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[HK-47]

I see a lot of people want to laugh at Nintendo more than they want to try to get them to change this decision.

Now I understand how people get drawn into defending things like this.

They laugh because there is little chance this will change. Nintendo isnt exactly a known for their community outreach or support. All you can do is spam twitter and facebook.

And frankly, Nintendo deserves to be laughed at. Its just the latest in a string of stupid decisions regarding their fanbase.

 

[Refreshment.01]

Just because you are smart doesnt mean you cant royally screw or not understand things that seems obvious to others.

True, but smart people tend to not fall so easily in that trap. Even less when we talk about busyness and what's good for it. People even trade believes for cash XD

 

[Ravidrath]

What the heck!? This is awful! I can't see any possible reason for NoA to do this.

I wonder if people would protest enough they'd change their minds.

Well, even if Nintendo reverses their decision on this, it's probably too late for Evo to change the stream schedule again.

If Nintendo had pulled this a few weeks ago, that would be one thing, but Evo's only three days away now.

 

[enzo_gt]

Unbelievably short-sighted and stupid, even by Nintendo standards.

I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."

Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.

I see no reason to point at NoJ instead of NoA in these circumstances for this particular instance, despite the company-wide issue this reflects on.

Thanks for trying to help though.

 

[MEsoJD]

It's nonsensical actions like this that makes me think Nintendo needs new blood/leadership. Seriously they've been dicks lately.

 

[freenudemacusers]

http://nation.time.com/2013/07/09/largest-nevada-fires-still-growing-near-vegas-reno/

they will never let vegas burn.

reno, however...

 

[Hex]

Unbelievably short-sighted and stupid, even by Nintendo standards.

I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."

Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.

Until Reggie and NOA learns to stand up to NOJ there will never be any progress, so Reggie and crew HAVE to take blame and have to accept a good part of the responsibility for everything that has been happening.
They can not play the part of yes men which is all that they have been doing.
If they are not capable of it, than someone needs to be put into place in NOA who will.
We see the turn around at SONY and this is only because the NIPPON era has been rattled and the west has been allowed to show speak.

 

[LoftyTheMetroid]

In contrast to a large portion of NeoGAF, I usually agree with a lot of Nintendo's philosophies and decisions. However, I absolutely agree that this is silly and ridiculous.

Everyone seems to be quoting it, so I'll do the same:

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

Agree 100%.

That said, it does seem a little silly that an event as large as EVO isn't more meticulous with this sort of thing. Do they not have lawyers to ensure everything is in order? I would have thought this would have been an obvious thing to check.

But even if they didn't file the right paperwork, NoA would be stupid to not give EVO a pass. Not only does it act as a force of goodwill and advertising, they don't exactly have the most favorable position (both in terms of business and public opinion among fans) to be able to afford a move like this.

I do think Nintendo will bend, though. There is already so much outcry. They reversed their (also silly) LP YouTube policy, I think it's fairly likely they'll do the same here. (Doesn't make it any less stupid or damaging at the moment, though.)

 

[thecouncil]

...theyre kiddin' me, right?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Reading some Confidential LICENSE AGREEMENT it seems the problem lies with the stricts guidelines about use of copyright material, they can be only used in America by NoA, or NoA sponsored events.

So in effect: because the stream is not region locked.

 

[pvpness]

Archaic policy. Needs to be updated to reflect modern times.

While we're calling that out, I'd like to point out that the NFL should stream their games on YouTube as well. I hate going to the fucking bar to catch Bears games.Same with Game of Thrones while we're at it. I hate HBO Go and don't want to use it, that shit should be streamed on YouTube.

 

[Keyouta]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

It's incredible that they do not see how much great advertisement they could be using EVO for, I do not understand their decisions in the slightest.

How high up the chain did the command to revoke streaming at EVO come from, I wonder?

 

[Triple Da G.O.D!]

Capcom releases a Marvel patch that bricks all PS3s.

Would this patch unlock SWAGNETO before the PS3 bricks?

