Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)

I recall a previous blog post that stated "we're listening" during the DRM sturm und drang. Then MS doubled-down on their DRM strategy during E3. It wasn't until afterwards when preorder numbers started flowing in that things changed.

Blog postings do not carry the weight that you seem to believe they do.

Is there confirmation that the reversal was caused by preorder numbers or is that just the general belief that's been parroted enough that it's become a fact?

I'm not sure if we ever had any numbers outside of Amazon speculation or if someone like CheapyD or someone at a retailer leaked some numbers. Or did someone like CBOAT leak it?
 
EDGE are just calling it as they see it. Not only do they recognise that Microsoft have done almost everything wrong so far, they are also recognising that Sony have done almost everything right -as of now, which they clearly state on the cover.

Microsoft promised to bring it with a massive line up of games at E3, and to a point they did, but Sony swept them aside with less ammunition and less effort and that arguably resulted in Microsoft abandoning their entire online strategy for the Xbone. Recognising that isn't bias, its clarity.

I think Edge is saying whats popular in order to get more subscribers. Look at how many people here want to subscribe now that they said something like that they want to hear.

Whats with all the double-minded people who pokes fun of gaming journalism until something is said that's to their liking
 
I'm not sure if we ever had any numbers outside of Amazon speculation or if someone like CheapyD or someone at a retailer leaked some numbers. Or did someone like CBOAT leak it?
I know of leaked numbers from GAME in the UK (one area) in addition to the various retail musings.
 
because the exclusives will always be there down the road... after a price drop.

in the meantime you are basically relegating yourself to inferior versions of every multi-platform title (whether by a little or a lot).

unless of course you are buying those on a PC.. but for those almost exclusively gaming on a console, PS4 for exclusives and multi-plats at the start of the generation and XBONE down the road for exclusives honestly makes the most objective sense. You save the most money ($100 now, $xxx on the console and the Platinum Hits in the future), play the best versions of multi-plats and still get the XBONE exclusives down the road.
The argument about multiplat games being better on ps4 isnt as simple as CPU and RAM. Madden, cod and battlefield online modes with live is a lock for many.
 
Is there confirmation that the reversal was caused by preorder numbers or is that just the general belief that's been parroted enough that it's become a fact?

I'm not sure if we ever had any numbers outside of Amazon speculation or if someone like CheapyD or someone at a retailer leaked some numbers. Or did someone like CBOAT leak it?

I think even CheapyD said that the ratio was something like 3 or 4 to 1 in favor of PS4. It's common belief because it's what makes the most sense. Pre-orders went up the week during E3 and Microsoft wouldn't have gotten early word until the weekend or Monday morning when they decided to drop DRM.
 
I want mention another thing that MS is doing wrong with the Xbone (and 360). Proprietary bullshit hardware that costs $$$! I think this gets overlooked a lot, but MS definitely needs to be beat over the head for fucking the consumer with overpriced proprietary hardware.

So let's say I want to upgrade my hard drive hard drive on my 360. Can I go and buy a standard PC hard drive? Oh shit... I can't. I have to pay DOUBLE/TRIPLE the amount VS an off the shelf PC solution. Why? It is another way for MS to fuck the consumer.

Remember when the original 360 came out? If you wanted to get a bigger hard drive, a wifi adapter, a wireless charge kit for the controllers(TWO if you have two controllers), a HD-DVD player (lol), etc. all of that would cost you an additional 100-300 dollars on top of your console.

They are still going with the proprietary bullshit on the Xbone, so this hasn't changed. They absolutely need to be bashed.
 
WTH?

Yes. Do I want Sony to have competition? Yes. I want Sony pushed. I want the market as a whole to be innovative and grow. i do not want the policies that MS was pushing to become the norm.

Pretty much, Sony was alright when they dominated with the PS1/PS2 (okay PS2 led to PS3 arrogance, but they still supported the PS2 the same way they're supporting the PS3 now), but then you have things like Sony charging for online play which would have kicked up much more of a fuss than it did because Microsoft got away with it being the norm for years for example.
 
