact opposite of that.
Majmun
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First impression lasts the longest. I'm sure this EDGE cover would've never existed if MS introduced the X1 as it is in its current state. But MS really tried to nail us with the drm nonsense, and I'm actually glad that the media isn't forgetting about all that.
MS deserves all the shit they're getting because we know what their initial plans were with the console, and how draconian it was. They just had to back down from it because the negative feedback was getting too much.
But their first decisions are still biting them in the ass, and I have a feeling that this negative stigma surrounding the X1 won't fade away anytime soon. The worst thing is that even when the drm plans were laid out, there were still apologist defending those idea's lol.
MS deserves all the shit they're getting because we know what their initial plans were with the console, and how draconian it was. They just had to back down from it because the negative feedback was getting too much.
But their first decisions are still biting them in the ass, and I have a feeling that this negative stigma surrounding the X1 won't fade away anytime soon. The worst thing is that even when the drm plans were laid out, there were still apologist defending those idea's lol.
BRocknRolla
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I would have said the possibility of MS rolling back their DRM policy after weathering a month of being beaten about in the media would have been so "negligible as can be ignored," but at the drop of a hat, MS shifted their whole policy. A policy MS openly stated was essential to their system and could not be reversed, no less.
MS could absolutely pull the another reverse and I would guarantee the EULA you'll button through and agree to upon connecting your Xbox for initial setup will say they have precisely that right. Will they do it? I have no idea. It would certainly be a surprise, but at this point, saying MS is incapable of something seems a bit naive.
I'd take it a step further and say even if someone is interested in those games, they might not be $100 more/less power/mandatory kinect interested.
Launch games are a terrible reason to buy a conole. They are literally some of the the worst games you will get all generation.
I think Xbone is clever but yeah, Titanfall meme doesn't do it for me.
SEGAvangelist
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Who knows how far into production the console was when this change was made, though? Applying a Day One patch seems logical in this case.
Also, I never felt affected by the always online nature of the console, and actually liked the idea of buying retail copies which essentially became digital copies that didn't require disc-swapping and could at least be traded-in to places like Gamestop.
I still think MS should have originally allowed both options (physical discs, plus digial opt-in with different benefits) for gamers, though. To not do this was certainly short-sighted.
I see no reason to put on a tin foil hat, though.
Didnt Sony also say that their policies could change?
Crimson_Gold
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Some are even mad that the DRM is gone because we robbed them of the "family sharing" and the new digital future
There was an obvious financial reason for them to go with their draconian DRM in the first place.
Just reversing it for now doesn't mean it won't come later on if some suit comes to the conclusion this would generate more money in the long run...
ZombiePlatypus
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Edge now with teeth. So good.
Accepting their TOS once booting up the system will give them the power to do whatever they want.
Hatchetforce
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I have to disagree.
Do you really think a billion dollar company that is traded on stockmarkets around the world made a decision like DRM, a policy choice that would have worldwide impact on a major product, in a snap fashion? Do you really think they did not dedicate months or a year or more estimating the likely outcomes in detail? Kaz Hirai strikes me as a very methodical person and I highly doubt the DRM equation was dealt with on the fly.
If you happen to be saying that is not the case and you are only observing that having decided months earlier to go without DRM Sony merely availed themselves of the opportunity of the moment to capitalize upon a public outcry then I do not see the issue. A company would have to be foolish not to do so.
Comedian George Wallace is fond of remarking,
"They say never kick a man when he is down. I say, can you think of a better time?"
Can Crusher
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No matter what console you want to buy, I believe it's indisputable that Sony has presented the PS4 as the much more gamer focused, gamer friendly console. You have pedigree, you have the hardware, the price, the policies.
So I think it's the right thing to do for EDGE, in the sense that as a gaming publication they believe that PS4 should be the gamer's choice. This doesn't mean the Xbox One isn't for gamers.
So I think it's the right thing to do for EDGE, in the sense that as a gaming publication they believe that PS4 should be the gamer's choice. This doesn't mean the Xbox One isn't for gamers.