 

[prwxv3]

I expect Sod's Law to happen to Nintendo soon enough. They'll end up finally fixing a lot of their medieval ways only for people to just hand wave it away and completely dismiss their achievement.

For me, personally, this is the deep rooted problem...

Yoshihiro Mori, 68
Masaharu Matsumoto, 71
Eiichi Suzuki, 63
Shigeru Miyamoto, 61
Genyo Takeda, 64
Nobuo Nagai, 68
Kaoru Takemura, 67
Tatsumi Kimishima, 63
Shinji Hatano, 71

...a talented band of merry old men with their medieval "We must reinvent the wheel" ways.

They could really benefit from having a guy like yoshida. He did some things completely against Sony's old Japanese corporate culture during the times when Sony had it. He is the guy that gave the very first PS1 dev kit to a western team when they were only for Japanese teams at the time and he recognized mark cerny's potential, then helped nurture him into a very good relationship with Sony.

 

[Ravidrath]

I see no reason to point at NoJ instead of NoA in these circumstances for this particular instance, despite the company-wide issue this reflects on.

Thanks for trying to help though.

Well, the other thing about "YouTube being a pirate site" was entirely from the Japanese side, and ultimately they call the shots.

Pretty much everything at Japanese companies is dictated from Japan, and everything has to be done with their approval. It's why a lot of people in the industry don't want to work for them.

Until Reggie and NOA learns to stand up to NOJ there will never be any progress, so Reggie and crew HAVE to take blame and have to accept a good part of the responsibility for everything that has been happening.
They can not play the part of yes men which is all that they have been doing.
If they are not capable of it, than someone needs to be put into place in NOA who will.
We see the turn around at SONY and this is only because the NIPPON era has been rattled and the west has been allowed to show speak.

This isn't really how reality works. They could just end up removing Reggie for "standing up" and replace them with a more willing puppet.

I would imagine that their reversal on the Let's Play thing was, in fact, because of Reggie and people changing Japan's mind on it, though. For all we know, Reggie may not have any direct control over the legal department under their organization - he's really more of a marketing guy.

 

[Bulbagarden]

The real question we should all be asking here is who at Nintendo actually made this decision. I'm inclined to think this is not a decision being made by either management or the marketing department, and I'd be surprised if either of them were consulted in the first place. What we have here seems to be a legal department run amok. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that legal made this decision independently, and didn't even see the need to confer with other departments over what they saw as "blatant infringement". Did they recently hire a bunch of people who used to work for the RIAA or MPAA or something? I'd expect this kind of boneheaded legal kneejerk from them.

 

[FyreWulff]

I see no reason to point at NoJ instead of NoA in these circumstances for this particular instance, despite the company-wide issue this reflects on.

Thanks for trying to help though.

NoJ makes the decisions. NoA, NoE, and NoC are arms of NoJ in other countries.

They have NO autonomy, and I can almost guarantee you this was a decision made by NoJ.

 

[SolarPowered]

http://nation.time.com/2013/07/09/largest-nevada-fires-still-growing-near-vegas-reno/

Dat climate change

Capcom releases a Marvel patch that bricks all PS3s.

You mean a SFIV or SFxT patch. Capcom wouldn't patch Mahvel even if the game were on it's deathbed lol.

Until Reggie and NOA learns to stand up to NOJ there will never be any progress, so Reggie and crew HAVE to take blame and have to accept a good part of the responsibility for everything that has been happening.
They can not play the part of yes men which is all that they have been doing.
If they are not capable of it, than someone needs to be put into place in NOA who will.
We see the turn around at SONY and this is only because the NIPPON era has been rattled and the west has been allowed to show speak.

You don't bite the hand that feeds... your entire family.

 

[El Sloth]

I was told by a former PR person for Nintendo that they viewed YouTube as a giant pirate site, and wanted everything related to Nintendo pulled off of it. Not only did they think this was a good idea, but that this was actually possible, too. So that's the mindset we're dealing with here.