Just wanted to clear this misconception up since this was a question that Phil Spencer recently answered at an intern event. Since they are retooling the system to use discs just like it did on the 360, this fundamentally changes how they handle verification of ownership. It also means that no policy change would ever affect your rights to play games from physical discs. So if you are worried about any of that stuff, buy physical (the same is true of any platform).

There is way too much FUD being spread around right now.

They should just go balls deep and guarantee this won't be changed and be done with it. Which they refuse to do....
 
I think Edge is saying whats popular in order to get more subscribers. Look at how many people here want to subscribe now that they said something like that they want to hear.

Whats with all the double-minded people who pokes fun of gaming journalism until something is said that's to their liking

It has nothing to do with suddenly liking journalists. A broken clock is right twice a day and this cover by EDGE is simply those broken hands lining up with reality.
 
The argument about multiplat games being better on ps4 isnt as simple as CPU and RAM. Madden, cod and battlefield online modes with live is a lock for meand my handful of gamer friends.

edit: never mind, misread your comment.
 
The argument about multiplat games being better on ps4 isnt as simple as CPU and RAM. Madden, cod and battlefield online modes with live is a lock for many.
Hey ari, you overlooked this post:

How so?

Three weeks ago, DRM was an essential element of the Xbox One package. This is inarguable. Now it's been removed, with a caveat that MS can change their mind on policy at any time in the future.

How is a concern that DRM may be reintroduced in the future - based on concrete evidence that this was the route they wanted to take initially - fear mongering, exactly?

I'd love to hear your take on this.
 
The argument about multiplat games being better on ps4 isnt as simple as CPU and RAM. Madden, cod and battlefield online modes with live is a lock for many.
I understand this, but only when considering current gen. PS4 has cross-game chat and a party system right? Why do you think MS will still have the advantage online? Just curious if this is based upon feature-sets or announcements, or purely because it felt right during the 360 era.
 
The argument about multiplat games being better on ps4 isnt as simple as CPU and RAM. Madden, cod and battlefield online modes with live is a lock for many.

It depends really, if everyone's friends is going to buy a PS4, then there's no reason why they wouldn't migrate especially if the console itself is cheaper, it's not like requiring PS+ to play those games online is going to be a turn off.
 
I'm missing the controversy here to be honest. They are saying exactly what I am thinking. And a LOT of you guys were thinking the same, it was obvious, and still is.


So they are saying whats on their mind, and being drug across the coals for not being corporate and professional enough, then on the flipside, we sometimes criticize these media outlets for NOT covering the #NoDRM thing the way they should.

Walking the tightrope of being straightforward opinionated and frank, while also being super professional and corporate seems a little impossible when we keep getting outraged over little shit like this. I just don't understand where the middle ground is here anymore. I wouldn't blink an eye if their next issue shit all over the WiiU and its library thusfar. It would be TRUE, just like this cover is.... MS nearly destroyed themselves here, and they have been clawing and redacting like crazy to try and undo it all. It was a catastrophe.
 
So tired of that FUD about Sony's DRM post-E3 from so-called journalists. It's exactly the same as it is on the PS3. If a publisher wants to make an always online game, they can. They're going to have to run the servers and authentication system, though.

It was a strange couple of days. In the end Sony made it clear that single player games will not be touched by DRM in any way, and that they have no ability to tell third parties they can't put DRM in online MP or online games if they want to - but after the whole debacle with MS, I'd imagine all third parties are wary of doing so.
 
lol pretty shameful, if you ask me. It's completely counter to what their job is suppose to be as a supposed magazine for gamers. It's one thing to criticize the errors and missteps of one platform while complimenting the successes of another, but to delve into the territory of open promotion and "seeming" all out assault on one or the other is a joke, and makes them no better than your average forum troll. What is that saying to people who see and want games that only exist on the Xbox One? What is this saying to people who enjoy Xbox Live or the services Microsoft offers? It's saying that you can't take edge seriously, and there is no clearer sign that they don't speak in an impartial manner for all gamers.