GoofsterStud
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We have some of the same people arguing in other threads that the Xbox One hardware isn't finalized. >.> This is just silly.
Your absolutely right Vernia.
Of course they did. The point of the campaign was to push them just a bit further towards not using whatever DRM plans they had, and it went well beyond that and became a united cry against DRM for both Sony and MS. Sony would have been stupid not to use it to their advantage.
I'm fairly certain Sony knows what will happen if they force people into DRM policies similar to MS. They've made their bed with their DRM stance. Same goes for MS now that they've reversed, but there is room for doubt with them because they've already tried it.
mr teaspoon
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No, I don't think it is. Look at the backlash Microsoft got just a month after announcing the thing. To suddenly change restrictions mid-gen would be a PR nuclear apocalypse. The most we should realistically expect is that Microsoft will introduce an opt-in DRM system in a few years.
Majmun
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Yeah, I remember there were even threads created where people asked for the DRM to return or wanted it to become and option. LMAO
I mean, wtf. Some people just like to see the world burn.
GoofsterStud
Member
Yeah it's called a "neccessary" firmware update to play new games.
Just like Sony removed Linux.
It's perfectly legal.
Andronicus
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the fact that there is a day one patch to change the DRM & Offline system functions in xbone means nothing? c'mon son
captscience
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Why is it so hard for people to understand that proper journalism can incorporate judgement? Pretending that both sides of every argument is equal is in itself a form of bias.
The gold standard of product review publications, Consumer Reports, entire raison d'etre is to recommend one product over similar ones. Are they somehow always biased?
If you've watched or listened to a single thing Shu, Jack, Mark, Andy, Jon, Matt, Jim, Michael, Andrew and others have behaved and talked about this year, you could never have made that statement.
I used to cringe at Sony interviews between 2004-2011. I'm actually taken aback at how frank, open, humble and excited Sony has been this year.
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bishopcruz
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And they keep dropping.
Interesting cover, very much want to read the story once it's out digitally, do you NEED an idevice to access it? Or are there other options. I'm android myself.
As far as MS's screwups. While I applaud them for dropping the DRM, that wasn't the only thing that drew me to PS4 as my main as opposed to the x1. Fact is MS has spent years treating the hardcore base as 3nd class citizens, and kept hemorrhaging exclusives left and right. Add on the fact that PC is now my platform of choice for Multiplats, the $100 premium and the fact that PS+ gives me games for 3 systems one the PS4 launches, and that's that.
I will probably get one eventually now that the DRM is gone, but no one since Sega has done this amazing a job of killing its goodwill with the fanbase.
NullPointer
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Truth and wisdom right here.
SEGAvangelist
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None of their reasoning is on the cover of the magazine, though. It's just an empty, opinionated statement to get people to open the magazine. Most people won't even read the magazine, but instead remember the cover.
Crimson_Gold
Member
It'd be eased back in with the "positives" of the DRM policy. They'll talk about your digital library, ability to play your games on any X1, and so on. Some people will flock to it. Then there will be the Cloud only games that will gain support. The most important cog will be that in about 2-3 years after launch, many will feel too invested to leave.
I think they had multiple scenarios to follow and when MS released the details of their plans and the public opinion went south they enacted plan 2.
MS is also a multibillion dollar company, I would love to know why they wanted to implement this system at all if they did not have assurances. The money they made from it does not seem anywhere near worth it. They must have known people would have been against it (although I doubt they expected how much)
Concerning the OP, I have to agree that showing such a "bias" on a neutral publication is bizarre. I guess they are hedging their bets of how next gen will go.
GoofsterStud
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I doubt anyone thinks Sony is innocent.
After the Class Action Lawsuit against there music CD DRM that hurt them big time... Nobody can say they are innocent. They are just more cautious and are not currently cocky enough to try that again. In fact, a repeat could be the downfall of Sony.