They just don't seem to get this whole internet thing. It's like they are more interested in the tiny amount of revenue people may be generating off of their content than the millions' worth of free advertising their users generate for them.

And I do think that's what it comes down to for them, like with the Let's Play thing. They see a quantifiable amount of money being made off of their products compared to an unquantifiable marketing benefit.

I don't think it takes much thinking to realize that millions of positive impressions of your game is worth more than the pennies of YouTube revenue, but this is old-world thinking we're dealing with here.

Hahahaha, what? Wow. This is 2013 and they really still don't get it. And by "they" I mean the heads of NoJ. It's literal free marketing. What revenue do they think they're losing out on, it's not like they'll start producing vast number of Let's Plays in all kinds of languages themselves. Think of all the tiny devs that would absolutely kill to get their games covered even a fraction of what nintendo games get from the big Let's Play channels. So ridiculous.

Being an executive of NoA or NoE must be an excercise in not constantly smacking your face with your palm.

 

[ZenTzen]

well i'm happy about this, more time to watch KOF and P4 and now KOF finals arent at that stupid time

sucks for the smash stream monsters

 

[Madao]

so, how many are not gonna buy SSB4 after this incident?

 

[SerRodrik]

Wow, this is baffling on many, many levels, but the thing that gets me the most is that people donated money to get the game in. To charity, no less!

 

[Exile20]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

Makes too much sense.

 

[TunaLover]

I see no reason to point at NoJ instead of NoA in these circumstances for this particular instance, despite the company-wide issue this reflects on.

Thanks for trying to help though.

It's true though, all the guidelines NoA and NoE works on were created in NCL first, waaaaay beforehand.

 

[Jintor]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

A+

 

[notworksafe]

so, how many are not gonna buy SSB4 after this incident?

0

 

[DaBoss]

NoJ makes the decisions. NoA, NoE, and NoC are arms of NoJ in other countries.

They have NO autonomy, and I can almost guarantee you this was a decision made by NoJ.

They aren't complete puppets. They will definitely be able to have control over their own region's legal matters. NoA's legal team is being absolutely stupid with this idiotic decision.

 

[ZenTzen]

Wow, this is baffling on many, many levels, but the thing that gets me the most is that people donated money to get the game in. To charity, no less!

game is still in and its still part of the tourney, it just isnt gonna be streamed

 

[Cbajd5]

Did they recently hire a bunch of people who used to work for the RIAA or MPAA or something?

Of course not, they all work for the government now.

heh

 

[Ferrio]

so, how many are not gonna buy SSB4 after this incident?

0.

Seriously, Nintendo fans are the sheepiest of the sheep. Sad but true.

 

[Kokonoe]

Wow, this is baffling on many, many levels, but the thing that gets me the most is that people donated money to get the game in. To charity, no less!

I donated, and I don't regret it at all, I feel sorry for the people who actually were practicing, planning rides and purchasing plane tickets to go across the world just to compete only for this to happen and crush everything.

Nintendo truly made a bad situation the worst they possibly could.

 

[GuardianE]

Would this patch unlock SWAGNETO before the PS3 bricks?

It bricks once you select him.

You mean a SFIV or SFxT patch. Capcom wouldn't patch Mahvel even if the game were on it's deathbed lol

That's the beauty behind the troll. People would be too excited to even check it.

 

[IMGF]

so, how many are not gonna buy SSB4 after this incident?

I'm not buying any Nintendo product, period.

 

[Starfish Hero]

I donated, and I don't regret it at all, I feel sorry for the people who actually were practicing, planning rides and purchasing plane tickets to go across the world just to compete only for this to happen and crush everything.

Nintendo truly made a bad situation the worst they possibly could.

The game is still there, only the stream isn't.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Fighting is Magic no longer existing in its original form...☑
Melee not getting DAT STREAM TIME because Ninty said HELL NAW...☑
Skuillgirls continuing to get screwed hardcore...☑

EVO 2013 is 3 up right now. This can get so much more interesting before Friday.