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Are you saying Edge just shot themselves in the foot?
 
We all have preferences. I will openly admit that I prefer PlayStation to MS and Nintendo offerings. Do I want Sony to do well? Yes. Do I want Sony to have competition? Yes. I want Sony pushed.

Same here, but MS are going to have there work cut out to be competitive, they really need to get the price point of the XBone close to the price point of the PS4 to stand a chance.
 
MS and sony cooked it all up together so sony could start charging for online. Then u turn but still MS hold some tasty timed exclusives that the taste makers/ early suckers will rant on about sucking the rest into buying an xbone, then 2/3 years down the road both will switch on the drm, and we have to pay for online from both to boot.
 
Pretty much, Sony was alright when they dominated with the PS1/PS2 (okay PS2 led to PS3 arrogance, but they still supported the PS2 the same way they're supporting the PS3 now), but then you have things like Sony charging for online play which would have kicked up much more of a fuss than it did because Microsoft got away with it being the norm for years for example.

I'm one of those that already had subscribed to PS+, I even pay for my brother's subscription, but I wasn't happy to see online go behind the paywall. The only thing that I could see justifying this is a service that has dedicated servers and other features. I know really the charge is going to be used to improve PSN and for profits. I wish I hadn't fallen in love with PS+. The service has been too good....

Same here, but MS are going to have there work cut out to be competitive, they really need to get the price point of the XBone close to the price point of the PS4 to stand a chance.

I don't see this happening. They invested too much in the kinect to make it a side peripheral. They really can't afford to take much of a loss either. Both Sony and MS need their gaming divisions to be profitable going forward.
 
If Edge did something similar with the Xbox One, I'm sure a lot of you guys would call it moneyhatting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm much more interested in the PS4, but I'm just putting that out there. I don't think it's wise for a magazine to do this unless there is some kind of ad revenue involved.
 
You're misunderstanding me, I never suggested that blog posts are legally binding and I clarified that point.

Just because somebody said it one time on a blog doesn't make it ironclad, of course. But as I said earlier, I think most of us can agree that what happened here with the 180 is pretty huge and unheard of. Microsoft introduced a policy and it was utterly destroyed, and the company had to publicly renounce all of these plans. I hold the 180 blog post up simply because it's the 'treaty that ended the war'. Consumers have it in writing that Microsoft acknowledges these policies are unpopular and you can safely go buy their product knowing you won't have to deal with those features. Maybe it doesn't stand up in court, but I think that it makes a surprise switcheroo that much more unthinkable.

I agree. I think microsoft would be pretty much insane to flip this again this gen. But, at the same time, I totally understand why people don't trust them. Microsoft dug their own grave there.
 
I am missing the part that says "Disc-based games will not be restricted in any form ever."

Maybe I am missing it.

They say it - not word for word though, i'll grant.

Kotaku said:
Tretton: "Any game that is made for PS4 that is physical goods, whether first-party or third-party, can go into a PS4 and play regardless of where it came from. The first player will play it, no problem, the second player will play it, no problem. What I was referring to was the online proposition."

There you go, from the Kotaku article I linked. Disc-based games will not be restricted in any form ever. The online portion of a game may be by third parties, but I've given my thoughts on that in a post above.
 
They should just go balls deep and guarantee this won't be changed and be done with it. Which they refuse to do....

That's what I'm saying. Phil guaranteed that there will never be 24 hour checks, etc. implemented at a later date, and that even if they wanted to, they couldn't due to the way they are retooling the system.
 
I've got to be honest...I don't see the "bias" here...I can see how it could be interpreted as bias however...

I think as an "unbiased" publication for gamers, it is edge's (and any other publication for that matter) duty to report the honest TRUTH. Reporting truths and facts does not mean that each side gets the same treatment, it means that each side is treated the way they deserve to be treated.
 
They say it - not word for word though, i'll grant.