It's that Class Action Lawsuit that saved us.
mr teaspoon
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I'm not arguing that it's illegal, I'm arguing that it'd be unthinkable from a PR standpoint. With the DRM-backlash precedent, there is no way in hell Microsoft would ever consider suddenly switching mid-gen from a 'just like 360' system to anything resembling their original DRM restrictions. It just will not happen. The perfect storm of incompetence that led to the botched Xbone reveal doesn't begin to approach the kind of idiocy that it'd take to actually propose that.
Again, the most we will see is an opt-in DRM system where Microsoft does what they should have done in the first place and focus on the positives of making the switch.
SEGAvangelist
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Backwards compatibility too, though it wasn't quite like Linux which was removed in an actual firmware update, lol.
Uno Venova
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At least this thread is doing some nice forum cleanup.
Hopefully in the future someone offers up something other than their gut feeling on this subject.
This poor fellow seems to have an exposed nerve whenever anything negative about MS gets brought up. It's usually dressed up in some psudo intellectual clothing, but the jist is always the same.
GoofsterStud
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There is a lot of unthinkable things from a PR standpoint Microsoft has done lately.
That's the problem.
Lucent
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I'm more upset about removing the PS2 b/c. I really wouldn't have minded at least giving us an add-on of some sort. Persona 4 looked awesome emulated through the PS3.
The Linux thing I don't know much about. I used Linux some this past semester and it seems like something I could get into but I dunno how hardcore I'd be into it.
SEGAvangelist
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Exactly. If anything, Sony would be more likely to suddenly turn on DRM since their reputation is now stronger, and Sony's likelihood of doing this is zero.
See the thing is people are always accusing game journalists ( and even devs) of being "paid off" at anything remotely positive about the X1. So it's kinda funny watching people congratulate Edge for basically trying to Sell people a PS4. This is an article i would've seen in PSM. I don't like seeing them take anyone's side. Just report what the fuck is going on and let the consumers decide for themselves. Want to go on an anti xbox tirade? That's what editorials are for.
iamshadowlark
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The XB1 and MS' approach was such an anti consumer, fuck you pay me preposition not 3 weeks ago that it deserves alot of the ridicule and ill will it gets. Meanwhile it's getting harder and harder to pinpoint somewhere where Sony has fucked up, especially in relation to the Xbone.
It's pretty hard to see where the shock and outrage comes from. Edge writes for gamers.Nobody, in any industry, in any form of media gets an amnesty pass for such behavior.
It's pretty hard to see where the shock and outrage comes from. Edge writes for gamers.Nobody, in any industry, in any form of media gets an amnesty pass for such behavior.
BRocknRolla
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Once MS develops a userbase it will be far easier for them to introduce a DRM system and have people accept it. If it, let's say 3 years from now and only effects new games, what are users going to do? Stop using their Xbox? No, they'll swallow whatever new policies are introduced because they're already invested in the console. Make no mistake, I don't think MS is going to go, "Guess what guys? DRM IS BAAAAAAAAACK!" They'll couch it in a "family plan" and the necessity of "cloud" support or some other marketing-speak. As digital becomes more popular, it will become easier to shift the rights toward MS's control. MS simply tried to force it too early when people still had a strong position from which to defend themselves.
We'll see the return of strict DRM with a new face. Hopefully by then we'll have done a better job of defining our digital rights so we can to fight back.
helipilot22
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but the DRM will still be there DAY 1 waiting to be patched to sleep - then waiting to be patched to wake up again at a later date.
In fact its worse than this, now sony is charging for online multiplayer aswell as MS, both business models need to be very close to each other to work, drm on xbone is coming no doubt and on sonys machine aswell roughly end of the 1/4 next gen cycle, book mark this shit.
In fact its worse than this, now sony is charging for online multiplayer aswell as MS, both business models need to be very close to each other to work, drm on xbone is coming no doubt and on sonys machine aswell roughly end of the 1/4 next gen cycle, book mark this shit.
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