It's like the donation drive never finished!

 

[Darryl]

They laugh because there is little chance this will change. Nintendo isnt exactly a known for their community outreach or support. All you can do is spam twitter and facebook.

And frankly, Nintendo deserves to be laughed at. Its just the latest in a string of stupid decisions regarding their fanbase.

nintendo was well known for being great to the community - one of the best - up until recently.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

so, how many are not gonna buy SSB4 after this incident?

I can put that money toward the PS4 fund

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

While we're calling that out, I'd like to point out that the NFL should stream their games on YouTube as well. I hate going to the fucking bar to catch Bears games.Same with Game of Thrones while we're at it. I hate HBO Go and don't want to use it, that shit should be streamed on YouTube.

This is fucking nuts because not only is it a ludicrous comparison but who wants their shit streamed on Youtube?

 

[Jotamide]

The game is still there, only the stream isn't.

It's like being a circus performer without a crowd.

 

[Scum]

Hopefully there's a reversal of this pretty stupid decision quickly.

I do think the age here has a play in how things turn out but these are not common old geezers. These guys are incredibly smart people, probably geniuses even, so how they could be so close minded for some things is beyond me.

I'm not disregarding their talent one bit. But they are all at the age where the should be on their pensions and nurturing their replacements to take over.

He sould be restricted to only directing his own projects. He should not be involved in anything business related or games he has no relation too (paper mario$

I was so happy to hear him say he wanted to move onto having a team of his own and making IPs again. It needs to happen soon.

Fair enough

Some old mofos up in here.

Thanks for trying, Ravi. I hope people get this through this thick skulls already.

lol. Yeah.

Sounds about right. Nintendo needs fresh management blood. People that aren't stuck in the 90's.

Miyamoto should move on from the Board and Iwata should stamp his foot down and give the others their pension. Get some thirty to forty somethings in there.

 

[Kokonoe]

The game is still there, only the stream isn't.

And that has what do with anything? They stopped a tournament that people were preparing and planning for, I am fully darn aware that the game still exists.

 

[Barrel Cannon]

Isn't this a bit of a leap? The money still goes to charity regardless of whether Smash is streamed or not, right?

The money still goes and I'm happy for that. But the way I see it, they don't want to support the smash community or breast cancer research. If they wanted to at least support the breast cancer research they should have and could have made a statement on that. If this is purely about protecting their IP I can respect that but they should have done this a totally different way.

 

[Starfish Hero]

While we're calling that out, I'd like to point out that the NFL should stream their games on YouTube as well. I hate going to the fucking bar to catch Bears games.Same with Game of Thrones while we're at it. I hate HBO Go and don't want to use it, that shit should be streamed on YouTube.

Fuck the Bears btw

 

[daxgame]

0.

Seriously, Nintendo fans are the sheepiest of the sheep. Sad but true.

Not true, not in this case. Again, usually I'd be 100% with you. But with Melee things are quite different.
I mean, that's how much some of them love Brawl... I could see many melee players - which btw aren't "a vocal minority at all... [ dat 90k raised] not buying the next game at all in response to this.

 

[phosphor112]

Lmfao.

 

[Leetirl]

Can they stream Nintendo games at Da Beech?

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

Man, Nintendo have been a roll, haven't they?

 

[Starfish Hero]

And that has what do with anything? They stopped a tournament that people were preparing and planning for, I am fully darn aware that the game still exists.

No, the game is still at EVO. They did not stop the tournament. Only the stream.

 

[impact]

I can put that money toward the PS4 fund

Where you can stream your own games! Crazy how different these two competing companies are while both being Japanese. This kind of shit makes me really appreciate Sony's executives and how they embrace technology rather than running away from it.

 

[udivision]

And that has what do with anything? They stopped a tournament that people were preparing and planning for, I am fully darn aware that the game still exists.

They didn't stop the tournament, they stopped us from watching it.