There you go, from the Kotaku article I linked. Disc-based games will not be restricted in any form ever. The online portion of a game may be by third parties, but I've given my thoughts on that in a post above.

So they didnt say never. In fact Jack Ryan said that anything is possible in the future.
 
How do you know its "bias"?

Is it because it might be different than your opinion.

Basically. In this case it's subjective.

EDGE has a point even post DRM-gate. Some on here were on board from the get go and their opinion never flinched but for the rest of us with some common sense, MSFT made some serious mistakes.

The MSFT we're seeing right now is the same one that has blundered the last 3-4 years. They don't get a free pass. They just happened to have made some big mistakes with Xbone that really leaves bad taste.
 
What planet are we on? Why would it not be within a credible magazine's mandate to editorialize? These are not paid advertisements - contrary to what games journalisms history would lead you to believe. The authors of a publication have absolutely every right to offer their opinion, and in fact, I'd say a duty to do so, which is why we're asking and paying for it.

What's surprising about this is the ENTIRE publication is presenting itself as united behind this, but it's probably a testament to how the editor-in-chief feels about the issue, and the direction he wants Edge to take.

Also, we're talking about it. And magazines have been sold. Ultimately, his job is done. N'est pas?
 
While I dont plan on buying an xbone any time soon, this is scummy and supports the view that gaming journalism is petty, unprofessional, sensationalist and ultimately illegitimate.

If the opposite were on the cover there would already be a Twitter based protest/boycott.

This thread makes me sad.
 
That's what I'm saying. Phil guaranteed that there will never be 24 hour checks, etc. implemented at a later date, and that even if they wanted to, they couldn't due to the way they are retooling the system.

link?

While I dont plan on buying an xbone any time soon, this is scummy and supports the view that gaming journalism is petty, unprofessional, sensationalist and ultimately illegitimate.

If the opposite were on the cover there would already be a Twitter based protest/boycott.

This thread makes me sad.

How is a publication taking a position scummy? Just because someone comes to a conclusion doesn't mean that they are tainted by bias. Bias is just as likely to cause someone to not take a position. Taking a view from nowhere isn't useful to anyone.
 
Not seeing this as surprising.

1. it was probably written before MS changed their DRM/Check-in policy
2. Edge is a EU Mag and EU is a region where the PS is the dominant platform.

So to me this should not be blowing anyone's mind. That said, cant wait to read their write up!
 
So you're going to cling to that in your absolute belief that Sony's going to implement DRM a la Microsoft. Ok.

What? I am responding to someone that said Sony said "Disc-based games will not be restricted in any form ever." Ever? I wanted to know if Sony really said that and he still has not shown me where it was said.
 
Not seeing this as surprising.

1. it was probably written before MS changed their DRM/Check-in policy
2. Edge is a EU Mag and EU is a region where the PS is the dominant platform.

So to me this should not be blowing anyone's mind. That said, cant wait to read their write up!

Edge is a uk mag where 360 is the best selling console this gen
 
If Edge did something similar with the Xbox One, I'm sure a lot of you guys would call it moneyhatting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm much more interested in the PS4, but I'm just putting that out there. I don't think it's wise for a magazine to do this unless there is some kind of ad revenue involved.
No. I'd call them Edge being Edge.

I'm actually quite surprised about this cover.
 
Just wanted to clear this misconception up since this was a question that Phil Spencer recently answered at an intern event. Since they are retooling the system to use discs just like it did on the 360, this fundamentally changes how they handle verification of ownership. It also means that no policy change would ever affect your rights to play games from physical discs. So if you are worried about any of that stuff, buy physical (the same is true of any platform).

There is way too much FUD being spread around right now.

You know the bolded bit is nonsense, right?

The changes to the Xbone OS to allow disc-in-drive authentication is a software thing. Specifically, it's a firmware change. So something that can easily be reversed at a later date if MS decided.

From a business perspective, I think there is little to no chance of them reversing their reversal. But technically they can do this.
 
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